5 shot dead at a homeless camp.

[undergroundpanther]

LONG BEACH, Calif. - Police say five homeless people were found shot to death in a makeshift camp near some Los Angeles-area freeway ramps.

Long Beach police say they responded to an anonymous call Sunday morning. They found the bodies of five adults in a brush-filled area between some commercial buildings and a freeway interchange.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27506878/


FUCKING CLASSIST ASSHOLES,FUCK these murdering pieces of shit.I wish there were more people willing to DEFEND homeless camps from the assholes like these murdering scumbags.I myself would take delight in ramming my fist full of spikes down the nasty throat of any homeless/poverty bashers,I see..I hate homeless/poverty bashing with a fire that never stops!!
They want a class war? ,I'll give them a war alright a world of pain.I will hand these shit heads their pathetic asses to them if I see anyone fucking with the poor/homeless where I am..Please if you know of homeless camps or shelters in your area and are able to,please watch out for their safety and be ready to defend them from attackers.
Do whatever it takes to stop the fuckers from hurting more homeless people.Things are getting so ugly now for those in need,they need protection.

[Connonym]

1. What the fuck is wrong with people ?

Do we have a new kind of hate crime here or a serial killer (s?) targeting the most helpless among us?

[Naturyl]

6. New kind of hate crime, I think.

It seems to me that the worst of our society are becoming increasingly prone to taking out their hateful frustrations on the economically disadvantaged.

It's wrong and evil, but also a natural result of a culture that defines "success" and "worth" in strictly financial terms.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

2. May the murderer be brought to justice swiftly.

[az chela]

3. I live in a small town in Arizona and several years ago

a bunch of the cops here went to the homeless peoples camp and tore them apart and peed on all their belongings.I was so furious I wrote a letter about it in the paper and several people jumped all over me for defending the homeless.How sick is that??
I always give anyone that i see that is homeless money to at least to go have a hot meal.Any of us could lose a job or get sick and lose our home and we would be on the streets.Why cant people realize that they could be one step away from having nothing??

[bumblebee1]

4. They don't want to even think it could happen to them.

It could also happen to someone they know and care about.

[RedCappedBandit]

5. People love to hate

This is the result of a violent culture.
Everywhere around us is violence. We BREED violence.

The government kills people it deems necessary; why do we expect the populace to act any different?

[undergroundpanther]

11. I do hate

But my hate has precise targets and reasons.

I care.
Not indiscriminately however.

I hate the fucker(s) that shot those people.
I hate republicans who think torture is OK
I hate trans/GBLT bashers
I hate racists, misogynists,and fat bashers.
I hate rapists and pedophiles.
I hate greedy people.
I hate control freaks.
I hate fundies.
I hate bullies
I hate psychopaths ,authoritarians and narcissists.

I hate the people who cause others to suffer just because they can and think they can get away with it,and they think they are entitled to abuse,manipulate and destroy others for they have no conscience and I get disgusted by those enable those with no conscience.
I get frustrated with bystanders too.

[RedCappedBandit]

13. Your hatred will solve nothing

While understandable and almost justifiable, your hatred is no different. Hatred breeds hatred just as violence breeds violence. When we, as a species, can overcome these primitive emotions and lifestyles, we can move towards a peaceful world.

(I agree with you, this ^ is just the idealist in me talking)

[undergroundpanther]

19. Idealistic misplaced"love"

Has failed to end violence too.


Many supposedly"enlightened" people have spread the same types of messages to love what wants your suffering,and demise.So far there has been little change in the violence levels in this world.Kids still get abused,by the predatory people that take advantage of people that refuse discern a bad character from a decent person when they care.

When your enemy has no scruples, your own scruples become another weapon in his hand.
Any callous bully asshole with no scruples will have no shame skewering you to death despite those lofty ideals.

Look,You do not understand what I am saying here. Pacifism enables violence just as much as violence does. By NOT confronting those with no scruples and NOT attempting to make it cease by fighting back, you enable oppression and violence to continue.

This passively accepting of the psychopathic as if they had scruples is a mistake.And acting as if self defense and defense of others well being from predatory people is wrong if you raise your fist,in this way,Pacifism increases violence by an implied permission to the violent that there will be no consequences or resistance to the dominator's will to harm.. No battered persons passive appeasement and tolerance of of the batterers beatings ever stopped the beatings.They had to leave or fight back or even KILL the batterer to be freed of the slime..

That is reality.

