Okay folks, it's time to be humble.

[cherokeeprogressive]

We've been given a MANDATE. It's time to bring the country back together. The only thing we achieve by rubbing the faces of those people we disagree with in the result of this election is a larger divide between those who believe, and those who don't.

I'm so very proud that my candidate won in such a convincing fashion that I could shout it from the rooftops. At the same time, I feel for those people who THOUGHT they were right, but were proven wrong. Will we spend our newly found political capital by rubbing the nose of those who were opposed to our ideals in the dirt? I think not. It's time to bring this country together again, rather than point to someone and set them aside because their ideals don't dovetail with ours.

WE WON. It's time to do our very best to bring those who disagree with us into the light. We WILL NOT SUCCEED by rubbing their noses in the dirt to satisfy our own selfish need to be validated.

ALL Americans should be included in this victory we've won. EVERYONE WINS. That's the result of this election. Our platform doesn't exclude ANYONE. Rich or poor, native born or naturalized... Tonight we are ALL WINNERS.

We can either do the humble thing and include ALL Americans in our victory, or go the selfish route and rationalize our hatred of some of our compatriots. Our relatives. Our friends.

In the end, it boils down to one thing: Are we Americans? Or are we small groups of people who for whatever reason occupy the same real estate for reasons that are simply luck of the draw? I pray it's the former rather than the latter.

Be humble tomorrow. DO NOT SPREAD HATE. There are LOTS of people who will be feeling as if they've been disenfranchised. Soothe their feelings. What's the harm in that? WE WON!

[SharonAnn]

1. No, I won't be humble and I won't spread hate. I'll be smiling and confident.

I won't be sarcastic, demeaning, arrogant, or snide.

And I won't be humble!

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. Maybe you don't understand the emotion known as humility.

Maybe you've never felt it before. What you WON'T be isn't as important as what you SHOULD be.

We can do one of two things: Accept our mandate and HOPE that we can convince those people who were our opponents yesterday that we were right, or do the childish thing and run around screaming "nyah nyah nyah!" Which do you think makes our position, our beliefs, our ideals more acceptable to those who disagree with us?

Clue: This ISN'T the last election we'll have in our lifetimes.

[The Backlash Cometh]

69. Oh, I remember humility. Humility is that human trait that Republicans

count on to sucker punch you.

We need to be smarter. I, personally, like speak softly and carry a big stick.

[ColbertWatcher]

2. Now is not the time to gloat, now is the time to get to work. n/t

[tom_paine]

7. I think you're great, ColbertWatcher, but I must respectfully disagree.

When it comes to the bullet-headed Freeper Morons who will NEVER be mentally free, now sure the fuck IS time to gloat!

Tomorrow is time to start work.

[ColbertWatcher]

9. Okay, Gloat today, work tomorrow! n/t

[cabluedem]

77. I agree. We have a war to end and begin fixing the USA.

[HopeFor2006]

3. K&R

:kick:

[Believing Is Art]

4. I think it would be a great gesture

if the Democrats asked McCain to help stand up against Bush's last minute attempts to take away environmental protections. While he has flip-flopped on many, many issues, he's consistently held to the fact that global warming is man-made.

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. We have two months. McCain isn't going to ask his constituents to block our efforts.

I thought his concession speach tonight was class personified. He pretty much asked us to support the nation's opinion.

I'm not bitter. I'm sad that some are. It's over. WE won. It's time to heal, not to think about making someone pay for their beliefs.

[Believing Is Art]

20. He did give a good speech

If he releases any memoirs about his campaign, I will be curious to read them.

I still don't think he had much control over his campaign. I don't think he personally made many of the decisions. This by no means absolves him, if anything, it goes to show he's not the leader we need. But that aside, I am curious to know what happened behind closed doors.

[tavalon]

5. Tonight I crow

Tomorrow, I will join with my brothers and sisters in allowing the Republicans to work with us.

[Sebastian Doyle]

8. It's hard to be humble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxNbEuOO20

but I'm doing the best that I can.

