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Tue Nov-04-08 09:15 AM
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Who of us old hippies would have thought that our first black President would be in our lifetimes |
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I know, I know, I'm jumping the gun but...
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:17 AM
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2. It`s really something, isn`t it? |
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:20 AM
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Man o man and it feels so damn good.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:18 AM
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3. I have been thinking the same thing |
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and tears form. I cannot wait to take my children to the polls after school, with video in hand.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:19 AM
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4. Old hippie checkin' in here: I've always been optimistic about us. |
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Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 09:20 AM by patrice
I can remember when the idea of an Obama candidacy was first floated here at the DU and I thought "Yeah, let's have this Race thing out!! On balance it will be good for the U.S." I don't remember thinking about whether he would win or not, because I hadn't heard his message.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:21 AM
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6. It never even was mentioned as a possibility -- just the possibility of |
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a woman becoming President. The thought of a black guy achieiving that position never entered our minds, it was so far outside what was possible back then. I am so grateful we're alive to witness this, and help make it a reality!
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:21 AM
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7. To be completely honest I would have thought it would have happened much earlier |
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I would have thought we would have had both a Woman and a Black by this time. I felt we changed the world but looking back it was only the moment..Nothing really changed and in fact because of some excesses we suffered a major backlash with the Reagan revolution and America suffered greatly..Maybe now??????
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:24 AM
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14. Hey, things cycle back. We created this backlash and now we can make a comeback. n/t |
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:45 AM
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27. I think it would have if we didn't have to live through a Reagan presidency |
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that set the pulse of moral decency back at least a century.
After that, I think it would have been longer IF Katrina wasn't allowed to happen.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:52 AM
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32. that's a good way to put it: |
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"set the pulse of moral decency back at least a century"
yep. yepyep
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:03 AM
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46. Nothing really changed????? |
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Roe v. Wade Single women can now get a loan without their husband's or father's signature. Civil Rights Act Voting Rights Act Equal pay for equal work
Those are just off the top of my head. Nothing changed?????? Oy vey!
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:59 AM
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We don't really have equal pay yet. I'm pretty sure the civil rights act predated the hippy movement. Not sure about the voting rights act, but that may have come sooner, too.
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Tue Nov-04-08 12:18 PM
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against gender (or any other criteria) for people doing the same job. THAT was a product of the women's movement which started in the late 19th century, was continued in the early 20th century and picked back up in the 1960's and 1970's. Civil Rights Act was enacted in 1964 and was as a direct result of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950's and 1960's. The hippies were VERY MUCH involved in the Civil Rights movement. Voting Rights was enacted also in 1964 and was a companion to the Civil Rights Act. You know, for someone who claims we never did anything, you sure as hell seem to be ignorant about RECENT history.
There was a time IN MY LIFETIME that women were denied credit, the right to divorce, denied housing without a husband, denied access to birth control pills, denied abortions and denied jobs and even the opportunity for jobs. That is in my lifetime. We spent YEARS as activists trying to achieve social changes that had been festering in this country for a couple hundred years. Hell, we're STILL HERE! We're voting for Obama. Voting and working against the hated Proposition 8. At some point, you may recognize our contribution . . . Or not, I don't really care. YOU don't matter because history will recognize our contribution. Hell, it already has.
Now, go read a history book and peace out little dude/dudette.
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Tue Nov-04-08 01:41 PM
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I'm not the one who needs to peace out. And I've read plenty of history books and personally remember the issues of credit. I do believe the summer of love was in 1967. Woodstock was in 1969.
I had to go to Japan in 1967 for an abortion, so I know a little about that, too.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:22 AM
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8. It will take me a while to get my head around that |
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I'm still dealing with the idea that for the first time in my life, the president will be YOUNGER than me.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:53 AM
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yeah, i'm there too, but i love it. he should have a long healthy two terms and still have time to do a lot of good before he's done.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:22 AM
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9. This 60 year old has renewed hope today |
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Because there's no way that Obama would possibly lose except for an out and out theft like the last two elections. The fact is, he will win because most Americans are NOT RACISTS! That's something to celebrate. Another myth bites the dust.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:22 AM
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10. Until recently, I'd been thinking that it's the end of the world... |
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Now--Kali Yuga or no Kali Yuga--I am more hopeful.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:23 AM
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Gawd, we have come a long way. And six months ago I thought America would never elect a black man. I may America an apology.
