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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:42 PM
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Stolen Election in Alaska? PLEASE READ.
This is from Shannyn Moore, and she is expressing what many of us are thinking. How else to explain that ALL of the polls were incorrect, even the Republican-sanctioned ones.

http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/stolen-election-in-alaska/

Something stinks. Not just an ordinary low tide smell. Not like something you’d blame on the dog. It smells like an infection. For me to plug my nose, I’d have to overlook some curious facts. In Alaska, more people voted for George W. Bush in 2004 than for Sarah Palin on Tuesday despite an identical 61-36 margin of victory. Yes. Only four years ago 54,304 Alaskans got off their sofas and voted for Bush, but decided to sit home and not vote for Palin in 2008. In turn, I have to ignore the 30,520 Alaskans who felt progressive enough in 2004 to vote for John Kerry, but weren’t inspired enough to get out and vote for Barack Obama. I would have to glance past the 1,700% increase in the Democratic caucus in February, the 20,991 newly registered voters, and the three largest political rallies in Alaska’s history. I would also have to forget the people I stood in a long line with to early vote. It would be helpful not to know every other presidential election since Alaska began keeping records has had a larger turn out than the one we just had with our own Governor on the ticket. Try not to remember 12.4% more Alaskans showed up for the August primary as compared to four years ago, before the Palin nomination. Don’t think about the Lower 49’s record voter turn out this year either. Try to delete the memory file, though difficult, that 80% of us approved of Sarah Palin just two months ago.

Something stinks. You don’t care? Obama won. Yes. He. Did! Free at Last! Wait. Democracy demands all of the votes be counted…if you can find them. In the balance hangs the fate of Alaska’s Senate House seats. We still don’t know if we have elected the now convicted felon Ted Stevens, or Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich. We still don’t know if Don Young and his million dollar legal problems will defeat former State Representative Ethan Berkowitz and his dreams of Washington DC. Alaska hasn’t had a Democrat represent us in Congress since Mike Gravel lost his senate seat in 1980.

Four years ago, 313,592 out of 474,740 registered voters in Alaska participated in the election-a 66% turnout. Taking into account 49,000 outstanding ballots, on Tuesday 272,633 out of 495,731 registered Alaskans showed up at the polls; a turnout of 54.9%. That’s a decrease of more than 11% in voter turnout even though passions ran high for and against Obama, as well as for and against Sarah Palin! This year, early voters set a new record. As of last Thursday, with 4 days left for early voting, 15,000 Alaskans showed up-shattering the old record set in 2004 by 28%! Consider the most popular governor in history-and now the most polarizing-was on the Republican ticket. Consider the historic nature of this race; the first African American presidential candidate EVER! The second woman to ever make a presidential ticket; and she’s one of our own. Despite that, we’re supposed to believe that overall participation DECREASED by 11%. Not only that, but this historic election both nationally and for Alaska HAD THE LOWEST ALASKA TURNOUT FOR A PRESIDENTIAL RACE EVER!!! That makes sense. REALLY??? Something stinks.

But wait, there’s more…

Pre election polls had both Mark Begich-D and Ethan Berkowitz-D solidly beating incumbents Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young by at least 6-10 points. Stevens is currently ahead by 3,353 votes with 49,000 ballots left to count. Berkowitz, however, is behind by 16,887 votes; a 51-43 margin. Are we to believe Don Young came from an 8 point average polling deficit to win by 8 points-a whopping 16 point turnaround??? Remember how historic the pundits thought Hillary Clinton’s come from behind New Hampshire Primary victory was? She trailed Barack Obama by 9% in the pre primary polls and ended up winning by 2 points. It was called the most “stunning comeback in political history.” On Election Night, Don Young topped Hillary Clinton’s startling and unprecedented comeback. Furthermore, there were nearly three thousand Alaskans, (2,783) that voted yet left the hotly contested congressional race blank. In the highly publicized senate race, complete with a nationally covered trial that ended with seven felony convictions for the incumbent, 1,392 Alaskans submitted a ballot and failed to register a vote in the senate race. I’m not sure statistically what that means, but it strikes me as odd that well over a thousand Alaskans would wait in long lines and not cast a vote in either the senate race or the congressional race-especially since there was only one ballot measure. In addition, this particular election had an extra high degree of local interest with Governor Palin on the national stage.

