I'm So Sorry (to every married couple in California).

[last1standing]

I'm here in Michigan so I couldn't vote against prop. 8, myself, but I did make the calls and donate. Now it looks like the evangelicals and the LDS mafia have taken away your inalienable right to be an equal member of society and I'm sorry. There may have been more that I could have done and I did not do it. There may not have been more I could do but I'm still sorry that it wasn't enough.

Please know that I, and millions of other Americans, still consider you married. I know that isn't enough because a group of hateful, ignorant assholes have taken away your legitimacy in the eyes of the state, but I, and so many others, still support you and will do whatever we can to change this country so that you again feel you are a part of it.

Please, I know threads are dropping quickly right now, but please kick this one to express your support for everyone who has lost their equality tonight. Kick this for the love of anyone you know who has lost a little bit of their Constitutional freedom.

[Mojambo]

1. Is it passing?

:cry:

That sucks.

[amdezurik]

4. so far yes...

:banghead:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. We have it all now. We can DO something about these stupid-ass propositions!

Let's vow to fight against these anti-gay bigots once and for all!

[ContinentalOp]

3. Actually, the law would still consider them married too.

It's just that new couples couldn't be married. I don't think you can retroactively take away constitutional rights.

[snake in the grass]

74. As I understand it...

...that is true. Which is why I think Prop 8 will still have a problem in the long run because those who are married now, will remain married. That fact alone is unconstitutional as it demonstrates the inequality inherent in the bill. At some point the fundis will be defeated, although it saddens me that CA went for Obama but passed this piece of garbage.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

5. Kick.

I'm sorry some of my coreligionists felt threatened by you. I wish I could have done more.

[justiceischeap]

6. I'll kick for your graciousness and your help in trying to defeat Prop 8

Though I don't live in Cali either, usually as California goes, so goes the rest of the US. It's sad that people would essentially vote to take away rights that are already give under the California Constitution.

[crispini]

7. kick

:(

[RandomKoolzip]

8. I, too, am very sorry.

As Rachel Maddow pointed out, EVERYONE has a right to marry; this stupid law would make a right that already exists and does no appreciable harm to anyone ILLEGAL for a significant segment of the population - just because some other group thinks their imaginary sky-friend says it should be illegal.

Fuck these fucking homophobes. :grr: ALL humans deserve EXACTLY the same rights.

[Shanti Mama]

9. It's incomprehensible and unconscionable that this could happen

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. IT IS VERY CLOSE

a nail bitter in fact... check the LA Times website, or LBN

[Dogmudgeon]

11. It could be in the courts for YEARS

You don't just take a right away once it's been granted.

Chances are excellent it will be ruled unconstitutional within a year or two -- or dominate Sac'to for a decade or more.

--p!

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. mark my words, this is going all the way to the USSC

there is more... it will become another FEDERAL flash issue for YEARS... decades to come

[hfojvt]

37. an amendment can be ruled unconstitutional?

That's some sort of bizzaro world.

Then again the Bush administration sued Oregon for their right to die amendment.

[Dogmudgeon]

59. Yep -- The "Balance of Powers"

Since we have an adversarial legal system, ANY law can be challenged. Amendments are tougher to challenge, but it can be done.

The Constitution itself could, in theory, be challenged in a court of law. That's extremely unlikely, but the capability still exists.

California just bought itself a whole lot of trouble; and since the trend is toward greater inclusiveness and less political power for the religious right, this just may be the last hurrah of legal gay-bashing.

--p!

[Occulus]

69. ANY State's Constitution can be rendered Federally Unconstitutional

in whole (NOT bloody likely!), or in part.

I would say, Prop 8 is the "in part". I fully expect a ruling within the next four years requiring all states to accept, authorize, and recognize gay marriages, due to the full faith and credit clause.

This WILL go to the SCOTUS, and they WILL rule in favor of the Constitution. Not even a strict Constructionist can deny the right of marriage to a gay couple under federal law; in fact, I would expect a strict Constructionist to argue that if one state approves gay marriage, all states MUST ACCEPT gay marriages.

FUlL FAITH AND CREDIT, you know?

