Fucking Chris Wallace on the Daily show, what a tit

[HEyHEY]

"THis couldn't happen anywhere else in the world." How does a news anchor become so fucking ignorant? Yeah, Canada, Britain, Germany, New Zealand... they're all WAY too racist to ever elect a black person :eyes:

It's just so fucking irritating.

[tuvor]

1. Tweety was saying the same thing last night.

You know how it goes.

[HEyHEY]

2. Why? WHY are they so fucking stupid?!

FYI; I may be leaving the mothership soon and crossing the street.

[tuvor]

6. Goodness.

I'll be listening best I can from Courtenay. Good luck, HH.

[JohnnyRingo]

3. I heard him say that "an Afican American has never been elected president in the Western Hemisphere"

Has that ever happened?
Did I miss the quote (I paraphrased)?

[HEyHEY]

7. Shit the president of Haiti might get POed at that

[JVS]

20. Haiti elects leaders?

I thought they used the junta/coup model of leader selection.

[HEyHEY]

24. They've elected before

[arcadian]

28. A junta/coup for over 200 years?

Come on now.

[JVS]

35. I was being glib, but according to wikipedia Aristide was the first Democratically elected leader...

of Haiti.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Bertrand_Aristide

So it did take a long time for Haiti to actually elect anyone.

[HEyHEY]

40. They still did

[JVS]

49. BFD

We know that the context of the interview is talking about a member of the black minority becoming president. Haiti was founded in a slave rebellion and is almost completely populated by black people. This makes the Haitian election of a black person a very different phenomenon. Of course, if you want to completely strip away the context of their conversation, you can say they were technically mistaken.

[HEyHEY]

51. The source of this argument was saying Obama was the only Western Hemisphere

Black leader.

[JVS]

52. You're right, He should have said Western Industrialized World instead of hemisphere.

But context tells everyone what they're really talking about.

[HEyHEY]

54. Oh yeah... keep narrowing it down!

Next thing it'll be "Industrialized nations with capitals that start with 'w'" :eyes: :-)

[JVS]

56. Have you spent any time in Europe? I've seen statues of minstrel show performers in a burger king!

There is a or how about this chain of grocery stores called McGeiz (McStingy basically) http://www.mac-geiz.de/ where one is invited to "experience scottish frugality". This place could use some cultural sensitivity training.


You're right to say that what has happened in America could happen in Canada, although it hasn't. And since we seem to be in a pissing contest kind of mood today, I'm going to invoke the technicality that your actual head of state is the Queen of England, whose successors will be white for at least the next 50 years (I think Prince William ought to make it to 70 at least), so it won't happen in Canada ;-)

[HEyHEY]

57. BUT, the Queens representative in Canada is a BLACK IMMIGRANT FEMALE!

So HA!

[JVS]

59. And Colin Powell was sent out to shill for Bush.

:shrug:

[HEyHEY]

61. He's neither female nor an immigrant, we get more points on the "PC" scale

[JohnnyRingo]

21. See, i'd never thought of that.

thanx for the edification.

[Fuzz]

71. Would be interesting to see an 'American' elected president of another country

of any descent. ;)

[laundry_queen]

4. I know.

Dh and I commented on that too.

[Ashy Larry]

5. You may be right

But we did it first! USA! USA!

;-)

[HEyHEY]

8. Considering you took so long to let black people vote, it's good you made it up.

Seriosuly though. What does "It" mean? Cause lots of countries have black presidents....And lots have minority presidents... Canada and Britain Included.

[Ashy Larry]

9. I was just kidding around but if you want to be snippy about it,

All of Canada's PMs have been white. All of Britain's PMs have been white. America is the first majority white country to elect a non-white President. Some Americans think that is something worth being proud of.

By the way, aboriginal Canadians didn't get the right to vote until 1960 so you only beat us by five years.

[HEyHEY]

11. I wasn't being snippy, I was just being conversational

But, if you're going to quote Canadian history, do it correctly. Aborigionals living ON the reserve got the right to vote then. ALso, Canada barely HAS black people and most of our ethnic troubles have been between French and English, both of which have been PMs many times. And we've had a woman PM too.

ALso, I'm not saying you shouldn't be PROUD of this I'm saying Can the "only in America" Bullshit, cause it ain't true and it makes ya sound like douchebags.

[curse of greyface]

30. That's also often the Europeans excuse...

But all our coloreds are "guest Workers' who live in special neighborhoods.

[HEyHEY]

38. Dude your country just denied gay people the right to marry

So let's not get too high on ourselves. And it's not an excuse, it's a fact. Canada's minorities are Chinese and Indian (REAL Indian). We just don't have many black people. And before ask, we HAVE had minority leaders provincially. We've just never had one run for PM. A big reason for that is the language thing. PMs need to speak english and french. With most of our non-white folk being immigrants, learning TWO new languages is a bit of a stretch.
I'd also like to popint out that Canada's Governor General is a haitian immigrant.

[curse of greyface]

47. I agree on the Canadian Minorities.

And it was California and Florida that voted against gay marriage. Don't lump the rest of the us in with that lot.