[OrwellwasRight]

11. Nice sentiment, but nope, I won't suck up to those who called Obama

a terrorist, a muslim, an Arab, and the anti-christ.

I had to sit in DC and be shat upon by Tom DeLay. They don't respect humble. Let them show humility, and I will show respect back.

[truedelphi]

112. Ain't TomDelay in jail?? What the heck??

Well at least he wasn't out there raising them money this time, was he??

Sorry if you did have to encounter him, There should be laws!!

[redqueen]

12. .

[WarbirdForObama]

26. I Love That!!!

hehehe

[SammyWinstonJack]

105. ...

:spray:

[crickets]

115. Oh, yeah. That's a keeper. -nt

:rofl:

[jennied]

13. Thanks for this... since my best friend and my brother voted McCain...

Though I'm so glad that Obama won, I've been very saddened and upset about them voting the way they did. I would never rub their faces in it, though, I've decided not to argue with them. Instead, just agree to disagree, and hopefully we can all find some stable ground.

[SlingBlade]

14. Naaaa, I think its time for them to just

Get over it !

Stupid fucking fascist bastards, Fuck em, One and all.
If these pricks had their way we'd all be in concentration camps
These fuckers have lied stolen and murdered their way into becoming
fucking billionaires at the expense of our nation and our blood

These wacky bastards know better, Don't even kid yourself, They're not
fucking stupid, They're just greedy little fucking racist bastards
who'd pimp out their own grandmothers if they good make a buck or move
up a notch on their precious fucking corporate whore ladders.

I'm fucking sick of em, I fucking hate those fuckers
Make no fucking mistake

See, now I'm all fucking worked up again and its god damned
ruining my fucking Obama high

So Fuck em, Just tell em to get fucking over it, Eat fucking Shit and then DIE !

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. You insult me with your two foot wide brush.

"Eat shit and then die." Your words. They'll get over it. They'll see the error of their ways if we show them. To forgive is human.

To hold grudges is a Democratic ideal? A kilo of hate is all you can muster on the eve of such an historic event? Too bad for you and your hatred. I'm sorry my plea for unity made you feel hatred. Must be your nature.

[alarimer]

65. They will not get over it.

Some of them are loading their guns even as we speak here.

And soon they will be filling the airwaves with the kind of shit they spewed during the election. Just you wait. They are relentless and hate-filled. They deserve no mercy for the truly awful things they have said and done. Bush has destroyed this country and you want to play nice with those people. No thanks. May they burn in hell forever.

[Zhade]

54. What kiloman said.

NT!

[deaniac21]

113. I see you going far in life. It's not often that just a great

vocabulary is put on display!

[Breeze54]

15. Wow! You really think change happens in 5 hours? Give me a break.

The repukes can kiss my ass!! :grr: Just because Obama was elected doesn't change that.
I've been saying that since 1972 and my opinion of the repukes will remain even after
Obama leaves office. You see? The problem is the repukes haven't changed.... ever!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. Sad to see that you'll never do a thing to try and change it.

[Breeze54]

38. Oh, but I did. The proof is Obama was elected as President.

;)

There is more than one way to skin a cat and if you really think that being nicey-nice

to the A-Hole Repukes will change them, then you have a lot to learn. They see niceness

as being soft and vulnerable and they think nice people, aka liberals, as easy marks.

Don't get fooled AGAIN!!!!!!! :grr: Wake UP!!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. Keep clinging to the US vs THEM meme and you'll never be fooled.

So you think that EVERY person you consider an "a-hole repuke" is beyond your ability to talk to in an effort to bring them back from the dark side. According to you, they are beyond redemption. Got it.

Your hatred will never result in a unified government or electorate. I'm saddened that you can't see the value in trying. You'd rather continue the war on progressive thinking with intellectual bombs and would rather see a significant portion of the population ostricized than try to convince them that their ideal is wrong and yours is right.

We will always be divided because you think we should be.

[Zhade]

55. Keep ignoring it and you'll keep being deceived.

NT!

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[YvonneCa]

101. It seems some here don't get ...

...at all that Obama wants to unify the country. And Obama wants all of his supporters to help that happen.