[catlady]

12. Thank you

I have some very beloved family members that are going to be very hurt if prop 8 passes. 20 years together in a life filled with love, loyalty and sharing everything, and yet they are not recognized as married.... It breaks my heart. I am so very very happy that Obama won tonight, but it is tinged with sadness that people in my life are possibly being denied their equal rights as equal citizens in this country. And for what?! What on earth do these people think is so wrong?? And who do they think is possibly at risk of being hurt by allowing people who want to marry get married?

Thank you again for your post, it means a lot to those of us who love people who are going to be hurt if it passes.

[motocicleta]

13. K n R

I wish I had something wise to say. In lieu of that, let me just say, for 100% certain sure, we will end up with equal rights for all humans. I hope it doesn't take much longer, but I am sure it will come.

[tom_paine]

14. I am sorry, too. People who love each other should be able to marry.

n/t

[bliss_eternal]

15. This is so sweet of you...

...but honestly, it's not over yet. I'm holding out hope that all the people that support equality got the vote out today!
There's still a ton of ballots to count. You should see all the boxes and boxes and boxes of ballots going into warehouses for hand counting. Amazing.

[last1standing]

19. I hope so much that you are right.

And I appreciate your optimism. There is nothing I'd like better tonight than to eat my own words.

:hug:

[bliss_eternal]

22. I refuse to give up.

This is a civil rights issue, nothing more or less. A lot of good people put their time (and money behind this). I can't give up hope that love will overcome hate. Last time I checked, it's more powerful. ;) :hug:

[last1standing]

29. Yes it is.

It is a civil rights issue and love is more powerful than hate. I have to believe both things.

tonight we have elected an African-American man as President of the United States of America, yet we have denied others their basic right to live as they see fit.

It shows that there is still much to do in this country to ensure that we ALL have our inalienable rights. We cannot rest on our laurels.

[bliss_eternal]

36. I know it's hard...

...but please try to wait for the final results, before we say what the outcome is.

I know it's difficult when things are coming in so miserably, but it's still close, and still a lot of precincts left to be counted.

Admittedly, there are a lot of hateful jerks that went out JUST to vote FOR this horrible prop and that is a shameful thing. But that doesn't mean they will prevail. The big cities haven't been counted, yet. Just too many paper ballots to get through. Hang in there.

:hug:

[hfojvt]

50. there now, that's the spirit!

Too much doom and gloom, and not enough hope.

[bliss_eternal]

52. Thank YOU!

People seem a bit too willing to throw in the towel, sadly. It's simply not over yet.

[Oregone]

17. Sucks...if you get married in Canada, does the state have to honor that?

Just curious. I was thinking of starting a international marriage business/program since I am ordained (come get married in Victoria!). I am beyond pissed and disappointed. Wow. Puts a damper on the evening.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

18. I heard that they can't take away the rights of the people that married while it was legal.

They got legally married and California can't break the legal contract.

[last1standing]

23. I don't know what the results of this disasterous vote are, yet.

I will say that if the state of California had issued me a license to marry (in other words, a contract), I would take the state for millions if they reneged on that.

It's something for EVERY resident of the state of California to consider.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. Someone said that they can't retroactively take away a legal marriage.

It was a female commentator on either CNN or on MSNBC.

[hfojvt]

20. it ain't over until it's over

so far, only about 30% of precincts reporting. Keep an eye on Truman.

edit: okay it is up to 47% of precincts, but still less than a 300,000 vote gap with about 6 million votes to count. I guess I am a little too optimistic to throw in the towel just yet. If it stays close, stay hopeful until the last vote is counted.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

24. Truman? nt

[hfojvt]

28. as in

"Dewey defeats Truman"

and if I don't see you later, good afternoon, good evening, and good night.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

30. Of course. Thanks.

I'm really sad about this one. I saw and participated in a lot of No on 8 visibility today, and in fact in my county it was resoundingly trounced.

Bleh.

[girl gone mad]

21. It's a sad day, but there is a bright side.

The vote will be much closer than last time, despite the record amounts of money outside religious groups spent. Attitudes are changing,however slowly.

[bliss_eternal]

25. Don't give up yet....

...ballots are still being counted.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory?view=8&tab=0&fnum=0

....speaking of outside religious groups--I was shocked to hear of money outside of CA, being brought in for this campaign, primarily to support this proposition. That makes me so angry (and sad).