It seems you wish more people to slip into your passive tolerance for intolerable things.If you really think passively getting yourself shot in the head by some psychopath or abusive bully asshole in the name of non-violence will do anything but make you another victim ,you are in fantasy land.


In India, supposedly the world's largest democracy, the leadership of the rapidly growing Dalit movement have nothing good to say about Mohandas K. Gandhi. To be honest, Gandhi is actually one of the most hated Indian leaders in the hierarchy of those considered enemies of India's Dalits or "untouchables" by the leadership of India's Dalits.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_603.shtml

Peace to a pacifist can never be achieved unless the rich and powerful are persuaded to voluntarily give up their power, wealth, prestige, and comforts, to be equal with everyone else. They won't do that because they do not have to care about anyone else.

Peace will not happen until the vast majority are forced to violently take away the rulers' powers and wealth and limit how much one can have/control.

Pacifists like to pretend it must be voluntary on the part of the capitalists bullies and oppressors.
That idea is neither realistic or moral. It means be complicit in domination and exploitation.

When your enemy has no scruples, your own scruples become another weapon in his hand.
And that,Is the BIG failure Pacifists do not want to look at.
Moral relativism is not moral or relevant in a world such as this.

I'll knock the living shit out of anyone I see hitting or abusing a homeless person or poor person or child,GBLT,non-white or woman..I will step up and become the boundary line, the force of Karma,or whatever in this predatory world because in this world there is no refuge from the violent and callous if people do not stand up and defend the vulnerable.

I fight and hate predatory abusers.I denounce beliefs and ideas that excuse,rationalise,enable,minimize or defend predatory abuse.

[RedCappedBandit]

28. I think it's you who don't understand what I'm saying

I never said I was a pacifist, nor have I ever claimed to "love" the assholes like those in the OP. And you can damn well bet that I'd never stand by while somebody attacks me or anybody else, for that matter.
The fact of the matter is, retaliating against violence with violence only perpetuates the problem.
The only way to effectively minimize the amount of violent lunatics who would even think about hurting somebody just for being homeless is by preventing them from developing into such people to begin with.
Education is key, IMO, whereas violence is just a temporary response to a permanent problem.

[RedCappedBandit]

29. I think it's you who doesn't understand what I'm saying

I never said I was a pacifist, nor have I ever claimed to "love" the assholes like those in the OP. And you can damn well bet that I'd never stand by while somebody attacks me or anybody else, for that matter.
The fact of the matter is, retaliating against violence with violence only perpetuates the problem.
The only way to effectively minimize the amount of violent lunatics who would even think about hurting somebody just for being homeless is by preventing them from developing into such people to begin with.
Education is key, IMO, whereas violence is just a temporary response to a permanent problem.

[eauclaireliberal]

31. Sounds like republican youth are back out getting their kicks

Really, I have to see any of these RW wussies take what they dish out. Cowards.

[Swamp Rat]

7. aweful! n/t

:(

[undergroundpanther]

12. Hey Swamp

Howyadoin?

Oh BTW,I Liked your repugslugs!(from another thread!)

[Naturyl]

8. When I was homeless years ago

We left a camp just 3 days before it was completely destroyed by vandals. Had we been there, who knows what might have happened to us.

[Random_Australian]

9. Wow, evil. n/t

[undergroundpanther]

10. Thank you for calling evil~evil.

Some people refuse to do that.It annoys the crap out of me.

[Sanctified]

14. Sounds like a drug deal gone bad. n/t

[tkmorris]

15. You may be the most uninformed person I have ever seen here

Violence against homeless people rarely has anything whatever to do with "drug deals gone bad". It more has to do with violent assholes who have graduated from torturing stray dogs to the next big thrill. They believe that no one will hold them accountable and all to often they are right.

Drug deal gone bad..... fuckity fucking fuck.

[Sanctified]

17. 5 adults shot to death.

If this was random violence I highly doubt there would be 5 dead adults.

[tkmorris]

18. People living at a homeless camp...

Rarely engage in drug deals significant enough for anyone to get shot over. Drug dealers aren't stupid, in fact they exist in a highly Darwinian world; the dumb get busted and/or dead quick. It's fair to say that homeless people occasionally scrape up enough to buy drugs sure, but no drug dealer murders 5 people over a dime bag or a rock of crack. That's the funny thing about homeless people, there is almost NEVER a reason to murder one, they just don't make that kind of impact on anyone. Violence against them is generally just pointless anger being directed at a target no one cares enough about to defend.