[bobd0]

79. A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. K&R this thread. n/t

[readmoreoften]

16. I'm glad the French didn't respond that way after the Vichy were overthrown.

I could give a "demon-rat's" ass about a party of vicious homophobes and haters. We have a lot of work to be done and a lot of wrongs to right. The first people we need to soothe are those members of the democratic resistance who are in harms way and have been thrown under the bus.

How about we work on humbly enfranchising LGBT people and the poor before waxing sympathetic for fallen fascists?

Besides, fascists respond best to the "stern father" model. That means they need a good kick in the teeth before they listen up.

[Breeze54]

17. Right ON!!! WooHoo!!!

:D :applause: :applause:

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[rockymountaindem]

21. Actually, they kind of did

Some historians estimate that 50,000 Frenchmen died at the hands of their countrymen during the liberation as a result of reprisals. That doesn't include the many women who were publicly humiliated in retribution for "le collaboration horizontal".

[readmoreoften]

37. That's what I meant. I'm glad they weren't "humble."

Many kids of the French left got their first understanding of populism seeing Nazis beat to death in the streets. I have no sympathy for those who KNOWINGLY collaborated in ethnic cleansing and sexual cleansing. Mass murder and the destruction of a nation should have consequences.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. So in your mind it will ALWAYS be us... vs... them.

How about we work on convincing those with mistaken opinions that they are wrong? Kicks in the teeth don't work on humans.

"fascists respond best to the "stern father" model. That means they need a good kick in the teeth before they listen up". Do you not see the irony in your own words?

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. us... vs... them.

Your 'mistaken opinions' over time always gets my attention

[Fumesucker]

34. It's been "us vs them" since I became politically aware..

That's over forty years now.. And if anything, things have gotten worse, the country is even more polarized now in some ways than it was in 1968. The greatest indicator of the changes for the worse we have gone through is that, judged by today's standards, Nixon governed like a flaming liberal (far more liberal than Obama will be, IMO).

I was pretty naive in 1968, I'm not naive any more.

I fully expect most Democratic politicians to continue their hatred of the liberal base, *that* is the single problem we most need to fix.

[WheelWalker]

45. I was not so naive in 1968. I was so much older then. I'm younger, and

willing to be so much more naive, than that now.

[readmoreoften]

47. There is no "irony" in my words whatsoever. Rhetoric and dialogue can only go so far with fascists.

Union-busters and exploiters cannot be "talked down" from their political positions. A good portion of the religious right cannot be "talked down" from their positions, but I do think that its worth trying to that demographic. I don't think coddling them helps, though. When gay men and lesbians turn around and fight their attackers, the results are surprising. People respect those who stand up for themselves. One of the BIG reasons why Klan rallies aren't so popular any more is because of the (largely white) Anti-Racist Action league. The ARA physically confronts the Klan and the Minutemen. It's amazing how the Klan don't want to hold rallies in a town after they get publicly humiliated by losing fights. When the klan loses to the ARA, they lose support of the young, disenfranchised, working class white men they've seduced.

Moreover, LGBT people can attribute the vast majority of their limited political power not to 'dialogue' but to the Stonewall riots. The Stonewall riots were RIOTS, not "dialogues" but riots complete with molotov cocktails. When Allen Ginsberg looked out at the gay men laying in the streets covered in blood with broken bones from fighting police he said "They lost that wounded look." To me that's one of the most beautiful lines in American political history.

I am always open to dialogue with my political enemies. But they are my enemies. Those who take away the rights of groups of people and those who exploit groups of people are my enemies. If they are naive or ignorant, there is room for discussion, of course. But realistically, a good number of these people are usually fascists plain and simple.

If the French were kind and gentle to those responsible for a Holocaust, there might be a Vichy party in power today.

The truth of equality is more important than kindness and gentleness in my book. It is more important than life itself in my book.

[Zhade]

56. THANK YOU!

NT!

[treestar]

72. Great post! Those are the people who would vote for Democrats

Why cater to those who only seek to undermine Democratic goals?