[truedelphi]

31. And everytime that something this weird is on the ballot

All the RW crazies who usually stay home get out the vote. Then they go back into their hidey holes.

So it is not the normal voter that is doing this.

[JI7]

26. i'm disgusted

[bliss_eternal]

27. ****The big cities ARE NOT in yet*************

Think about it, West Hollywood, Santa Monica, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Castro, etc.

People, don't throw in the towel yet. It aint over...only 53% in.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

32. Where are you seeing that

On the LAT map, it looks like SF county is at 98% reported.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. But LA County is not

state wide they are up to 1\3

LA is usually late, as in VERY LATE, except for absentees, which go in early on

Remmeber, they have to drive the boxes from all over to the registrar... in some areas that might take a couple of hours in LA Traffic, and then they need to feed them into the machines

[OmahaBlueDog]

38. Contra Costa, Alameda, and LA Counties are only about 35% counted or less

as of 1:37 per CNN

[bliss_eternal]

43. Correct!

La County includes West Hollywood, Long Beach (I think), Santa Monica, Venice Beach, Hollywood...all diverse with large glbt populations.

It's not over.
Hang in there, everyone!

[bliss_eternal]

40. Look at the numbers....

...not the map (as the colors and all on the map, make it kind of misleading). Pay attention to the percentage of precincts stated as reported.

It's only at about 54% or 55% reported as of yet.

Hang in there!

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Been trying to inform folks all night long

:-)

[writes3000]

35. EXACTLY! I'm biting my nails but it's not over yet. I think we can win this!

[bliss_eternal]

41. Of course we can!

Are there a lot of bigots...hell yes, there are. But there are also a great many glbt people and their allies who went out in record numbers requesting paper ballots today.

So, let's wait and see--though, I gotta' say, It is a nail biter!

[Control-Z]

42. I just checked and it's 51 - 49 - Yes

but I can't get any info on percentage, or cities reporting. I've been at work and just now checking in. (I can't believe, after eight years of waiting, I've missed all the excitement - I'm so disappointed.) Can you catch me up. Seem like there may still be hope. It's only two points. If the big cities have yet to check in, we've got a great chance.

[bliss_eternal]

44. Here's a link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory?view=8&tab=0&fnum=0

Let me know if you can't access it, and I'll try to get another one for you.
I've also linked this in pro-choice so we can keep up with parental notification.

:hug::hi:

[Control-Z]

62. Thanks bliss

I really am bummed about being stuck at work and in the classroom all night where I just really couldn't even sneak a peak. It must have been exciting to watch!! I saw the parental notification numbers and was just about to go over to pro-choice. Seems I remember doing the same a few years ago together with you! But it doesn't look like we're going to need to worry about it too much this year!

Eight is another story, but at the moment it is too close to call, so there is still hope.

Hope to see you more tonight. If not, it was great to talk to you. And congrats on our victories:toast: :party: :party: :hug:

[bliss_eternal]

66. Yes...we did do this a few years ago!

I remembered that as I was reading your post earlier! So funny---I guess we're diehards! LOL!

I'll be here a while longer, got to go update our forum (pro-choice) as promised ( i got a bit distracted).
Sorry you are at work, hope to see you later--if not see you in pro-choice!

:hug:

[Control-Z]

54. Replying to myself

49% of precincts reporting

Yes

3,016,950
53%
No

2,721,387
47%

Fuck 'em.

I blame the residents of my own county. Asshats picketing on every corner with "Yes on 8" signs, all smiling, and waving at the passing cars - happy and proud to destroy the lives of couples they'll never know. Probably the only (hateful) way to feel "better" about their own miserable lives.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

61. I was shocked, myself

To see so many f'in yellow signs around here, in Santa Cruz County. Granted, it's the south part of the county, where the minority Repubs tend to congregate, but still...I had to drive past those signs every day, day after day.

This is an issue that just completely blows me away. I know that anti-gay sentiment is alive and well in this country, but these people are ACTIVELY WORKING TO DENY FELLOW CITIZENS THEIR RIGHTS. Think about for a minute. They aren't just disapproving, they are spending time and money to ensure that a group of people don't get to have equal rights. I will never understand that, ever.