Madokie.... good to see ya.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:24 AM
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I never thought I would see this day. I find tears running down my face at the smallest things. I see a long day of tears, tears of joy and hope.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:54 AM
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38. i'm the same damn way! |
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been blubbering since yesterday :cry::cry::cry::cry:
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Tue Nov-04-08 12:45 PM
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82. I should have bought stock in tissues |
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Everytime I check out DU, something else starts the tears flowing again. I am probably going to spend the evening alone but if this keeps up I am going to have to find a place to be with others to share all these emotions.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:24 AM
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13. When I think about it my heart races. |
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In all honesty, I thought it would have happened long before now at one time in my life. Then along came the Reaganites and pushed us back at least a decade. But here it is!! I hope I live to see a woman in office.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:26 AM
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But I didn't think I would ever see it. I am holding my breath for the rest of the day, but beaming with pride.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:50 AM
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Same here. We tried to explain to our kids what we witnessed |
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when we were in school and it wasn't THAT long ago! Racism is alive and well, but my kids don't see what we did at their age.
I have those moments where I can hardly believe it took so long for this. But mainly I'm excited!
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:28 AM
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16. I literally feel my heart swell and my breath catching in my throat |
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When it dawns on me that what's happening is so momentous in our history. As much as I hated the last dozen years maybe it was worth it if it brought out the best in us.
The implications of what we're doing today are enormous!
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:29 AM
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17. I had my hopes that MLK would have been, but we know how that ended. |
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Then I had hopes of Jesse Jackson, but that didn't pan out. Todays America is nothing like the america I grew up in, in one major way, the racists of the past have pretty much died off and we have had 3 generations where they haven't experinced the White only signs. They didn't experince the stigma of inter-racial dating nor the laws passed making it a crime for inter-racial dating and marriage.
White kids today are more accepting of the blacks, they dress alike, they hang out together, listen to the same music. In my youth if you tried any of that you were taken out behind the wood shed. Maybe America had to go through these last 30 years to get where we are today, on the eve of history. To be honest this is a land mark as great or greater then the election of a Catholic to the white house.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:33 AM
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18. But MLK opened the door. Without |
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him there was no courage. I don't know if I could have foreseen this day or not. I just will revel in it.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:38 AM
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19. In 1970, I expected it to happen. |
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By 85 I thought I would not live to see it. The conservative backlash of the 80s just blew me away - the guy who ran on 'optimism' destroyed all my optimism with his red-baiting, racial politics and war mongering.
I've been living in fairly consistent state of depression for the 25 years.
But I am beginning to think I might see it happen after all - if I am very careful for the next 3 months.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:38 AM
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20. I didn't. And I get slammed for saying it, but one of the reasons I am voting for Obama |
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is that very reason.
"So ... you'd also vote for Alan Keyes or Condi Rice for that same reason, you racist?"
My answer: "No. And stop being stupid. You know damned well what I mean."
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:39 AM
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But I didn't think we'd see a president from the south, either.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:42 AM
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23. LBJ and Jimmy Carter were both Southerners.. n/t |
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Tue Nov-04-08 06:57 PM
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88. Uh...Yes, I KNEW that. |
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Maybe you misread my post? :shrug:
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:41 AM
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22. KnR Nearly 70.....not I.....never thought it would be so soon. |
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:43 AM
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24. Our reward for the past 40 years |
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I never thought I'd live to see today. I'm 53 and expect to live on for many years but just didn't think what we're seeing take place was possible.
Today is certainly a day of reflection, remembering the many horrors of the past 40+ years. The assassinations, Nixon and his manipulation of the war for political gain, Agnew, "America love it or leave it", "My country right or wrong", "Kill the hippies", the '68 convention, "Nattering nabobs of negativism", the silent majority, McGovern, "Come Home America" and his crash and burn campaign. The destruction of Jimmy Carter by the Democratic Party, Reagan and his trickle-down failure which took 30+ years to play out. The Bushes, Clinton and his many mistakes, stolen elections, politics of division and hate. And so much more.