[Sanctified]

20. At least 1 of the victims was not homeless.

And there is no information indicating that the other 4 were homeless.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-11-02-homeless_N.htm?csp=34

[undergroundpanther]

25. So?

One lady who liked to hang out was a victim,along the others who were in a very hidden tent city,Why was it so hidden? Maybe because of VIOLENCE and police harassment that was maybe happening? I think most likely the victims were either homeless themselves,friends of the people there or helping the people in the tent city survive. I think a crime such as this looks bad for the city so people in positions of privilege will spin things to save face..
So expect stories to twist and turn.

[file83]

16. The cowardice of preying on 5 defenseless people is pathetic...

...with a gun no less. The person(s) that did this are the down there at the bottom of the barrel, right there with pedophiles & rapists.

Someone this cowardly is more than likely stupid enough to have made a mistake somewhere. A good detective will find the clue that leads them to the scumbag and then justice will be served.

Didn't someone burn a homeless person recently? WTF with this epidemic of homeless murders?!?

[undergroundpanther]

21. The homeless are scapegoated everywhere

A town wants to build a shelter,every middle class fuck will be out there waving that Nimby flag for the"children" and "property values".


Homeless people have FEW defenders,few willing to help,the social services to help have been de-funded to give welfare to poor widdle billionaires.

I remember some anti-racist skinheads that used to be around called Sharp.(Skinheads Against Racial Predjudice)I dunno if they still exist.The Sharps kept towns racist free, by kicking racist ass.They kept out white power,church of the creator ,gay bashers and other hate thugs/orgs..

I wonder if any young people out there who like fighting would ever consider doing defense of the homeless and poor? Do what Sharps did , beat the shit out of the poor bashers,and people that seek to harm homeless people,and keep them unwelcomed.

Because if you have to sleep in a tent or under an overpass,and you are homeless you are vulnerable and life is not being kind at all.And right now killing homeless seems to be a rising popular"sport" among some assholes.

I think there needs to be a defense network like the Sharps were ,made up of young people, who like to fight,organized as a presence to stop the homeless killers and poor bashers before they kill again..By either busting them,or busting their sorry asses.

[undergroundpanther]

23. Epidemic? yeah there is.

Los Angeles, Cal. — Last year Florida and California were ranked the states with the most lethal and non-lethal attacks against homeless people. California was cited as having 22, but Maria Foscarinis, the executive director of the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty, believes the number is actually much higher because most incidents are never reported. She attributes this to the fact that homeless people are outside and can be attacked by anyone, for any reason, as well as the increasingly punitive action of cities against the homeless. In classes protected by hate-crime legislation, 0.1 percent of attacks result in death, while over 25 percent of attacks against the homeless result in death. Because of this, there is a movement to have the homeless covered by hate-crime legislation; two bills are being considered by the House of Representatives. Advocates are meanwhile working for other solutions, but believe hate crime legislation will send the message that the lives of the homeless are as valuable as the lives of anyone else. (Alison Stateman, Time with CNN, Oct. 22, 2008)
http://streetvibes.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/violence-against-the-homeless-a-hate-crime/

Hate Crimes & Violence Against Homeless People Increasing

Washington D.C. - For the past six years (1999-2004), the National Coalition for the Homeless (NCH) has tracked and reported on a disturbing increase in crimes targeting homeless people. These violent attacks on homeless people, one of our most vulnerable populations, result in injury and in many cases death.

The well-documented affordable housing crisis is not the only crisis to affect the millions of people who are homeless every year. There is also an increasing pattern of civil rights abuses and violence directed at the homeless population. Homelessness is no longer simply an issue of the right to affordable housing but a matter of life and death. As the danger of living without a home increases, the lack of federal housing resources as well as the absence of the political will to end homelessness becomes increasingly more shameful.

In October of 2004, three Milwaukee teens murdered a homeless man at his forest campsite. The teens hit 49-year-old Rex Baum, with rocks, a flashlight, and a pipe, before smearing feces on his face and covering his body with leaves and plastic.
In August of 2004, Curtis Gordon Adams, 33, beat and stabbed a disabled homeless man to death and then licked the blood from his fingers on a Denver sidewalk.