[Control-Z]

72. I know

I feel the same. I'm in OC. The people here are ultra conservative, but contrary to what people probably think, in all the years I've lived here (most of my life), I have never once seen anyone picketing, until now. I just don't understand how can people be so mean spirited. It is just cruel.

[chalky]

45. K&R. I am sorry as well.

In the midst of all the giddiness from Obama's election, to see the results coming in from California was like having a cold glass of water tossed in my face. A wake-up slap, and reminder that bigotry is not dead in this country.

[dbackjon]

46. Not just LSD and Catholic Mafia

Plenty of other evangelicals, and many, many black churches supported this.

[bliss_eternal]

51. (SIGH)

Could we please stop w/the "black" slurs?!

This proposition was backed by hateful people of many races (sadly). There was apparently a lot of money brought into CA by religious groups (like the Mormons, I heard on the news tonight). But I don't see many comments about that...but way too many blanket statements about blacks vs. gays. Please. just. stop. it.

It seems some here are all too willing to fan the divisive flames of this issue.

[dbackjon]

53. The truth is sometimes very painful

But wait for the breakdown by religion/race, etc.

[bliss_eternal]

55. YOU wait for it.

I'm well aware of the truth. Yes, it can be ugly. But why dwell there? Why encourage divisivness between human beings?

Personally, I'd rather focus on those that DO support equality.

Those that do are from several racial backgrounds, religions, etc. and they are the one's that matter. What frickin' difference does it make, how many black, white, yellow or beige people don't in the grand scheme of things...how many of them supported this horrible proposition? Why does that matter? Unless you're someone that just enjoys dwelling on ugliness and negativity, and particularly enjoys obsessing on such issues when it provides an opportunity to speak ill of a particular ethnic group.

And do forgive me for saying so, but it doesn't make you any better than them for taking so much time to note "the racial background of who's hating who."

It's certainly your choice to do so but, sorry--I won't go there with you.

[dbackjon]

57. I pointed out that it wasn't just white LDS mafia killing this.

Look at the exit polling.

The only racial group to support Prop 8 is blacks. It is losing among whites, asians, tied among Latinos.

But 70% of blacks voted YES on H8.



Just stating the facts.

[last1standing]

58. I never claimed it was the "white LDS mafia" who supported this cruel proposal.

I said it was the "LDS mafia" who pumped $18 million into stealing equality from Americans who live their lives in a way they don't agree with. Whether they are black or white has nothing to do with it.

[dbackjon]

60. Yes, because we all know how inclusive teh LDS cult is....

[last1standing]

64. Still not important in the message.

Why are you bringing race into a debate that was primarily funded by a specific religious group? whether African-Americans voted yes or no is unimportant. What's important is that a specific group funded millions of dollars worth of ads to distort and demonize another group of people. Which specific groups fell for the deception is unimportant.

[bliss_eternal]

65. Yep.

I had no idea how many groups pitched money into this campaign, until tonight--a few religious groups from out of state. I was blown away by that. They don't even live here, but want to limit those that do. That's so beyond insane to me.

[last1standing]

71. Hatred and ignorance know no boundaries.

the LDS mafia is incredibly powerful throughout the western states. They have their filthy hands in everything from the agricultural conglomerates to Las Vegas casinos. I started a thread earlier today suggesting that we start petitions that would decide whether they were legal on our state ballots in retribution for their disgusting actions this cycle.

I was being sarcastic then, but now I'm not so sure. Perhaps showing these hateful people what its like to be discriminated against is what it will take to keep them from interfering in other peoples' lives. :mad:

[bliss_eternal]

73. I need to read more about them...

...but I'm definitely in agreement that this demands some action.

[bliss_eternal]

63. Facts you seem to need to hold onto....

...and use to serve negative purposes. If you need to embrace such statistics, you are within your rights to do so. What you do with those "facts" is also your choice.

Oh, and while you're looking at your "facts" why don't you do some investigating into where those "blacks" learned that hatred. Last I checked, most bigotry in this country was learned at the feet of caucasians, and usually in the name of religion.

But I don't see you discussing those facts--just being divisive in the name of race. Again, not any better than those you cite in your polls. Interesting, and sad.

I'd rather focus on the people that share my beliefs and support me, than concentrating on all those that don't.
But that's just me.

