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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:21 PM
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Dean doesn't think we are a "center right" country. Will be on C-Span at 8:45 tonight
with the RNC chairman at the National Press Club. I think it is a re-air from earlier today. Early word sounds like it was an interesting encounter between them.

This part jumped out at me.

Dean disagreed with Duncan’s assertion that the country is right leaning and said that Obama’s victory meant that there was a mandate.

“I don’t think this is a center-right country…we did a lot of polling when I first became Chairman. It turns out that most people in Nebraska, not exactly known for being a very liberal state, actually agreed with democratic positions more than they agreed with Republican positions if you put them in the words of each party.”

Party heads weigh in on election


Here is more from another source which gives more the feel of being there at the National Press Club.

Analysis of the 2008 Election; Input from Chairmen of DNC and RNC

In a live program on C-Span to the National Press Club on Wednesday, November 5, Howard Dean, the Democratic National Committee Chairman, and Mike Duncan, the Chairman of the Republican Committee, appeared together and spoke to what happened and what is going to happen now that the election is over.

"President Obama is going to set this nation on a course that we need and that he promised," said Dean. Duncan, the loser last night, seemed less willing to put aside partisan politics and didn't seem to necessarily agree with that assessment.


It's a long post, and I am only including a small part.

11) Q: "Is there a way to change the tenor of campaign ads?" Dean said that he believes that Libby Dole's negative ads in her race worked against her in her loss at the hands of Kay Hagan. (Near the end of that campaign, Dole suggested that Kay Hagan didn't believe in God, even though she had been a Sunday School teacher.) (Dean): "Obviously, I have a point of view here. I think there was a difference in the way the two campaigns did their compare-and-contrast ads. The Democratic ads usually ended up with a positive comparison. For better or worse, some degree of negativity does work, but too much negativity works against you." Duncan said, "I would agree with part of what Chairman Dean had to say there." He then referenced Finland, where it is illegal to run a negative ad, but he defended the negative ads run during the Republican campaign because of our First Amendment rights to free speech. Duncan tried to nit-pick by saying that the negative ads began on the Democratic side. Duncan, once again, beat to death the dead horse of the Town Hall meetings, which McCain wanted more of and Obama declined to participate in. (Dean humorously declined to comment.)Q: "Do you think the campaign would have been enhanced by the Town Hall meetings?" A: (from Dean), "We are about getting things done and I'm not going to get into a squabble about who did or did not participate in town hall meetings. We're looking forward, not backwards."

12) "We have transformed the Democratic Party. All of those 50 primaries that we had to go through...that was not part of the 50 state voting strategy (laughter)...but we had a terrific data base." Dean gave kudos to the RNC for this, saying that the RNC had that kind of data base. "When I got there, they had a 15-year technical advantage over us. They'd been doing, for years, something we had not been able to do. They've been able to do it for a long time. We can argue about how well they know how to run the country, but they certainly know how to run elections."

Dean said that, using just credit card information, there is the ability to predict with 85% accuracy how someone will vote. (Duncan): "While we outraised the DNC, per se, they had unions and other organizations that helped them," adding, "We spend money on R&D at the DNC. We append the consumer data and voter contact date. We continue doing that on a regular basis. We've got some new wrinkles for the next cycle that I'm not going to talk about." Dean added, "You can talk about it all you want, because we have a team of 25-year-olds that have already surpassed you." (Laughter) Duncan fired back, "I think we passed you on FaceBook this last month." (Laughter)


Dean also spoke about the internet community.

We have a very, very strong view at the DNC about making sure that the internet does not fall under the control of the media. What the internet is is a community. These folks are citizens. They are entitled to say pretty much anything and they do, and some of them are responsible and some of them aren't, but the incredible thing about them is that I think the internet is a tool that can raise money and organize, but the internet is a community. It is a group of people who connect with each other, and there is no substitute for that. It is very, very different from the mainstream media, although the functions overlap. I love the internet....We all learn in social studies that we're not teaching you what to think we're teaching you how to think. This is an extraordinary invention and people need to become better critical thinkers as the internet continues to grow." This seemed to garner support from the crowd.


The video is already up at www.c-span.org






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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:44 PM
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1. Nice pic of Dean and Duncan from the NPC


Photo by Christy Bowe at Blog Press

I'm glad he doesn't think we are center right...center maybe...but not to the right. Despite those trying to drag us there we are not there.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 10:51 PM
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18. We won't be dragged, either..thanks to
people like Dean!
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:45 PM
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2. Heard part of this this morning - MUST SEE viewing
Edited on Wed Nov-05-08 05:46 PM by Phred42

Howard was Correct about everything
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:47 PM
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3. I was going to watch it but forgot. Glad it is on again tonight.
Edited on Wed Nov-05-08 06:00 PM by madfloridian
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:54 PM
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4. ooooh - thank you! Setting my DVR right now. -eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:02 PM
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5. I was glad to see it was on again today.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:10 PM
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6. More from another analysis.
Dean: "As a nation I think what we did was choose hope over fear. We chose the future over the past and we chose unity over division," he said. "I think the message of the election is clear. The American people have given all of us … a simple mandate: to work together to find big solutions to the big challenges that face our country."