McCain-Palin was ahead in Alaska pre election polling by as much as 55-40. The Haysresearch Poll that came out Sunday indicated that gap had closed to 2.7 points! That poll was certainly consistent with Palin’s reverse meteoric fall in popularity within the state of Alaska. In that same Haysresearch Poll released on November 2, Question 2 addressed Governor Palin’s positive-negative rating. 11% of Alaskans surveyed said their opinion of Palin had become more positive while 37% indicated they were more negative towards Palin. Yesterday’s vote contradicts those polls. McCain-Palin won Alaska 61-36! A 25 POINT SPREAD!!! An identical point spread as the 2004 Election.

Alaska has certainly had our share of election hanky panky. Check out this link to our 2004 election results. There are 40 districts in Alaska. The Anchorage area districts run from District 17-District 32. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and pick any district from 17-32. Pay particular attention to the 3rd column labeled % turnout. Hit the back arrow and select another district. There are more precincts with voter turnout over 100% than under 100%. In other words, many more people voted in Anchorage area precincts than there were registered voters. Clearly, this is not possible. In 2006, the Democrats filed a lawsuit against the Alaska Division of Elections to release public records needed to verify the 2004 election results. The Democrats ALSO sought to have the Alaska Division of Elections release the raw election data for the 2006 election. With that history, and the bizarre anomalies in polling and voting and reports from the field of ballots not being scanned on-site due to broken machines, could this election have been stolen?

I’ve always said if Democracy was a religion, voting would be the sacrament. I’m wondering if someone stole the body and blood of this election. I’m wondering if the wine isn’t poisoned. Take a few whiffs. Breathe deeply. See if you don’t come to the same conclusion. Where are the votes? Something stinks at the Alaska Division of Elections.

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Shannyn, if you're reading, I hope you don't mind that I posted this in its entirety. It's too important not to be seen, and thank you for all you do. :hug:
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:45 PM
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1. K&R
Also on Huffpost.


COME ON BEGICH!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:48 PM
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It makes no sense, d_b
Granted, there are a lot of idiots up here, but these results really don't make sense, especially given all the polling that was done. I hope that Mark sticks with this and does a full investigation.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:53 PM
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5. yep yep
I went to beigch.com a few minutes ago and sent an email their way, asking Mark to fight. And I mean really fight.

I didn't send the Moore piece, but I'm sure a bunch of folks will.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:48 PM
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2. Dupe
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 12:48 PM by Blue_In_AK
I'm so mad I'm shaking, and I hit the enter button twice. :mad:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:53 PM
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27. Blue, remember when Lisa ran and she got over 100% of the vote
in about 18 districts? same thing.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 03:10 PM
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28. I just KNOW they're up to their old tricks.
I know the party folks made a little bit of a fuss last time, but it doesn't seem like they followed through as much as they could have. The excuses and explanations put out by the Division of Elections were just so lame and made no sense, and it seems like the party just sort of rolled over at that point. I hate to say it, but our state party is WEAK, WEAK, WEAK, and they make some really bad decisions, in my opinion anyway. (Of course, I'm a flame-throwing liberal socialist, so what do I know?)

We've got to find a way to wrest this state away from the corrupt bastards, though. I'm just SICK of them.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 04:55 PM
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35. I hear you, honey. I blitzed a note to the begich campaign about
this and told them not to cave. I loathe republicans. I always will.

RV, a flame-throwing socialist too.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:52 PM
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4. holy shit. this better get fixed by the Dems or they have no one to blame
but themselves/
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:55 PM
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7. I haven't been real impressed
with the state Democratic party hierarchy. This is their chance to redeem themselves in my eyes. Otherwise, some of us more radical types might have to take over.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:05 PM
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12. blue
it may be time for another of those park strip rallies.

