Howard Dean vs. Rahm Emanuel: Whose side are you on?

[derby378]

Now that Emanuel is going to be Obama's chief of staff, does this mean the DLC is making a comeback? Or is Howard Dean's grassroots approach still setting the tempo for the party? Vote!

[Dr.Phool]

1. Howard all the way.

He had the vision.

I won't waste my time trashing Rahm Emmanuel.

[uppityperson]

2. Obama. eom

[stillcool]

3. I have to pick between..

Rahm Emanuel and Howard Dean?

[derby378]

5. There is a fourth option...

:hi:

[onehandle]

4. Tie. They are both valuable to the party.

Do DUers doubt Obama's first decision as President-Elect?

Hmm?

[Greyhound]

8. Define valuable. n/t

[fla nocount]

12. Yes! Blue Dogs have one purpose.

Cat food.

[derby378]

29. "I respect faith, but doubt is what gets you an education." - Wilson Mizner

:bounce:

[GOPNotForMe]

6. False dichotomy. nt

[Pastiche423]

9. Why, in your opinion, is it false?

[Pastiche423]

7. HOWARD DEAN!

No contest.

[wryter2000]

10. This thing doesn't work

DEAN DEAN DEAN DEAN. It only counted me once.

Although, I have to agree that the question doesn't make much sense now as they're not in competition to run the party any longer.

[katty]

11. Go Howard--he worked so hard for this win

[cali]

13. olives and oranges.

I love my guv. Not so high on Rahm, but I know that Emanuel can effectively move President Obama's agenda through Congress. He's worked both ends of that equation and done it well.

[Liberalynn]

14. Neither

[fla nocount]

15. There's nothing stopping us from telling the good doctor how WE feel.

BO knows who the BOSS is.

http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/chairman

[theboss]

16. They are both very very very important

Howard Dean was right about the 50 state strategy, which was a long-term plan.

Rahm was right about targetting weak Republicans in conservative districts. Which was a short-term plan.

The best teams often consist of people who hate each other.

[lennytee]

20. from an old Deaniac...

Howard Dean - visionary
Rahm Emanuel - enforcer

[theboss]

22. Jack Kennedy needed Bobby Kennedy

Bobby was a kneebreaker in his early days in politics.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. Both Have Been Very Effective In Bringing The Democrats Back To Majority Status.

[bahrbearian]

49. YOU WILL NEVER ADMIT TO HOWARD DEANS SUCCESS WILL YOU

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

50. Not Sure What You're Talking About. I Readily Admit His Success.

He did an absolutely amazing job and has my utmost thanks. Not sure why you'd feel the need to scream out such a weird and illogical concept.

[bain_sidhe]

18. I'm on Obama's side

Period. I will respect his judgements about who he needs to help him be an effective President.

[Va Lefty]

19. The good Dr. speaks for me.

[Recursion]

21. Rahm's great at operations

He's a good "ops" guy, which is why I like the pick. His problem was doing the vision thing: he confused tactics and strategy.

[texasleo]

23. Rahm

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

24. I'm on the side of the people who don't give a shit about this petty nonsense.

In other words, PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT.

[Joe Fields]

31. yeah, and frankly that's too goddamned many of you...

(who don't give a shit, that is...)

[WildEyedLiberal]

35. Maybe because we'd rather, I dunno, get shit done?

Go ahead and wank off into irrelevance with this party civil war crap. The rest of us will bury that shit where it belongs - in the graveyard of primaries past. We HAVE a party leader, and it's not Howard Dean OR Rahm Emmanuel. This shit needs to stop, now.

[Crabby Appleton]

25. I'd rather stand with -- Obama's choice

he won the election.

[Libertyfirst]

26. I trust Obama to choose his team. Think about the campaign staff

he put together. We can be confident that he will certainly give his governmental team as much thought as he did the campaign team.

[Generator]

27. Obama probably wouldn't be prez without Dean

Maybe that sneaky Obama is going to turn Rahm. That's my best hope.

[WildEyedLiberal]

28. Can we stop fucking fighting the 2004 primary?

This post reads like a time warp from 2005. Are you going to create a "Kennedy vs. Carter" poll next? Or "Tsongas vs. Clinton"?

