Any excuse will do

[SHRED]

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RW'ers are making up any and all excuses why Obama won, EXCEPT the fact that the majority agreed with his vision and ideas for America.

They cannot accept reality.
The RW is officially insane.

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[Idealism]

1. Agree

When they can't accept simple mathematics, they have lost any and all reasoning capabilities.

7 million more votes= must be stolen election!?!?11111

Fucking ignorant.

[mike_c]

2. perhaps you can explain to me just what Obama's "vision and ideas for America" are....

I've heard a LOT about "change you can believe in" and "change we need," but if you call that vision and ideas, I'm pretty disappointed. That's a slogan, not a vision.

I think people elected Obama because he's intelligent and inspires confidence, without having to get too specific, and because they were absolutely fed up with the messes republicans have made-- and left for others to clean up.

I'd like to agree with you, but I still don't have much of a clue what Obama intends beyond the slogans.

[Idealism]

3. respectfully I must disagree

If you read his speeches, his website, his policy statements, or those of his surrogates you would know what he intends. Now whether or not he can enact these things and get them passed remains to be seen, but he has been anything but silent about his plans. Examples of this would be: gradual withdrawal from iraq, encouraging diplomacy with countries we have ideological differances with (something bush refused to do), limiting our dependance on foreign oil through "green energy and infrastructure" spending programs (possibly akin to a WPA, neo- New Deal), targeted tax cut for the middle class to spur consumer spending (the only way our economy will grow soundly), and his plan for a nation healthcare plan-although I do admit his cost saving measures won't amount to the $2500 he says some have predicted in savings per year for the average family.

[mike_c]

4. ok-- I've heard most of those things...

...but just haven't had any clear sense of them except as talking points. I hope they come to pass-- although I'm not at all happy with the notion of a gradual withdrawal from Iraq-- that's just continuing the war crime WAY beyond its expiration date-- and I'm seriously disappointed by the outlines of Obama's health care reform statements, but again, we haven't really seen the specifics, so it's hard to say.

Anyway, I'm glad you (and apparently others) have a better sense of what Obama intends than I do. I really feel like I don't have a clear idea of what he hopes to accomplish.

[Idealism]

5. While I don't claim to know exactly what he intends

and that my statement was what I have deemed as reasonable from his proposals, I will be happy to further explain some of those critical components of his plan for America :)

As Thomas Jefferson put it, "Truth between candid minds can do no harm."