[Mad_Dem_X]

91. Amen! n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. HUMBLE? I really have never found you to do that until now

Sounds Republican

[charlie]

27. Lol!

I was gonna say...

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. I don't give a fuck what it "sounds" like to you. I am what I am. And tonight, I'm humbled to know

that the majority of Americans feel the same way as I do. Maybe you should look up the definition of humility. I don't HATE. I've never promoted HATE. I've never promoted HATRED because of percieved slights of my beliefs.

In my life, EVERYONE gets a pass. Tell me that there isn't a former rethug that we haven't shown some kind of forgiveness for saying that they may have been wrong in their beliefs. On the other side of the coin, tell me there isn't a Democrat that we've dumped on for saying that some rethug idea or another might not signal the end of the world.

I didn't sign on here three years ago because of my hate. I signed on because of my belief that everyone could be wrong, and everyone who admits their mistakes should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Hate if you must. I won't.

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. You are asking for the victims of abuse to be humble

I don't 'HATE' but I don't agree with your logicl

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. So your disagreement with my logic leads you to the notion that I'm republican.

Binary thinking is what led us to this point on our history. I won't back down from what I believe, no matter what you call me.

[Ichingcarpenter]

42. Belief and Logic or not mutually inclusive

Binary thinking means that you are not myopic which is what
your analytical thinking is trying to suggest.

Now, I'll let it go, but on that. We won..... we can do better, we agree
within ourselves and address those that address us or even abuse us.

Your peroration of the word Humility was what disturbed be.

Good Night and Good luck.

[cherokeeprogressive]

46. Good Night, and Good Luck to You as Well.

[readmoreoften]

48. That is a succinct way of putting it. I will not ask the victims of abuse to be humble.

[Zhade]

58. So be humble, instead of so self-righteous.

Don't think you can dictate behavior to others, because you are wildly mistaken.

[cherokeeprogressive]

30. I've been called far worse things than "republican", by people whose opinions I value far more than

yours. You'll have to do better than that.

Hate. It's what's for Iching. I get it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. You sound so Humble now...... tell me more?

I do have a confessional booth if you would like to address your humbleness.

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. Is there anything more that needs to be said?

I'm not perfect. I've done reallllly shitty things in my life that I'm very ashamed of. Things that wouldn't necessarily brand me as either rethug or Dem. I'm trying to be better. I think I've been successful in some, and failed dismally in others. I'm trying though. I'll never stop.

I hope that your confessional booth isn't what your posts prove it to be: A place where someone comes to address past transgressions, only to be publicly flogged for admitting being less than perfect.

[AllyCat]

24. The only nose I want to rub is Karl Rove's

He can just kiss my a$$. And Shrub and Darth, them too.

But everyone else...lets show them how this is done the people's way.

[Ichingcarpenter]

29. HUMBLE...... WHAT IT MEANS........ THE ONES THAT ABUSE NOT THE ABUSED

SHOULD BE HUMBLE WHEN PROVED WRONG


now THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND

[proud patriot]

32. I will be gentle and try to build bridges

:patriot:

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. Ditto......

You are right.....

I will let it go.

[proud patriot]

43. It won't be easy for me

But if we are to help Americans , the pendulum must
swing inch by inch,,

I will resist my temper as best as I can .

[Duncan Grant]

39. Justice first, humility second.

And while I'm at it...

You all should be horrified that gay people had their rights removed tonight. Enjoy your party.

[Chovexani]

41. Tonight really sums up what America is all about

After all, this is a country founded on the principles of freedom and equality by slaveholders who made sure only they had the right to vote.

[wroberts189]

49. Do what you want. I am going to GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT !!!!!!!

[Maureen1322]

50. I agree with every word, 100%.

[SlingBlade]

51. Once again- Fuck Them one and All

I'll consider compassion AFTER these fucks pay for their crimes
This is just more fucking "Our long National nightmare is over"

No, It wasn't then and it isn't now.
Had those fuckers been convicted for their crimes during the Nixon crime spree
much of what America and the world has suffered would not have occurred

Had these god damed traitors been sentenced for their bull shit under the
administration of Ronnie the fucking raygun hundreds of thousands would be
alive today who have been killed under our corporate death machine.