I was referring to France in particular whose intellectuals call us racists while they keep their Africans unemployed in Ghettos.

[HEyHEY]

50. And on that I agree.

Trust me, Canada stopped listening to France a LOOONNNGGG time ago!

My point is, be proud, just don't act like you're the only place it could happen. It really cheapens your win.

[orestes]

10. Well, I do think he brought up a good point about the French

electing a French-Algerian PM. A similar thought has actually been crossing my mind, not just in regards to France, but to all the white majority democracies. And yes, it does make me a teensy bit proud that we were the first, essentially, to do so.

[Dover]

12. I keep hearing that all over the media. Arrogance or ignorance?

The world is way ahead of the U.S. in many ways. I posted a story here not along ago about
Rwanda's parliament being HALF women, as was the ownership of businesses there.

RWANDA! Will we ever catch up?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=229x10511

[HEyHEY]

13. What gets me about it, is that there is so much the US can be proud of - so why make shit up?

[curse of greyface]

32. The Rwanda comparison is a bit disingenuous.

With so many off their men killed or are hiding out in Uganda.

[curse of greyface]

33. dupe

[Beregond2]

14. The point is, we are the first white-majority country to elect a non-white

person to the highest office, with the exception of Peru, who elected a Japanese president. He didn't phrase that correctly, but that is true. And hell will freeze over before you see that happen in any European country. As a citizen of a country that is perpetually maligned for our racial attitudes by countries that are infinitely worse, I think we are allowed to do some crowing right now.

[HEyHEY]

15. My point is this "Only in America" shit is not true.

Fine, be proud of last night, totally within your rights, but to act like everywhere else is SOOO racist it'll never happen is ignorant and insulting.

[Tartiflette]

19. I disagree with your comments

(Strange choice for a first post, but nonetheless...)

I disagree with the comment that hell will freeze over before you'll see this in any European country, and I too take offense at suggestion that this could only happen in America. I believe the demographics of many European countries have changed dramatically in the past quarter century, perhaps more akin to the latin american demographic change in the US than the african american population, which has been a significant minority for a couple of hundred years. It seems to me to be comparing apples and oranges, as to my knowledge (I will happily be corrected) no European country has had such a significant "coloured" minority for such a prolonged period of time. I daresay in 200 years we'll probably have seen one or two persons of colour leading european countries...

Out of interest, which other countries do you consider to be "infinitely worse", and why?

Further, if you take a look at NZ, you will see that in 1909 (yes, 100 years ago!!) NZ had an acting prime minister who identified as a Maori, ie "James Carroll, who had once worked as an interpreter in the House, was a key Maori politician a century ago. He was the first Maori to win a general rather than a Maori seat; no other Maori MP would do this until 1975. Carroll's central place in the Liberal party in the 20th century was recognised when he became acting prime minister in 1909 and 1911." Not elected, admittedly, but a person of colour holding the highest office in the country.

[Beregond2]

67. Well, let's see:

I don't recall America ever electing a party that advocated, and then carried out, a policy of systematic extermination of a minority (and don't site the native Americans, most of who were killed by disease.) And if you spend any time in Europe, you simply won't see minorities integrated into the power structures of those societies the way you do here. The fact that those minorities are largely recent immigrants makes that fact even more reprehensible, not less, as there aren't the burdens of history to overcome. Our history of slavery, civil war and legal oppresion of blacks makes this accomnplishment MORE remarkable, not less.

As for Canada, I don't know enough about it's history to comment. My remarks were largely aimed at Europe. But it is certainly a very, very white country compared to the U.S., so it is hardly in a position to judge.

That's very interesting about the Maori leader in NJ, but as you point out, it wasn't an elected position, and it was a long time ago.

[curse of greyface]

36. Hear Hear. nt

[6000eliot]

16. South Africa elected a Black president before WE did.

[curse of greyface]

37. Many countries in Africa did... your point? nt

[6000eliot]

69. South Africa went from overtly racist to electing a Black president before the United States did.

[JVS]

17. Germany?

Yeah, that'll be the day. Anyone presenting me with a printout of this post when a German citizen of Turkish ancestry becomes Chancellor is hereby entitled to a Döner Kebap and a beer.

[JI7]

18. i think Canada would, but he may be right when it comes to Europe

[garrick]

22. I'm not sure about europe at all

My reasoning may be flawed but hear me out: Soccer

Many European clubs have black players on their teams. And frequently those
players are racially taunted by their own fans. Now I realize the passion for soccer
in Europe goes well beyond anything here in America, but how screwed up in the head
do you have to be to call your own player a monkey and throw bananas onto the field?!

I'm being facetious,of course, you can't blame an entire country for the actions of
a few knuckleheads. But I've never understood that kind of hate. Although I did read
Hank Aaron's book "I Had A Hammer"...

I'm an African-American fascinated with Scandinavian culture. Perhaps in a former
life I was a longship viking warrior...

[Crunchy Frog]

23. His poor father must be so ashamed.

[liberalpragmatist]

25. "Where in the world except America, or possibly Canada..."