[dbackjon]

67. Actually, most blacks learn that hatred where most whites learn hatred

At church.

As a gay man who grew up in a majority black neighborhood in SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, with mostly black friends, and whose first partner was black, I know how deep-seated the homophobia in the black communitty...

[bliss_eternal]

76. Then you already know...

....how deep-seated homophobia is in RELIGIOUS communities and it's more about that, than black vs. white.Oh and btw, no one wins when someone seems to need to play a rousing game of the oppression olympics, and bases it in race.

Try to keep in mind that when we look at the symptom and not the cause, we tend to miss a great deal.

[last1standing]

77. no one wins when someone seems to need to play a rousing game of the oppression olympics, ...

"no one wins when someone seems to need to play a rousing game of the oppression olympics, and bases it in race."

Can I recommend that comment?

[bliss_eternal]

79. .......

:blush:

You're very kind.

[noiretextatique]

99. i was in a bar full of black gay people last night in oakland, ca

we are a part of "the black community" and i guarantee you that NONE of us voted for Prop. 8.

[Ignis]

106. As a side note...

I was really encouraged by the Latino and Asian returns. I know that both the Catholic Latino and the Protestant Asian church communities were being bombarded by a coordinated "OH NOEZ TEH GHEYZ!" campaign, and it was great to see that it didn't achieve great results.

[rhett o rick]

111. I so agree. And the truth is that the super, super wealthy churches like LDS and Catholics

put up big money to affect legislation (e.g. I-1000 in Washington the state). I think their tax free status should be removed. I don't want my tax money going for religious influence on legislation.

[last1standing]

56. Agreed on all counts.

You're right that we need to see what happens with this proposal (I hope I was incredibly premature), and you're right that blaming a specific race is not only wrong factually, but dishonorable.

Thank you.

[bliss_eternal]

70. Anytime...

...and thank you--I appreciate your support. Always nice to talk to someone that understands how little it serves us as humans (and fellow progressives) to be divisive on such issues.

Thank you for the kind comments, and have a good night!

:hi:

[jennied]

47. This sucks big time.

[readmoreoften]

48. Thank you.

[Ichingcarpenter]

49. American Taliban

[proud patriot]

68. Thank you for your help

It has been a tough battle ..

They really used lots of lies and fear tactics
My fingers are crossed we defeat 8 .

[bliss_eternal]

78. I yelled out loud in my livingroom...

...the first time I viewed the ad w/the little girl at the end, where she's saying something like "...what about me?" As if equality somehow threatened the future of children. :puke: Horrible. Manipulative. Lies.

If the hell these people so fervently believes in exists, I am certain they are all guaranteed a spot there.

[redqueen]

75. .

:kick:

:(

[Manifestor_of_Light]

80. Full Faith and Credit clause will beat it.

This proposition is a total waste of time.

The 9th circuit federal court which includes CA has already ruled that gay marriage is constitutional.

They can't pass a retroactive law making gay marriage illegal (No ex post facto law shall be enacted.)


California, Massachusetts and Connecticut recognize gay marriage.

Full faith and credit clause will trump this. Each state must recognize laws of the other states.



Note: I am a lawyer but don't practice law. This is my impression.

[Selatius]

82. If that is true, then when Prop 8 passes, someone will bring a suit in federal district court.

Since the 9th Circuit already ruled, then it will automatically be struck down upon challenge. The Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution would be in effect.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

84. yup, 9th Circuit has already legalized gay marriage.

That includes California. Eventually it will go to the Supremes and be nationwide.

[trashcanistanista]

81. I can not accept this. I am in denial right now, I can not accept

that this has passed in my state. This is horrific. :cry:

[geomon666]

83. We're sorry from Florida too.

As Florida has passed its anti gay marriage amendment. :cry:

[Selatius]

85. Update: 4:05 AM EST, Prop 8; Yes: 52.3%, No: 47.7%; 65.8% precincts reporting

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory?view=8&tab=0&fnum=0

Grim news for freedom from ignorance.

[bliss_eternal]

86. Update @ 2:09 am (pacific time) w/81.8 % precincts reporting...

51.8% yes on prop 8
48.2% no on prop 8

Wow--3% margin...