There are too many bodies still lying around to be discovered
Too many fucking conspiracies yet to be exposed and too many god damed
Reich Wing Think tanks that will take these fuckers in and give them
a place to conspire their next coup.

Fuck em, Bring out the gallows and execute a few thousand of their top
fucking Neo-Con Generals for treason and corruption, Do it until the
fucking streets turn red with their blood and then

Only then talk about healing.

While you talk this bullshit they are now talking about armed civil war.

Think about it, Because the next time these assholes gain power may be the last
for this nation and the world

[Zhade]

59. You speak truth.

NT!

[PVnRT]

52. Fuck humility

The right-wingers have been arrogant and the definition of hubris for eight years. They consistently call us traitors and every other epithet they can think of, and we're not supposed to throw it back in their face?

Fuck 'em. I love watching them squirm and cry and invent all manner of conspiracies that will happen with Obama in the White House.

[Zhade]

53. I'm not down for forgiving the unrepentant. No sale.

Those who want to come to US - because OUR ideas are what works, and THEIRS is what this country just repudiated by a 2:1 margin - are welcome to climb on board. They can help clean up the country they helped trash.

But they are not running the show anymore. They are not dictating SHIT. Understand? NOTHING.

We can't afford to let them, or they'll ensure this world dies. Clear enough for you?

[SmileyRose]

57. Maybe next week. But not today. And being happy is not equal to "spreading hate"

We won. I'm going to act like a winner.

[Dorian Gray]

60. I think you are right

Some people I know are upset, though many are not. I am extraordinarily ecstatic, but I hope to be just as gracious with those who are not.

[lelgt60]

61. When you're in power, killing and imprisoning the opposition makes YOU the Gestapo

While I understand the hateful emotions displayed on in response to this post, I believe the ability to reach out a hand and ask the opposition to join us is a key difference between "us" and "them". So, in my mind, I see "us" as those who think it is best for the world to be humble and err on the side of forgiveness. I think of "them" as those who would continue the cycle of hate and violence against all those that oppose them, the only difference being who happens to be in power. There are 45 million registered Republicans. Do you really have the hate in you to hate 45 million people?

That said:

1) Where we have evidence that people committed crimes, who broke specific laws - these people should be considered for prosecution, based on the severity of the accusation. (Yes, that means Bush).
2) If the opposition does not take the olive branch we extend (and, I suspect they won't) we should do everything legally we can to continue to defeat them.

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[lelgt60]

90. So you're advocating destroying 45 million people?

It's so nice you don't regard them as human - just a cancer - just like Hitler saw the Jews.

And, of course, you know all 45 million Republicans hate 225 million people. You know each and every one of them.

True democratic values.

[bhbwl]

100. Of course not...

The cancer is their beliefs, not themselves. THAT'S the cancer.

As for 45 million repukes hating 225 million people, tell me what you think there is in repuke-ism that ISN'T hateful? What is there in repuke-ism that is kind, compassionate and progressive? If you can tell me that, maybe there's a point of common ground.

[lelgt60]

107. You said the Repubs hated all 225 million non-Repubs

I know of many Repubs who do not hate others. Several came up and congratulated me today and wished Obama well.

As for their beliefs, many believe in a very general concept: That government should be as small as possible, and intrude as little as possible on peoples lives. They're Republican because they believe that Democrats believe in the concept that all problems can be solved by government and they believe that is incorrect. If you want to twist that into something "hateful", I'm sure you can. I believe they are wrong. I believe being wrong doesn't make them hateful. I also see that many times we're just separated by degrees of beliefs - like the stupid argument about redistribution of wealth. Almost all Republicans I know of are fine with a progressive income tax, they just want different rates.

I also believe some people are Republican primarily because they agree in general with the Republican position on abortion and disagree in general with what they believe is the Democratic position on abortion.

My biggest problem with your statement is the assumption that all Republicans believe the same things in the same way. So, if you run into one hateful Republican (or even thousands of hateful Republicans) then you can generalize this into 45 million hateful Republicans.