Perhaps today will mark an end of an era and the beginning of a new chapter. As Barack says, it won't be easy but for the first time in a long time, I have hope.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:44 AM
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25. I have been waiting for this day since Shirley Chisholm ran |
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I guess that tells you how old I am and how long I've been watching politics.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:56 AM
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Last evening I was saying to my wife that it feels good in knowing that 8 years ago I was spot on when it came to dick and w. I couldn't look at or listen to either of them until I found this place. I was so pissed. Today I am one happy dude.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:20 AM
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On Dec. 12, 2000 my husband and I logged onto the RNC website to send a message to Bush. We told him that we thought he was nothing more than an arrogant slacker and he would never be our president. We said some other things, some of which I won't sully the pages of DU with, then we signed our real names, gave our address, our phone number and our e-mail addresses. Ever since that day I have been working even harder to get him out of office. We refused to live in fear and now, today, I'm beginning to remember how to breathe and be proud of my country again.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:05 AM
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47. Shirley Chisolm was 40 years ahead of her time. |
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I miss her, Ann Richards and Molly Ivins SO MUCH.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:26 AM
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51. Shirley, Ann, Molly and so many countless other women over the years |
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Have helped inspire younger women like me. I hope that I've helped inspire the generations that have come after me to stand up and speak out. Because of them I am a better person, an informed voter and I have never given up on the dream that is America.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:39 AM
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54. Shirley Chisholm stands tall among the public figures making an Obama possible. |
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I watched a film biography of Chisholm, and she was an amazing woman. Made people sit up and listen and made no bones about it.
Since we couldn't have Barbara Jordan for president, with her limitless faith in the Constitution, I'm perfectly willing to take somebody who taught Constitutional Law for ten years. Obama will never say he was sworn in "to protect the American people" and he won't send his Veep "to run the Senate."
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Tue Nov-04-08 02:16 PM
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Don't forget Bella Abzug.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:45 AM
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26. I had always pictured that President as 100% black and descended from American slaves |
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We have to take what we can get.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:48 AM
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28. And 1/2 Irish can't hurt either! |
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:50 AM
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29. I don't even think about Obama's race. |
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His mother was white for whatever that's worth.
What I love about Obama is his inclusiveness. He plays to what we all have in common. A sharp contrast to the Republican's "We are for real Americans".
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:51 AM
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30. i remember rooting for |
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Shirley Chisholm! lol
i have to say i didn't expect but am very happy to be witnessing it.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:52 AM
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31. Not me. Not after the last 8 years. |
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But then, the 50's ushered in 60's and we changed the world back then so again, the time is now.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:53 AM
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Deja Vu. Today is a historic day.
Those rat bastards stole it from us. Now we take it back.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:53 AM
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35. I never really thought about it... |
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I am still in awe over all this. He is polished, smart, inspiring, a real leader and true role model. I lived through the 60's and can tell you they were turbulent times. However, we made our voices heard and here we are. I have never been so proud to vote as I did when I casted mine for Obama. Very proud indeed. History is being made folks and we all participated. :patriot:
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:13 AM
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67. And I would like to think we've been a part of making it happen too |
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Without us keyboard jockeys getting the message out we wouldn't be here now.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:54 AM
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36. I remember as a teenager reading a book "The Man." |
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It was really meant to be science fiction. It was about the first black president. The president, vice-president, speaker of the house and other officials were killed in a plane crash and he was the next in line. Well, it's not science fiction any more.
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37. I expected it would happen in my lifetime. Just not this soon. |
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:54 AM
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39. Not me. And I've never been so thrilled to be wrong! |
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I've been bursting into tears several times a day and that's not like me at all! But I feel overwhelmed by the evidence we as a people are better than I thought we were.