He added, "That's what Americans have always done. And under President Obama's leadership we will do it again."

And while Duncan said the country remains a center-right nation, Dean said that the values of the Democratic party - defined by him as rewarding work over wealth, equality and justice for all and tax policies investing in the middle class - were proving ascendant because they were always "core American values."

"What we have lacked is a full time professional party to help communicate those values every single day and organize around them. And what we have lacked was a leader to inspire people to that cause," Dean said. "In Barack Obama, we have found that leader."

http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=766049&pageNum=2354_3548_2
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:22 PM
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7. Kick to set your timers for C-Span.
I have heard more about it being well worth the watch.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:49 PM
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8. Poor Howard. Dropped to 2nd page again...
while Rahm gets all the attention. I guess that is how it is meant to be.

That was quite a message to progressives, methinks.
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:58 PM
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9. yeah mad i am feeling some type of way.
i really think dean was a central part of this win. i appreciated tweety's remarks yesterday. i hope o either gives him a nice cushy spot or dean remains at the dnc. rahm emmanuel-we are not amused!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 09:27 PM
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15. Trying to unify and bring together...
with someone as divisive as Rahm has been is IMO not going to work. It really worries me.

I don't want to post all I have written about him the last few years, but he does not welcome people like me to the party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:43 AM
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24. Another concern...
Rahm is famous for his dislike of Dean, and it concerns me quite frankly about Dean's future in the party if Rahm is in such a powerful position. That is the bottom line. Carville and Rahm are close buddies, and that is part of the odd feelings I have.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 11:05 PM
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19. !
:puke: for Rahm.

If you don't like it, you're "attacking"
Obama.

Why do you hate Democrats, Mad?

By the way, congrats on Florida's bleu state!

(Think Rahm's appointment is payback for helping
with the Florida vote?)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 11:20 PM
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21. I don't have any answers as to why.
Glad we turned blue, but we did not win congressional seats which we should have won.

Jennings lost, the South FL Dems all three lost to the trio of the Republicans, the Diaz Balart brothers and Ileana Ros Lehtinen.

I don't know who else won or lost, but it was not happy time here for the legislature or for congress.

I have my ideas, but I've said them so much people are tired of hearing.

We should have had those seats. Others I was not sure about, but those we should have had.

And you are right...I find Rahm still disturbs me after the horrible things he said to and about Dean. I watched Dean on TV tonight, and I thought what a difference in character and manner between the two men.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 08:13 PM
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10. K&R
:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 08:19 PM
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11. Update: Looks like C-Span changed the time to 9:05
http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

They do stuff like that all the time.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 08:21 PM
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12. Some states are right-leaning, but the country as a whole is NOT
and that is one of those right-wing talking points that's driving me crazy.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 08:25 PM
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13. One of the Topics At Hand ...
Dean revealed his party used credit card data to predict voting outcomes. However, Democrats and the media have been highly critical of credit card companies that provide that data.

“We now can do what they can do,” Dean said. “We have your credit card data like they do. They’ve been for years doing something that we, until 2006, weren’t able to do. We can predict with 85 percent accuracy how you’re going to vote based on your credit card data without bothering to see what party you’re in – the Secretary of State’s office.”


http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081105172719.aspx
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 10:30 PM
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17. Sounds like an argument for regulation to me
Not that Dean seemed to be proposing regulation, but until no one is allowed to do it everyone WILL do it.

The rules have to be changed before we call on the party to hamstring itself.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 09:06 PM
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14. kickin
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 10:23 PM
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16. That was an excellent debate.
:toast: to our chairman.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 11:05 PM
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20. Rec and kick. Thanks for keeping Howard Dean in the forefront of our thoughts after this
inspiring victory.

Thank you, Chairman Dean!!

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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:16 AM
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22. Academic research
supports this:

“I don’t think this is a center-right country…we did a lot of polling when I first became Chairman. It turns out that most people in Nebraska, not exactly known for being a very liberal state, actually agreed with democratic positions more than they agreed with Republican positions if you put them in the words of each party.”

If the questions are asked in an unbiased way, a significant majority of Americans (in all states) lean left - they believe that the role of government is to protect the people, they believe that there should be a governmental safety net, they believe in public (aka, "socialized") education, they believe in a progressive tax system, they believe in a living wage, they believe in equal pay for equal work, ... I could go on.

For 30 years the Republican party has lied to the American people by couching these beliefs in deceitful and biased terms and the media let them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:23 AM
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23. Deceptive tactics. Dean phrased it nicely, but it was clear what he meant.
It was a nice forum, but Dean had to be careful not to talk about policy stuff.

I remember from 2003 that in just talking about issues he really shines. Too bad he can't do more of it.
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:49 AM
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25. You Go Howard Dean!
The center/right mantra is BS - America is now center/left and is going to head more left yearly because of the changing attitudes and political sense of young people.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:50 AM
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26. cool. maybe Obama will watch.
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