That's just not my experience. I know Republicans who think Bush lied on the war, sold us out to Wall Street bankers, etc. They have a complete spectrum of beliefs that defy broad brushed hateful comments such as yours.

Again, I have no problem labeling and going after specific Republicans, like Bush, Cheney, Rove, tc. I have a problem labeling 45 million people I don't know as if they were one monolithic group, which my experience says they're not. When you give a broad brush hateful label to a group, you dehumanize them, which is the first step in enabling some pretty awful crimes, as history has shown. Also, you make communication, and thus changing their minds, virtually impossible. You're left with some pretty nasty choices. I won't go there.

[bhbwl]

116. The 45 million enable the ones at the top...

They may be "decent" people but their actions enable evil.

If going after bush, cheney and rove because they're evil is moral, how is it not moral to go after the thinking that enabled them to get where they did?

[lelgt60]

118. IMHO, You should only "go after" people who provably intended to cause harm...

In many ways, the actions of many Democrats could be claimed to "have enabled" Bush. But, they were lied to. You could claim they should have known by looking at past history. Maybe. Again, I'm just unwilling to have to draw that line. There has just been too much retribution and killing in human history for what, at the time, seemed "just" causes. I'll err on the side of letting some people off. I kind of like the example of Nelson Mandela.

[ChrisMCV]

62. Enjoy your victory

Enjoy it, you won.
I am a republican (and I post here pretty carefully so I don't cross the line, lol) and I am going to tell you to just enjoy it, gloat, yell, etc. I can concede you won and by a pretty decent margin. My head won't explode and I have enough faith in our country to believe that even if I don't agree with my presidents politics, he won't destroy the country as soon as he is sworn in.

My one true hope from all of this is that we can move our nation forward in a few ways. The main is that there has been a large portion of the people in this nation who have felt powerless and like their votes and opinions did not matter. This has always been a tragic state that I hope can now end. When you feel like your vote does not count there is no reason to invest the time and effort into learning issues, and sadly many fell into this trap. Historic low turnout in the past points this out to be true in my opinion.

Now that there is a renewed sense of purpose and a sense that ones votes DO count, I hope we can take up the debate about the direction our country is taking with a larger informed public taking things into consideration. I would much rather have an informed public I disagree with then a clueless one that follows the talking points and political spin.

If it means I have to suffer for four/eight years of the opposing party in power to give America a rekindling of its investment in the process, so be it.

You won, don't be humble, be winners. You won by running on change and improving how our nation runs itself, I really hope we can change and improve it.

Good luck for the next four.

Bunch a lefty hippies... grumble grumble... (that was a joke btw)
Is it still too early for a stiff drink?

[Lorien]

64. Maybe you'll agree that it's time for some election reform in this country

and that both sides can come together on that issue?

It's time that we had some sort of National system, with voting on the weekend,early voting Nationwide, or a National election day holiday. People should be registered automatically when they get their driver's licenses, and those that don't drive could register at the DMV, libraries and the board of elections and get a picture ID.And let's finally put an END to touchscreen voting machines!

Let's have a National contest to design a universal ballot; intuitive, clear, unambiguous and fair- and lets' use it from next year forward. Let's teach children how to vote using the ballot from first grade on.How about a return of a basic civics course in High School? Let's ensemble a team from top universities and corporations like Apple to design a simple, un-hackable, fail proof paper ballot scanner that can be studied and verified as such by top experts in twenty of the world's most free and Democratic Nations. When the ballot is scanned, have the machine print out a receipt that voters can double check and keep. If ALL of us can trust that our vote is counted, then we'll be better able to trust our government. Isn't our democracy worth it?

Anyway, that's one of the first things that I'd like to see us come together on. :-) :hi:

[ChrisMCV]

66. Agreed.

My extremely Leftist boss and I were discussing it this morning (after he had a well earned bit of gloating) and he pointed out the the controversy over the 2000 and 2004 election led to many feeling that Bush was NOT their president. I can see where it makes one pretty convinced the system is stacked against you.