In the end for me, it had nothing to do with race and was all about race. I felt it was important to vote for the person who could do the best job, but if all other things would be equal, I would vote for Obama because he was black. But all other things never approached equal - he was the better candidate, period. Still, in a few minutes, the husband will be home and we'll go to vote and I will be thrilled to help make history.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:56 AM
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41. We have black generals, admirals, head coaches in the NFL, Secs of State, Chair of the JCS... |
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and have you noticed that investment firms often use black male spokesmen?
Morgan Freeman has portrayed a president in the movies.
Women still have a long way to go. Women aren't even trusted to host a talk show or a game show.
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:57 AM
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42. I voted for the best plan and person to lead us..And I also got to vote |
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someone from my faith body. To be honest with you, the fact he was a UCC really made me happy. I love my church. I am human after all. I can't help it, I identify with Barack and Michelle because we are UCC's. But in the end, it was about his ideas and policies.
He is the best person for the times.. bar none
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Tue Nov-04-08 09:59 AM
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43. Never in a million and 55 years. |
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Obama transends that for most, he's just the most qualified person available to take over right now. What a great day in American history.
I do hope a positive Obama administration lays a number of stereotypes aside, and allows all but the most racially bigoted stubborn to work together for a better country.... Finally and forever.
For those who think the neo-right will rise again: fuck you.
Thank You Barack Obama.
(I actually stopped and thought about the fact that I lived to see this day last night before I went to bed, though)
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:00 AM
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44. Way back when, I knew. |
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The last 30 years made me doubt that belief but I'm glad the idealism of my youth has come to pass. 'Course, this is just the beginning. . .
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:01 AM
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45. As a child of the 60's I can tell you ... |
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that it didn't seem possible back then, but that was over 40 years ago.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:20 AM
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48. This jungle remnant of the hippie counterculture is a closet optimist... |
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Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 10:21 AM by The Village Idiot
After Apollo 11, and then with the resignation of Tricky Dick, it seemed like anything should be possible. But, as 1968 grew more distant in the rear view mirror, hope became illusory. No, I didn't think I'd live to see it (and I almost didn't). But then, I've come to an understanding about black swans. No one anticipated the internet, either. Old as I've grown, I am learning to expect the unforeseen.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:33 AM
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52. You can thank the Internet and YouTube |
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When Obama wins, kiss you computer. If we were still stuck in the days when corporate propaganda was all we got, there would be no Barack Obama candidacy, much less a presidency.
It was our ability to connect with like-minded individuals all over the country that allowed us to realize how many of us there really are and to fight the lies.
Ten years ago, candidates could tailor their message to the local audience. They could play racist to the racists, religious whacko to the religious whackos, and then clean up their act for more mainstream audiences. But now, everything is on YouTube in 20 minutes and is seen all over the world hundreds of thousands of times. They can't hide.
How many people would have known about the Sarah Palin radio prank if we didn't have the Internet? Just a handful.
How would we have known -- all over the country -- that Obama was speaking to 100,000 people, while McCain was speaking to fewer than 10,000.
When the fascists claimed that Palin supporters weren't violent racists, we had it on YouTube. We had them on tape.
Yes, Obama was a great candidate with a great message. But, there are a lot of great people with great messages who just get stuffed by the corporate media. The Internet made all the difference.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:36 AM
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53. I didn't wear my ponytail to vote this AM I wore my old headband. |
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Felt good and the pubbies looked at me like I was from outer space!(kind of like they did in the 60s)
I though it would do them good to jarr their heads a little.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:39 AM
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55. So many things I never thought I'd see |
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1. My NE Patriots winning three (3!!!) Superbowls
2. My state (Mass) having its first black governor
3. A man poised on the edge of History to become the first black POTUS
When I was a child and we read our History books, I would wonder how people felt who were old enough to have lived through some of what I was just learning
Now I know
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:42 AM
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56. I would have, in the early 60's our High School Class President was a great young black man. |
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Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 10:46 AM by 1776Forever
His name was Barry King (most be something about a guy named Barry, LOL) - It was in Delaware, Ohio at the Willis High School. So yes, I think we "hippies" were always ahead of the times - we believed it was the man and not the race that mattered. Here is to my old class at Willis High School! Blessings!