Taken from:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory?view=8&tab=0&fnum=0

[greenmutha]

87. THERE'S STILL HOPE - Looks like it's still too close to call this morning!

California Gay Marriage Vote Still Undecided

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3584630

Yay! :bounce:

[lonestarnot]

89. Wow really!

:bounce:

[lonestarnot]

88. It is just unfuckingbelievable that people will not let other people live and let live!

[LSK]

90. I am sorry and this makes me mad that people still want to rob peoples rights

What the fuck is wrong with people???

[atommom]

91. I'm deeply saddened by this. I don't understand the bigotry. nt

[Batgirl]

92. Last night this was the one thing to make me experience an "aw shit" feeling

in spite of my profound joy and relief that Obama won.

If it's true that this will result in challenges that will go before the SC, all the more reason to be thankful Obama is expected to appoint 3 new justices.

[sojourner]

93. kick - and yes, I'm sad too. Voted against the ugly thing apparently to no avail. nt

[ProfessorGAC]

94. Geez, Who Would Vote In Favor Of That

Why can't these people leave other people alone?
The Professor

[bliss_eternal]

96. I just learned last night...

...I a feel like an idiot that I had no idea this was going on in my state.

Apparently outside factions poured money into the support side of this proposition. This included some Mormons. :shrug: (still looking into their connection).

Just stunned that people that don't live in other states, would put so much money into controlling the lives of those that reside here.

:crazy: :(

[ProfessorGAC]

98. Go Figure

That even amplifies my point! Why don't people just let others alone? I don't get what business it is how someone else lives.
GAC

[demmiblue]

95. Another Michigander who is sorry.

And to those who never had their rightful equality to begin with...

:grouphug:

[JAbuchan08]

97. Just shows how far we have to go

our presidential candidate had to walk on eggshells in order to be inoffensive, and he still got labeled a terrorist and a socialist (really what's so bad about that?).

We won in a veritable landslide (electorally) and yet even in the BLUE states Norm Coleman has a slim lead over all Franken and Prop. 8 passed in California of all places.

I just hope that Obama is more than a heartwarming symbolic figure, and that his supporters see that he needs to be more than that as well, or the pubs will prop 8 us to death in every locale in the country.

[jgraz]

100. I'm way too pissed to feel sorry.

We are gonna get this overturned, and then we're gonna make the Catholic and Mormon churches wish they'd never heard of California.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

101. Arkansas called theirs (Foster Parenting)

and sadly it passed 57%.

It is also called "Ban Gay adoption" On the ballot at the voting booth it never said "GAY"

Now it is called "Adoptive Parents" means single people are not allowed to adopt.

[cboy4]

102. K-R

Thanks. ;(

[robinlynne]

103. It isn't over. VERY HIGH percentage of LOs Angeleenos kicked off the roster.

up to 37% in some precincts. all those votes and absentees, and early votes will take 28 more days to count. probably well over one million.

[last1standing]

104. Let's hope for a massive vote for equality.

Plus, with the legal fight about to start who knows what will happen.

[blackbooks]

105. Only consolation I can offer...

"weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."
Psalm 30:5

See, Republicans. We can use the Bible too.

[blackbooks]

107. Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit

"perhaps this too will be a pleasure to look back on one day"
- Virgil

After all, no matter what happens in these tempestuous times, at the end of the story, we win. Progress can only be delayed, not stopped wholesale. Soon there will be too many holes in the dam for the Leviticus Cheerleaders to plug up.

[bear425]

108. Constitutional Amendment passed in Florida, too.

We in Florida never even got the chance. The only thing we had to hold onto was domestic partnership and now that's been taken from us.
It's a bittersweet victory this year.

[bear425]

109. Please tell me I'm not a thread- killer, too. n/t

[phylny]

110. Honest to goodness, make these people put their money where their mouths are.

The sanctity of marriage my ass. Make divorce illegal, bastards, and then we'll talk.

[OHDEM]

112. I will never understand this need to control other people's lives.

Why must they legislate their views on morality??

I'm so sorry to you couples out in California. Keep fighting! You have EVERY RIGHT to live you life as you choose and to share it with whomever you choose.

I would have thought California would be the LAST state to be taking away rights for no good reason.

[Generic Brad]

113. I am so sorry for all those affected

I hope and pray that the courts overturn this injustice.