... one of my favorite Simpsons quotes.

I do think there's some truth to the Matthews and Chris Wallace statements, though. I *DO* think that Canada could very easily a racial minority to the premiership.

I think Europe will have to wait some time, however. I *do* think there's a good chance that sometime in the next few decades, the UK will elect an Indian or Black (West Indian) Prime Minister. But it's going to take a LONG time for France or Germany to elect a racial minority black or otherwise to their highest offices.

And there IS a great deal of significance to this election. Honestly, for many reasons, I think that the election of an African-American as US president is a more telling moment than electing, say, an Asian-American would be. The reason is the history of racism in the US. And while there has certainly been a great deal of racism directed towards Asian-Americans and non-white Hispanics, the central racial conflict in US political history has been that between blacks and whites.

When France elects a North African Muslim president or Germany elects a Turkish Chancellor, get back to me.

[HEyHEY]

29. We've had minority premiers, just not PMs

BC's premier was once an indo-canadian. Plus, there's New Zealand, who another DUer pointed out, had a minority PM in 1911. Then there's Austrlia and such...

[liberalpragmatist]

55. You're not disagreeing with my point

Has the racial history between Indo-Canadian and White Canadians been anywhere near as sordid as that between American blacks and whites?

And Maoris in New Zealand are heavily assimilated into the general population -- huge numbers of "whites" in New Zealand have Maori ancestry.

Australia has generally had some fairly significant racial issues in the past. I could see Australia electing an Asian PM. But a Black PM? Somewhat less likely. And really, the best analogy for Australia would be the election of an Aboriginal PM -- which I don't see happening for a long time.

[HEyHEY]

58. Here electing French PMs was the big milestone

[leftofthedial]

26. too racist

at least so far.

[HEyHEY]

27. Where is?

[leftofthedial]

31. all those countries that have so far failed to elect a chief executive of color

[HEyHEY]

39. Are you serious?

Canada is one of the least racist countries out there. And we allow Gay people to marry without putting it to votes!

[leftofthedial]

41. HEyHEY, I'm hardly ever serious.

ESPECIALLY when I'm talking about Canada.

[HEyHEY]

44. pheew

It's just you see so many strange things on this site.

[leftofthedial]

53. tell me about it brother

[AlCzervik]

34. watching the replay now, he's awful and non repentant.

[orestes]

42. Maybe this could happen "anywhere else in the world"

but, at least when it comes to Western democracies with majority white populations, it hasn't happened yet, and it doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon. I mean, how far away do you think Canada is from having a viable black, asian, or native candidate for PM? How far is France from electing a French-Algerian, even one that's Christian? Hell, how long do you think it would be before a Rom could get elected PM in any Western European country?

While what Wallace said was obviously hubris, I can't rightly attack him for it, since a similar thought has crossed my mind, and I'll be damned if I'm not proud of my country after this election.

[HEyHEY]

46. Be proud, just don't live under the delusion you're the only place it could happen

Fuck, Ujjal Dosanj has said he's considering running for Canada's PM next election. And I'll promise you, here, his race would not be an issue in the slightest.

[HEyHEY]

43. Because you guys are mixing up points, let me clarify

It's great you've elected Obama and been the first "White" country to elect a non-white head of state (Though New Zealand had one un-elected in 1911, according to another Duer). I think it's wonderful and you should be proud as hell... shit go gloat about it, I'll look on with a happy grin. But don't say that it couldn't happen anywhere else because it sure as hell could.

[orestes]

45. It could, but it hasn't

And While I think Canada certainly could do it, I'm not so sure about some of the European nations, at least not yet

[HEyHEY]

48. But because it hasn't doesn't mean dicks like Wallace can say "Only in America!"

I just think this kind of thinking takes away from the real victory of the win because at a time when the world's opinion of the USA just skyrocketed, comments like that bring it back down.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

60. Umm, hello? South Africa?

One could make the point that the narrative of American history and Barack Obama would never be the same somewhere else.

But that's splitting hairs.

[HEyHEY]

62. What about South Africa? I'm not sure I understand from which side you're coming.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. They elected a black president before the U.S. did.

Despite apartheid.

[HEyHEY]

64. Ah, but to be fair, it's a bit of a different scenario.. while there was apartheid

White people were a minority there.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. I understand the argument.

But it strikes me as very dismissive of their achievement.

South Africa's election of Mandela was just as big as the U.S.'s victory on Tuesday, but they did it years earlier.

[HEyHEY]

66. Oh for certain they accomplished alot much more quickly

Going from nothing to running the place was pretty impressive.

[JVS]

68. South Africa's election of Mandela essentially marked a successful independence movement.

While the previous South African government was technically an independent government, it can be considered as a colonial administration that was left behind by decolonization and ran the country on its own in the same manner as before.

[Orsino]

70. Wallace had a choice.

He could be jeered for seven minutes as just another Fox loser, or he could muster fake enthusiasm.

He chose not to own up to his network's failings. No surprise there.