I may not agree with the idea the election was stolen, but I do see how that makes it pretty hard to move forward and any system that even allows that doubt to occur needs repair. After the past elections and the current acorn issue (real or imagined) we need to overhaul the entire system.

I am actually glad Obama won by the margin he did so we don't get mired down in that issue this time as it would be something that would further tear us apart, I may not like it, but I cannot dispute the results (grumble grumble and all that).

But indeed, lets find a way to fix this. I don't want any advantage to either side, just a system that counts the votes accurately so the votes count no matter what they say!

Convincing you lefties I am right about everything else is of course an entirely different battle. :-)

[bhbwl]

78. First thing to do with a National Ballot

is make sure repukes are not allowed anywhere near it.

We've allowed them to vote for long enough, and look where it got us.

We know who they are and where they live. We can heal all we want....


AFTER THEY PAY.

No quarter.

[Lorien]

81. Sorry, but this is America

the First Amendment still stands.

I may not agree with what they say, but I must always fight for their right to say it!

[bhbwl]

83. And it'll get them back in power EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

The first amendment shouldn't be a suicide pact.

[Lorien]

85. That's absurd. With fair elections Dems win

because most of America is center left!

Have you READ the constitution? Do you agree with it? If we all don't have a voice, then NONE of us are truly free. The Freepers are the ones who try to kill dissent in this Nation and drown out our voices. We're true Americans, therefore we don't pull that kind of fascist crap.

[bhbwl]

89. Barack has just called for unity, and you're calling for dissent?

How's that going to unite this country?

It's simple. A cancer patient can't get on with her life until her cancer is destroyed.

[Lorien]

106. You are being deliberately obtuse. I did NOT "call" for dissent

I said that accepting and allowing dissent is AMERICAN. You seem to be calling for genocide or a civil war. Which is it?

[bhbwl]

117. Neither.

After the end of WWII, America began a process called "DeNazification" of Germany. No genocide, no civil war. But Nazism--and indeed militarism--was effectively wiped out as a political philosophy. But it wasn't easy. It involved all levels of society, working together to rid itself of a hated and disgusting idea.

It'd be nice if we could get to that stage with repuke-ism.

Nowadays, it's nearly repugnant for a young German to enlist in the Bundeswehr. People who do so are shunned by their friends as militaristic and wanting to return to the old "Grossdeutschland."

It'd be nice if we could get to that stage in our country.

[Fumesucker]

67. I still feel like my opinion doesn't count..

Over the last three months or so I've watched the issue at the top of my personal agenda go from almost daily discussion and vociferous support here on DU to almost never getting mentioned.

I supported Obama and voted for him but I have no illusions that he is going to do a damn thing about the issue I care the most about.

[Lorien]

70. Hey, I'm an environmentalist who wants to see the Patriot Act shredded

and the Constitution and Bill of rights fully restored, among many other "far left" ideas, so I hear you!

[Fumesucker]

104. I'm an environmentalist too...

And a strong civil libertarian.

[HughBeaumont]

63. If there's anyone I don't envy today, it's Barack Obama.

He and his administration have the unenviable task of repairing the inherited and near-unfixable Bewsh crapcake. The obstinate and greedy wealthy will remain an obstacle and a pain in the ass. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

But I know he IS the best man to do it.

[Mutley]

68. Everyone: Think of freeperville right after the 2004 election.

Do we want to be those people? Hell no. There's a reason why we all believe Obama will be such a breath of fresh air. Let's not prove ourselves wrong.

[datasuspect]

71. humility is for good slaves

[LanternWaste]

110. And even better for Kings...

And even better for Kings...

[Marrah_G]

73. I feel an incredible sense of calm this morning- no more anger

The good guys won.

I won't be rubbing our win in anyone's face.

[shadowknows69]

75. Tomorrow

Today is laugh at a Freeper day in my house. New Holiday.

[workinclasszero]

76. I'm not going to play footsie with fascists who call President Obama the anti-Christ

or a terrorist, etc.

They can go piss up a rope and die. Their day is done.

Obama needs to get us out of Iraq ASAP, implement his health care plans, kill the massive tax breaks for the oil companies and other businesses.