I already have ideas for my sign(s)


seriously. You can't tell me we had lower turnout than in 04, that the % is the same.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:12 PM
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13. It just defies any kind of logic at all.
Between the enthusiasm for Obama and Sarah Palin being on the Republican ticket, there's no way in hell we had a lower turnout than 2004. I agree a rally is in order, and I'm sure we'll be seeing one soon. If I could turn myself into a thousand people, we'd ALL be there with signs. This just infuriates me.

My 23-year-old daughter called me after the election practically in tears over the Stevens thing. She just couldn't believe that her fellow Alaskans were so stupid -- I think her disbelief is justified. We AREN'T this stupid. I'm going to fire an e-mail off to Mark, too. This just can't stand.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:49 PM
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3. No BETTER place to investigate election fraud than a small, isolated population. nt
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:55 PM
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6. K&R.
Fishy.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:57 PM
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8. K and R and off to the greatest page and hopefully beyond.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:58 PM
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9. K&R
Something definitely stinks there.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:03 PM
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10. K&R - important!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:04 PM
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11. According to VerifiedVoting.org, there's a paper trail....
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:16 PM
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14. Y'all sure are mavericky up there!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:19 PM
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15. More pissed than mavericky.
I am so sick of these Republican shenanigans up here, I could scream. This has been going on for way, way too long.
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:22 PM
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16. WOW This is really terrible. It does not make sense.
KandR for truth and justice. This needs to be seen and investigated.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:32 PM
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17. I just sent an e-mail to Mark Begich
begging him to look into this. It's obvious something is definitely wrong. My suspicion is that the Republicans, knowing that Obama was going to win the presidential race, picked certain red states like Alaska in which to mess with the down-ticket results. Anything to keep the Democrats from getting that filibuster-proof majority. I'm sure they thought who would question Alaska voting for Ted Stevens again, or Don Young, after all their years in power. But I'm hoping, at least, that even Alaskans aren't so stupid as to re-elect a 7-time felon. Even some of the conservative talk show hosts here were saying they weren't going to vote for Ted -- they just couldn't bring themselves to do it. That's significant to me because he's had their support 100 percent in the past.

Republican corruption here is absolutely rampant and it has to stop. I thought with all the FBI investigations and such that they'd cool their jets, but apparently not.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:39 PM
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18. Isn't there a record of who showed up to vote?
Then it would be very easy to see if the total votes approximated the total number of voters. I realize that there would be some discrepancy due to non-votes in some races, but you would think the Presidential race would have a high percentage of votes versus total voters voting. (Am I making any sense?)
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:43 PM
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19. We do at least have paper ballots
but I'm so distrustful of the Division of Elections at this point. I'm sure there will be an investigation into this, just as there was in 2004 with the Knowles/Murkowski senate race -- which nothing ever came of, even though the figures never matched up. Corruption runs very deep here.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 04:43 PM
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33. Seems it would be simple to see if the number of ballots equal the number who signed in to vote. ??
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:51 PM
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20. Just saw this on the google home page posted at alaska report
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:00 PM
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21. Good for Shannyn!
I'm so glad to see this getting out all over. She has it posted at Huffington, as well. We just can't sit still for this crap AGAIN.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:11 PM
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23. I hear ya!
This is NOT the first time and I have had ENOUGH of this BS!

Thank you Shannyn!
:applause:

(Isn't she also a DJ on KUDO? I'll have to try to tune that in today)
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:08 PM
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22. I live in Georgia and think there was something rotten going on
again in this Presidential election, but I'm positive from what I've read here that you guys up there have us beat by a mile!

Thanks for posting, and good luck up there.

k&r
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:35 PM
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24. A comment on Shannyn's blog stands out.
Shannyn linked to the history of voter turnout from the Alaska Division of Elections in her article. If you click that link and look back to 1972, you will find that this election had a lower turnout than every presidential election held in Alaska since records were kept. We had great weather. We had two candidates that elicit more passion for and against than any candidate in recent history…

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THIS ELECTION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SOMETHING IS VERY ROTTEN IN ALASKA.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:37 PM
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25. Wow, the Alaskan Repuke party sounds
even more delusional than the national Repuke party--if that's possible. But even I thought the Alaskan numbers looked weird on election night, because McC/P was now where near that big a lead last time I looked before Tuesday, iirc, which apparently I did.

