Sy Hersh's "STARTING GUN" People Lining Up To Talk-'ABOUT ABUSES & VIOLATIONS On 1/20/09'

[kpete]

Take That Call
The Observer,
Sunday October 19 2008

The Guardian talks to Sy Hersh ...


The man who knows too much

He exposed the My Lai massacre, revealed Nixon's secret bombing of Cambodia and has hounded Bush and Cheney over the abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib... No wonder the Republicans describe Seymour Hersh as 'the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist'. Rachel Cooke meets the most-feared investigative reporter in Washington


Like everyone in America just now, he is on tenterhooks. A Democrat who truly despises the Bush regime, he is reluctant to make predictions about exactly what is going to happen in the forthcoming election on the grounds that he might 'jinx it'. The unknown quantity of voter racism apart, however, he is hopeful that Obama will pull it off, and if he does, for Hersh this will be a starting gun. 'You cannot believe how many people have told me to call them on 20 January (the date of the next president's inauguration),' he says, with relish. '(They say): "You wanna know about abuses and violations? Call me then." So that is what I'll do, so long as nothing awful happens before the inauguration.'

more at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oct/19/seymour-hersh-new-yorker-reporter
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/243045.php

[speedoo]

1. K&R. Thanks for posting.

Mmmm... juicy!

[VeraAgnes]

2. The battle within the Democratic Party during the Primaries

is what he is most likely referring to in his message.

[Juche]

19. I think it is more a reference to abuses during the Bush admin

Once bush and his cronies are out, they will not be able to pardon anyone or take revenge on anyone. So people are waiting until Jan 20th to come forward.

[VeraAgnes]

21. Good.............

because I want peace and unity for our Democratic Party. Most of all...they need to work as hard we all did to get them elected. O8)

[snappyturtle]

3. YES! These abuses in their entirety need to be out in the open.

As Democrats we need to encourage this because the over reaching executive has to be curtailed. I don't care who is in the WH, no one branch should garner as much power as it has in this administration.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. Recommended - DO NOT LET THEM OFF THE HOOK!!!!

:grr:

[Robbien]

5. They know about abuses and violations but have been silent the last 8 years

Gee Thanks

[gratuitous]

14. Opposing an outlaw regime that doesn't cavil at torture

I can understand how some folks might be a little nervous about revealing what they know. I, too, would have greatly preferred to see these crimes outed in something closer to real time. But since the statue of limitations on war crimes and crimes against humanity is never, I'll take the trials and convictions whenever I can get them.

[Robbien]

15. At this late stage of the game

I don't think the revelations will come to much. Just a couple of weeks ago it came out that both Bush and Rice individually and specifically approved the torture policy we were to do in Iraq and Gitmo.

The news barely even made a ripple in public consciousness.

[bluesmail]

6. I've got goosebumps. n/t

[zbdent]

7. Do NOT offer unconditional immunity ...

rule #1 ...

[Generator]

8. OH YES I always said

we know so much horrible stuff-torture, constitituion shredding-but can you imagine all the SHIT we don't know that they did or TRIED to do-bring it on! This country will never vote for a R again.

[loudsue]

9. "So long as nothing awful happens before the inauguration". Ouch.

I will be holding my breath for the next 8 years. I hope the CIA & secret service is really really good at protecting the Obama clan. There are some REALLY sick puppies from the hate community, and they have guns.

[Beam Me Up]

10. I'm more worried about elements within the CIA and SS

than wing nuts. Not saying I don't worry about them, too, but there is a 'deep state' aspect to the JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinations that can't be completely ignored or discounted. That is where the most dangerous threat actually lies.

[hvn_nbr_2]

12. I'm with you on that

I think that the Secret Service can deal with the racist nutjobs, if they uniformly want to. I'm not at all sure that we can trust the powers that be in CIA, SS, FBI, and various other national "security" and "law enforcement" organizations, especially after the Bush-Cheney purges. One favorable point though is that I think there's more likely to be a whistleblower/disruptor somewhere in those organizations than there was 45 years ago.

[loudsue]

13. You're right. I hope there is someone well-placed that will have his back.

ESPECIALLY if he starts making the big changes that need to be made, he's in far more danger. That is why we need to keep the ground organizations in place, so that there are millions working on the same page.

[bobthedrummer]

11. K&R

[pleah]

16. K&R!

[TexasLawyer]

17. Hersh-- "Bush will be hunted like Pinochet"

Hersh gave a speech here in Houston 2 years ago, and I won't soon forget that prediction, which he made in response to a question that evening.

We may never get justice out of the U.S. justice system, but an international tribunal may have the will and the way to shine a light on the Bush regime's crimes.

http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-nurem.htm


Principles of the
Nuremberg Tribunal, 1950

<snip>
Principle Vl

The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under; international law:

Crimes against peace:

Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;

Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
War crimes:

Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave-labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or illtreatment of prisoners of war, of persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.

Crimes against humanity:

Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.

[SpiralHawk]

18. "But I will hide like my 9/11 Saudi buds, the bin Ladens. Smirk." - Commander AWOL (R)

[Joe Chi Minh]

20. I remember reading a long time ago that Noam Chomsky was once

designated by the FBI as Public Enemy No 1, but when I Googled recently I could find no reference to it. But it would have made "sense", in the way the School of The Americas does.....!

[indepat]

22. Sweet Jesus, let the games begin

:P

[Mnemosyne]

23. KnR for optimism! n/t

[liberalla]

24. Sy Hersh will get the goods. Can't wait to see what he finds -

Let the investigations begin.

[Greyhound]

25. Let's try to push for some follow-up on what he gets.

I'm afraid we're going to hear another chorus of "the past is past, time to look forward" and the perpetrators will walk away to return in a decade and do it all over again.

There have to be consequences, otherwise there is nothing to prevent it being repeated. Why is this so hard to understand? Clinton refused to pursue BCCI and Iran-Contra, both examples of blatant treachery, and as a result they were free to hang him.

Please, not again.

[Swamp Rat]

26. k

:kick:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

27. Kick! 'cause I want to...

Welcome back, kpete! You rock :yourock:

[dixiegrrrrl]

28. K&R

Looking forward to good reading by Hersh, soon.

[crickets]

29. Kickety!