How much "help" do you think Rush Limbaugh knuckle dragger's are going to give President Obama with his agenda?

[Mad_Dem_X]

92. I'm with you

I'm not going to smile and make nice with such hate-filled racists. Fuck them.

[Xenotime]

80. Humble is bullshit rethug thinking. I'm spreading CHANGE and letting all know.

[Lorien]

86. Being humble and inclusive is "Rethug thinking"?

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

We have met the enemy, and he is us! Or have you never listened to one of Obama's speeches?

[KG]

84. repooks! bow down to the one you serve! you're going to get what you deserve!

oh, you were saying? :eyes:

[Individualist]

87. I don't play nice with neocons

Damn the DLC and their neocon appeasement. :puke:

[tilsammans]

88. Great post . . . agree totally

But all that said, the Bushies have committed real crimes during their Reign of Terror. Crimes, people! And those crimes should not go ignored and unpunished.

:kick:

[Neshanic]

93. Uh, no.

[Egnever]

94. maybe next week

[IsItJustMe]

95. Trust but verify. Forgive, but don't forget. Learn your lessons. Thats my attitude.

[Senator]

96. Are Torturers And War Criminals Part Of "ALL Americans" ?!?

Because that's the "one thing" to which it really boils down, unless we wish to go forward together in denial and dishonesty.

Is that what we're supposed to "reach across" to embrace? That seems to be Obama's plan. And there's only one possible outcome.

NOBODY WINS.

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[lelgt60]

108. I do not believe Obama wants to embrace torturers and war criminals...

However, as I made the point earlier in this thread, that doesn't encompass anywhere near all the 45 million Republicans.

On the other hand, I respect his priorities, and I'm sure there are many hungry people who would rather they be higher in priority than going after the top Repubs.

If it were me, I'd go after one: Bush. Focus limited resources on him. Then get on with making things better for millions of others.

[lumberjack_jeff]

97. People do not have a switch.

If you abuse them for their entire lives, the transformation doesn't happen all at once.

One other thing; "disenfranchised" is what happens when you're prevented from voting, like the bad guys did to tens of thousands just yesterday. You remember yesterday, right?

[Skittles]

98. WTF? FUCK THAT

WE JUST TOOK OUR COUNTRY BACK - IT'S NO TIME TO BE HUMBLE, IT IS TIME TO FIGHT

[YvonneCa]

99. Great post! What is also really important...

...IMO, is that now we will have a President who will help us be our 'best' Americans. Sort of like when Obama mentions McCain, people start to boo, and he's cuts them off, saying..."we don't need that...we just need to vote."


I think he will be a steady force for our better side...the side of America that makes us all most proud. Not the 'Bring it on' cowboy style we've had for the last eight years...but the side that says we understand the feeling of disenfranchisement. We will work against that. We are about inclusion and humility. "We know we are stronger together...come join us."

It's going to be a new day! :)

[depakid]

102. Once Republicans start blocking everything meaningful Obama and the Dem Congress tries to do

I suspect gracious attitudes like this will change- because Republicans surely won't.

[Waiting For Everyman]

103. Everyone is automatically included. They exclude themselves when they

insist that their lies are the truth. There is no accommodating that, or we become their victims of it again - I for one, have no intention of missing any opportunity to stand against their toxic ideology every time it's promoted, especially if it's to be anywhere within our laws or policy. But I have no axe to grind, they do, it's theirs.

Facts matter. The other side has a lot of them to face and come to grips with. The best thing we can do, is to continue stressing those facts until it's simply undeniable.

Poor people did not cause the economic meltdown... Nobody's coming for the RW's guns or paychecks... The state has no business legislating morality between consenting adults... Ad infinitum...

[Vidar]

109. Beautifully stated & highly recommended.

[LanternWaste]

111. Nice post...

Nice post... we all advertise our class in one way or another. :hi:

[aikoaiko]

114. Good message, cherokeeprogressive, but there are many who aren't ready to hear it or live it.

I still hold hope that Obama will lead all Americans, not just Democrats. And then maybe his supporters who are still hated-filled will follow his lead. .