This is what happens when a party gets stuck in 1950's mentality--they don't understand they are under scrutiny 24/7/365, and have a trail of print and broadcast media behind them to expose their corruption. D'oh!

I hope something comes of an investigation this time, seeing that Alaska played so large a role in this national election.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:42 PM
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26. Gryphen at the Immoral Minority reports
WAS ALASKA'S ELECTION STOLEN? http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/

The title links to a post by my fellow Alaskan blogger and friend Shannyn Moore.

What she has to say will send a chill through the hearts of Alaskans all through this great state.

With all of the early voting, with excitement and participation at an all time high, we are supposed to believe that FEWER people voted in this election then voted in 2004!

You don't believe it?

Let's look at the math.

In 2004 there were 313,592 votes cast.

In this 2008 election we currently have counted 222,095 votes cast.

Now there are supposedly about 60,000 absentee ballots still to be counted, but that only moves the number to 282,095. And that still makes absolutely no sense!

We have spent months being the butt of jokes by late night comics as they watch the antics of our trailer trash Governor and her brood of misfits. I know for a fact that thousands of Alaskans were hoping to gain vindication by showing the world that they were ready for REAL change in this country and in our state. But instead we are led to believe that FEWER Alaskans showed up to vote then predicted and that the polls predicting a substantial victory for both Ethan Berkowitz and Mark Begich were wrong?

I call bullshit!

And if the Alaskan Republicans think that they can steal THIS election from Alaskans then they are sadly mistaken.

Update: Perhaps somebody can explain to me why the current number of votes cast for President number 222,095, while the current vote for the Senate race is only 220,373? Where are those missing 1,722 votes?

My advice to the Alaskan GOP is, if you are going to steal an election perhaps you should bone up on your math skills. Sloppiness will be your downfall.
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CampDem Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 03:25 PM
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29. There is no way that the polls were that wrong
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 03:36 PM by CampDem
I am pissed and call bullshit. The exact percentage from 2004?

I know that on election night there were massive amounts of people in downtown Anchorage with signs in and around Egan convention center until late at night. People were really, really excited here!

Every person I talk to voted for Obama and the down ticket democrats. People are so embarrassed, disgusted, and angry about Palin's behavior.

Voters came out last February in massive numbers to caucus during the worst cold snap of the year! It was frigging 20 below here in mild Anchorage and we had massive turnout with people walking miles in that deep freeze!

Election night was mild and we should have seen huge numbers. This is bogus and I am going to e-mail and donate right now.

These fuckers should not get away with this!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 03:30 PM
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30. Thanks, CampDem
We can't roll over this time. I just KNOW Alaskans aren't this stupid. What I hate the most is how this stuff is dampening the spirits of the young people. My 23-year-old daughter was practically in tears ... I just won't stand for that.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 03:39 PM
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31. Keep fighting. Never give up.
I am sure that many here & elsewhere support your efforts.

:thumbsup:
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GrannyK Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 03:53 PM
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32. Important !!! Topic!!!
Don't give up on this. Rec'd.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 04:47 PM
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34. K & R n/t
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:38 PM
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36. Maybe all those GOP lawyers sent to Alaska to 'vet' S. Palin
were applying patches or paying people off. They sure weren't 'vetting' while they were there...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:39 PM
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37. Legal fund forming and where do I send my money?
I hate these folks
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:28 PM
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38. This is being covered in the Anchorage Daily News now!
Go Shannyn!
:applause:

WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED IN ALASKA?
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/newsreader/story/580724.html

Homer blogger Shannyn Moore is raising the specter of a "stolen election" for Stevens. She's suspicious of an apparent drop in voter participation from the 2004 presidential election - from 66 percent then to 55 percent this week - even with Sarah Palin on the Republicans' national ticket.

That's a decrease of more than 11% in voter turnout even though passions ran high for and against Obama, as well as for and against Sarah Palin! This year, early voters set a new record. As of last Thursday, with 4 days left for early voting, 15,000 Alaskans showed up - shattering the old record set in 2004 by 28%! Consider the most popular governor in history-and now the most polarizing-was on the Republican ticket. Consider the historic nature of this race; the first African-American presidential candidate EVER! The second woman to ever make a presidential ticket; and she's one of our own. Despite that, we're supposed to believe that overall participation DECREASED by 11%. Not only that, but this historic election both nationally and for Alaska HAD THE LOWEST ALASKA TURNOUT FOR A PRESIDENTIAL RACE EVER!!! That makes sense. REALLY??? Something stinks.