More recently, on May 28th 2005, in Holly Hill, Florida, 53-year-old Michael Roberts was beaten and punched to death with sticks and logs by a group of teenagers who admitted to beating the man just for fun, to have something to do. The autopsy report indicates that Roberts died of blunt-force trauma to the head and body, his ribs were broken, his skull was fractured, and his legs were badly injured. Defensive wounds were found on his hands. The boys returned several times to make sure the job was done.
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/hatecrimes/pressrelease.html

In Denver, five were pummeled to death and two more beheaded. In Richmond, Va., one was beaten, stabbed and beheaded, his head then carried nearly a mile and placed for display on a footbridge. In Seattle, one was stabbed 18 times, another beaten bloody and then stabbed.

There were others. One in Dallas, pelted with bullets from a 12-gauge shotgun for rummaging through trash. One in Chico, Calif., beaten to death for begging for spare change. Three in Portland, Ore., strangled for who knows what.

They were all homeless people killed over the last year. And these were just the killings that made the news. Exactly how many homeless people have been victims of savage attacks is unknown. Police departments do not tabulate crimes against homeless people, and in many cases, such as several beatings that have frightened the large homeless population here, those who survive attacks often do not report them.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D01E4DF1539F930A15751C1A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Why don't police TABULATE these often brutal and sick crimes??

Because the homeless are scapegoats the lepers any insecure person can hate to feel superior to.The serve a function in this terrible class system.The angry frustrated teen or worker can't hit his bully boss so he kicks the homeless,and too often nobody does shit about it.

Factors ranging from local laws that criminalize homelessness to a current fad for “bum-bashing” videos “send a message to society that homeless people are not human do not deserve respect”
http://streetroots.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/attacks-against-homeless-nationwide-on-the-rise/
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/faces/
Fun??!!?WTF!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/28/60minutes/main2049967.shtml

http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/crimreport/trends.html

[TheKentuckian]

22. The hate is counter productive but recognizing threats and dealing with them appropriately is an ent

The strong should protect the weak and certainly not prey on them. The poor and ten folds the homeless, are often a big target for bullies to kick the crap out of. Now its not enough to kick folks when they're down. Now they want the "surplus population" to stay down when the fncy strikes them.

[undergroundpanther]

24. And they will be forced down

Until someone stands up and defends them with more than words.
I do not tolerate passive appeasement when dealing with an abuser with no scruples.Sometimes you have to bloody the bullies nose to enforce the boundary,that their behavior is not OK. Talk is cheap. Pacifism only works(sometimes),It fails if the person you want to stop being violent has no conscience or integrity.
So make life for the privileged uncomfortable. REALLY uncomfortable. They would do the same for you, if you were homeless.


The theory goes like this: the privileged convince themselves they deserve more than others due to superiority, and thus to balance that, they have to believe that the poor deserve their fate due to inferiority. But a simple logic test shows that the poor are abused with high rents and the profits of their labors skimmed for the privileged to have more than they deserve or worked for. So it is not that the poor work less, they work more. It is not that the privileged work more, so deserve more. They work less, then claim they deserve more. This twisted logic depends on twisted action to back it. The dehumanization of homeless people and poor folks is based on the middle class needing to justify its excesses that it does not deserve or earn. It steals that wealth and privilege, from the poor.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/309245.shtml

The scapegoating of homeless people is pervasive.So violence against homeless people isn't even tabulated by the cops.
So if the cops abuse them and don't care who will fight for them against the violence,in a way that STOPS the Violence?? Talk is cheap.Action changes things.And acting against the violent and the privileged is what changes things.When the comfortable are as outraged as the suffering are then things change.So Make the comfortable and violent predators miserable.

[AmyCamus]

26. Where in your link does it say "homeless/poverty bashing"?

The vid link even says: "detectives have not named a motive or suspect".
Do you have more info regarding your claim?

[AmyCamus]

32. Still waiting for an answer from you

....

[Marrah_G]

27. No one knows what happened yet.

There could have been any number of motives behind the deaths.

The fact that we have homeless camps is a horrible thing.

Perhaps someday we will have a government who thinks ( for example) a couple hundred people sleeping on the street within a mile of the White House in the winter is a BAD FUCKING THING.

[cyberpj]

30. Chances are, there was a vet among the murdered - 23% of homeless are vets:

Veteran Specific Highlights:
23% of homeless population are veterans
33% of male homeless population are veterans
47% Vietnam Era
17% post Vietnam
15% pre Vietnam
67% served three or more years
33% stationed in war zone
25% have used VA Homeless Services
85% completed high school/GED compared to 56% of non-veterans
89% received Honorable Discharge
79% reside in central cities
16% reside in suburban areas
5% reside in rural areas
76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans
Service needs:
45% help finding job
37% finding housing

http://www.nchv.org/about.cfm