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:55 AM
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57. Obama's BLACK!?!?!? Crap, next thing you'll be telling me Mccain was a POW or something. |
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:21 AM
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69. Hell ... and I just thought that was a Hawaiian tan. (I get darker than that. Wanna compare?) |
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Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 11:22 AM by TahitiNut
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:57 AM
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I was also getting scared that this country wouldn't come to its senses again before I died. I'm so glad both are happening in the same year.
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Tue Nov-04-08 10:57 AM
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Because he the chosen one... and will make history
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:02 AM
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Since Obama's speeches have always moved me to tears, I can't tell you which one specifically caused the watershed moment. My daughter and a few of her friends were here and I started blubbering and told them I never thought I would see it in my lifetime. They heard about the riots in my high school, my sorrow about the assassinations of the Kennedys and MLK. They heard about the hate toward interracial couples and this was the chance to redeem ourselves. Everyone knows how I feel about the hate being spewed from the Republicans and how prop 8 causes me to see red.
Today, we Americans, have the opportunity to not only make history but choose the best team to lead us out of this mess the repukes and pirates got un into.
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:03 AM
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It happened suddenly, didn't it?
Millions of pea brained chicken necks are going to wake up to a whole new world tomorrow.
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:05 AM
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63. yes, i was speaking of this to my son the other day |
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and my grandson , who is 1, will have this in his own history. maybe when he is old enough to vote, we will see a black, handicapped, female lesbian become president. one thing i learned is that change takes time. people cling to their old ways out of fear. when i was young i wanted change to happen fast. now i know better. so i am delighted to see obama, not only as a candidate, but also as president.
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:07 AM
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64. I have always been hoping. |
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:08 AM
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65. IT'S TRIPPIN' ME OUT, MAN! |
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:16 AM
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68. I haven't heard that phrase in a while |
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I feel 20 years old all of a sudden
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:48 AM
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:09 AM
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66. We certainly have come a long way since Lincoln's time n/t |
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:23 AM
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70. Old hippie here and honestly, I could never understand why race should have been an issue to anyone. |
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Thank goodness we are finally evolving.
Peace and lots of flower power!
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:25 AM
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71. Never in a million years |
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This is so exciting. Makes me miss my dad. He would have so loved Barack Obama. :hi:
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:39 AM
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72. I'm sooo glad to pass the reigns away from our schizophrenic generation! GOBAMA! |
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:42 AM
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73. I hoped it would happen. |
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:48 AM
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74. Not me.....I didn't think it would EVER happne in my lifetime. |
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:51 AM
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77. I thought it was possible but not probable- But some may call me a dreamer |
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but I'm not the only one, I hope someday you will join us, and the world will live as one.
Never dreamed my dream would come true.
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:49 AM
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76. Never... Its FAR OUT MAN!! |
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Tue Nov-04-08 11:53 AM
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78. I had my doubts and thought it might come late in life |
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Later than 57, any way.
I also figured it would be s super candidate like Obama.
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Tue Nov-04-08 12:30 PM
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80. Even back then, I didn't believe I'd see it. |
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And look how idealistic we were.
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Tue Nov-04-08 12:41 PM
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81. Back in the 60s, I honestly . . . |
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. . . didn't think it would take this long. But once Raygun and came to power, that hope almost died.
I'm looking forward to the time when it will no longer be a novelty for African-Americans, women, etc., to be elected to the highest office in the land.
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Tue Nov-04-08 01:46 PM
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84. Not an old hippie, but I thought Colin Powell would have won in 2000 |
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Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 01:46 PM by depakid
if he had run.
Wouldn't have had to steal it, either.
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Tue Nov-04-08 01:54 PM
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85. I'm just 8 months older than Obama |
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I'll be excited to see someone my age as POTUS.
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Tue Nov-04-08 05:18 PM
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all it takes is a majority of voters to cast the same way. and it always begins with each voter voting one at a time. but yeah, to this old hippie tolerator, looks as if tomorrow's dawn will shine brightly on a whole new paradigm of unitedstates democracy. but just in case it goes awry, here's a story that helps explain what went wrong... http://labloga.blogspot.com/2008/11/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-you-might.htmlmvs
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