Moore's item has been picked up nationally by The Huffington Post and The Daily Kos.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:28 PM
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41. Marty, she was also on KTUU tonight at 6:00.
Did you see her? There's something really weird going on here.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:09 PM
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39. Alaska: wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP, Big Oil and Veco.
Blue, you can't possibly believe this election WON'T be stolen? They did it in '04! Our turnout here in Fairbanks, from my own experience on Tuesday, was twice what I saw in '04 - and many, many more military folks in the polling lines.

If they can steal it, they will. Until we control Big Oil and dump the GOP in Alaska, they will OWN us.

Begich. Berkowitz. Brown (Dist. 9). Kawasaki (Dist. 10) et el - they all KNEW they were running way against all odds, and hoped that the Obama tide would send them into office on a mandate. Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a mandate in this state unless it's signed off by the mining, oil, forestry and GOP interests.

But I'll still work my :dem: off to see that we turn things around.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:31 PM
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42. A pollster on Rachel Maddow tonight
said that the national Democratic Party should send lawyers here ASAP to monitor what's going on. It's just way, way too bizarre. The polls are completely out of whack, and to say that voter turnout was the lowest in a presidential election here EVER is just too far out to even contemplate. We can't stand by and let this happen again.

And I agree with you, Tony Knowles got robbed big time in 2004.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:32 PM
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43. Blue, we may be a small state population-wise
but DAMMIT we deserve democracy too!

I hope to GOD the feds get involved, and check EVERY election for the past 20 years. I don't really care which side is cheating in what state - anyone caught cheating has robbed us ALL of our democratically-elected representation in the House and Senate. It makes me sick :puke:

It also pisses me off big-time. I haven't missed voting in a local (including referendums), state or national election since 1972, even having voted absentee on occasion. I KNOW what I saw here in Fairbanks during Tuesday's vote, and I've never seen the polls so busy.

Knolls was ripped off, now Begich and possibly Berkowitz - some of our local folks (John Brown for one) are looking like they're idiots for even thinking of being on the same ballot with an (R) next to it....... where does it end? I've already filed an FEC complaint (http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/complain.shtml) but to be honest? I don't think they'll act on anyone's complaint unless the big-wigs in our Party get behind us. The Dem party in Alaska has been weak for so long, no one in the opposition expects any action - and that's exactly what they get. Inaction. 2004 was so fucking blatant that I am still amazed nothing happened at all.

OK, so I'm spending a schizophrenic week - elation at our national gains, and depression at the problems our state faces. I hate to say it - but bring back the 60's and 70's when fair elections really happened!

:hug: Blue - it may take OUR lifetimes, but at least our grandkids votes will count. (Little William was 2 on the 28th, and we had a really fun Halloween, I'll email you some pics later on.)

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:45 PM
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44. Hey, you know what?
I've been talking to quite a few REALLY pissed off people down here who think the bigwigs in the state party are pathetic. I think we progressives are going to have to get proactive with them and insist that they do the right thing or we'll have to take over. We have to get some serious fighters in there or the Republicans are going to continue to walk all over us.

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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:37 AM
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45. I'll try some of our local D's who hold office, too.
Kawasaki and Guttenberg are always, always there for any Dem, statewide.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:43 PM
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40. Rachel Maddow talking about this
tonight.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:08 AM
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46. k&r n/t
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:34 AM
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47. My god, I hope the democrats are looking in to this mess!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:50 AM
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48. There can be no doubt....Evil always trumps stupid.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:56 AM
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49. Roll through the numbers and then consider how they would work with 14,000 votes added
I listened to the numbers last night and it occued to me immediately that it looked like about 14,000 votes had simply been removed from the count. Add that many back in and the polls start to come into close agreement with the results.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:33 PM
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50. this has to be investigated-now
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