This shit is beyond old.

[Joe Fields]

30. You obviously need to pay closer attention, really.

This is a valid poll. The soul of the democratic party is at stake.

[Sebastian Doyle]

32. Rahm Emanuel was in the 2004 primary?

Funny... I remember Dean.....Kerry.....Edwards.....Clark....Kucinich......nope, don't recall Rahm being in there :shrug:

[WildEyedLiberal]

33. Oh don't be obtuse. This Dean vs DLC crap is vintage 2004

And obviously some factions are more interested in perpetuating a bullshit intraparty war and stirring up old grudges than moving FORWARD.

[Sebastian Doyle]

34. The only way to move FORWARD

Is to rid ourselves of the ones who helped put the country in this mess. And it's easy to point fingers at the Repukes. But the Republicans with the "D" after their name are just as guilty.

Fuck the DLC. If they ever were of any use, which is questionable, they aren't now.

As for Emanuel himself, I think putting him as Chief of Staff has an element of genius to it. He won't be claiming Obama's senate seat, and he won't be forcing any more real Democrats out of Congressional races to make room for Republican DLC'ers.

Another example of expert Obama strategy. :)

[WildEyedLiberal]

36. That's my point - Obama is calling the shots now, not the DLC, or Dean, or whoever else

I'm on OBAMA's side, because he's the President-Elect and the man I voted for. He is far too smart and cool to get bogged down in the stupid petty factionalism that some on this board seem obsessed with. He isn't DLC, but he won't kick them to the curb, either. I know he won't please the ultra lefties on DU, but frankly, that's not his job. That said, if the lefties give him a chance instead of immediately demanding that he acquiesce to their every demand and refuse to even speak to or acknowledge centrist Dems, I think they'll end up pleasantly surprised. Obama is smarter and craftier - in a good way - than most other politicians I've seen.

[Breeze54]

38. Do you have a crystal ball? What do you base your predictions on? Could it be....

Obama's past votes?

How are you so sure of which way he'll go?

What do you know that most of us aren't sure about

and why does it bother you that people here even discuss it?

He was elected president, not King!!

[WildEyedLiberal]

40. Obama wasn't even mentioned in the OP

Discuss Obama all you want. At least he's relevant, unlike the idiotic Dean vs. DLC wars.

[Breeze54]

43. You are so out of the loop, it's pathetic.

:eyes:

[WildEyedLiberal]

44. Wow, what a lucid argument

You convinced me.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever seen you post anything other than gibberish or childish insults.

:eyes:

[Breeze54]

46. No argument... just an observation. It would take to long to 'catch you up'!

I am truly in disbelief. :eyes:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

48. Thank you Breeze.

:applause:

[Breeze54]

37. How about Kucinich vs Clinton... top DLCer? Vintage presidential primary 2008?

:shrug:

"Those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it."

[WildEyedLiberal]

39. Oh, was Dean involved in the 2008 primary? I guess I missed that.

The OP refers to Dean, not Kucinich. I see no reason to bring Dean up out of the clear blue other than to refight the stupid factionalism that plagued this board from that election until Obama clinched the nomination.

News flash: the "top DLCer" LOST the 2008 primary. The "war" is over. Democrats chose their side. So why are we still fighting the same tired old battles that were decided months and years ago?

[Breeze54]

41. YES...DEAN WAS INVOLVED!!!

If it wasn't FOR Dean's incredible 50 State Strategy, we would NOT have won this election!!

He deserves our gratitude and applause!! A true statesman and a patriot!!

[Breeze54]

42. "The "war" is over. ".... W.T.F. ?!

Your inexperience is showing.

[WildEyedLiberal]

45. You're grasp of the English language is showing

:eyes:

[Breeze54]

47. If all else fails, use misspellings to shore up your argument...

:eyes:

You are itching for a fight but you won't get one here. You'd bring a knife to a gun fight, that much is obvious.

Have a great night in La La Land! :eyes: Perhaps you should take some time to re-read a little about the goings on

in the last 8 years? It might serve you well, then again, maybe not.