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Bippity Boo Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:17 AM
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yo, let's celebrate the election of the first black president by blasting blacks over measure 8!!!
Sarcasm, but it seems to be the classy inclination of many here.

:patriot: Obama, yay! Black people of California, nay! :patriot:

Whatever, people. I thought we won the presidency by working together.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:19 AM
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1. who?
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:20 AM
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2. I'm not gay but I'm pissed. blacks support prop 8 doesn't make
any sense to me. and Yes I'm black, and I've heard all of the reasons for being against gays and none of them make sense.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:22 AM
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3. What is your suggestion as to educating religious fundamentalists
whether they be white, black or latino, who harbor bigoted opinions about same sex couples?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:24 AM
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:30 AM
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5. exactly! that's the problem.
and people have to understand we're not talking about DUers, or ALL Catholics etc... it's just that a majority of them voted for prop 8. When I saw 75% of AA females voted for it, I was very saddened. Whites barely voted against it, but they did, and the younger they were the more they voted against it. It's not about getting on AA's! It's just trying to discuss the problem - Obama was very brave bringing up the way the AA community treats the subject of AIDS, and he brought up Gay rights at that one forum with the AA leaders. Of course, having only about half of SF voters vote also didn't help!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:34 AM
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6. Any indication as to why SF participated at such a low level?
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:35 AM
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7. A little more SF participation and the measure would have failed.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:40 AM
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8. Well, it's kind of hard to lay blame on another group, when the group
affected most by the passage of the bill, chooses not to participate. I don't understand the over-the-top vitriol directed at the black community for the passage of this travesty of a bill. Sounds like there wasn't a lot of outreach to Blacks and Hispanics from the opponents of the bill.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:30 AM
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10. in the final week there was HEAVY airplay of the Samuel L Jackson voiceover ad
that showed Japanese Americans in internment camps in the 40's, and the discussion of Latinos not being allowed to marry whites - but WHERE was the reference to AA's and any of the racism they faced - they should have put that in there to help make a connection with them - the ad ran A BUNCH!
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:04 AM
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13. You know with certainty that those most affected chose not to show up?
That vitriol thing sure does get around. :D

I don't mind taking some heat for low voter turnout. I'll even concede that "some of those most affected by the passage of the bill" didn't vote.

But I'll invite anyone to look at gay voting patterns regarding core constituency issues in the Democratic party. We consistently show up for progressive candidates and issues. Shucks, we even put on a good show for pragmatist and moderates. We are nothing but loyal to the many constituencies within the party.

Even if all the fags showed up and managed to defeat Proposition 8, we'd still be cold cocked by the reported 70% "Yes on 8" vote.

It's an astounding legacy for a legion of voters motivated by hope and change. It is.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:43 AM
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9. Is everyone is SF gay?
I don't know the numbers in San Fran but I also know there are folks in San Francisco that are conservatives. But really, how do we know that the majority of No votes weren't the majority of gay folks in SF?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:35 AM
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11. Revoke their tax exempt status and use existing IRC provisions to hold them responsible.
It is against IRC provisions for any officer or director to allow or direct a charity to spend funds for political purposes. The tax exempt status of political churches should be revoked, and the guilty officers and directors should be required to personally pay back to the charity any funds misspent on political matters. Of course, removal of those offending officers and directors would be required.

This would not require any new law or new code provisions, merely enforcement of existing provisions.

Given the choice between staying out of political matters and losing their tax exempt status, they'll choose the latter.
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AyanEva Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:40 AM
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12. As an AA, I was pissed at first
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 02:48 AM by AyanEva
about the initial reaction against the AA and Latino voters in CA but then I thought about it over the course of a day or two and tried to read everyone's posts objectively. I can see the other side of the argument and for the moment, I'm going to put aside the debate over party x blaming party y, fairly or unfairly. It's inescapable that a majority of AA voters did indeed vote for the measure and it's disappointing but not surprising. So I posted about what might be done in my LJ and I came up with this: *nervously posts her (probably stupid) idea (that will likely fail to have any effect at all)*

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OK I'm becoming more understanding of everyone's positions regarding the Prop 8 issue. I've been trying to read through EVERYTHING without bias, not take some comments so personally, and see all the sides. A day or two later, it's easier to step back and figure out what the hell is going on. I've been thinking about this all day and one thing I don't want to see are strained relations within this democratic, small d, coalition. So I was thinking that maybe we can try this and spread the idea around some sort of way:

http://change.gov

The President-elect is letting us give his administration suggestions about what to tackle first and what to add to the agenda. If we get a shitload of people asking him to take a firmer stance against anti-gay measures, we would at least make sure he knows that this is a top priority issue. He might not be for gay marriage specifically but he is for equal rights, which is a start and the first step. Obama has quite a bit of leverage and I agree with the pundits who say it's better for him to present the BIG platforms now while his favorability rating is 1000000000%. Obama's good at selling stuff to people.

Putting aside party X fair or unfairly blaming party Y, I do recognize that the conservative religious elements of these two populations are ones that an Obama administration, backed by WE THE PEOPLE, has the power to influence and shift to the left, particularly the AA community. We're basically wrapped around his little finger, tbh. He's leading ALL of America but he's also now the de facto leader of the AA community in particular.

So on change.gov, Obama is letting the electorate tell him what we want and I say we take him up on the offer and make it clear that we won't tolerate equal Civil Rights for some but not all. I think he'll understand. I know he will. If he leads the party to use stronger language in it's civil rights platform with regard to equal protection under the law for sexual orientation and we put that on a national stage, I think we can start to sway the previously mentioned segments of the population to at least be more tolerant or open to talking about the issue. That's a huge start. I think there should be a summit in his first three months in office where the President-elect meets with leaders from all different groups and causes, including religious leaders. Get each group in a room separately and lay things out, then put everyone in a room face to face and facilitate a respectful discussion. I think that's the major problem is that people aren't talking to each other. If there's one thing that Obama has shown us, it's that it's possible to understand each other and come together despite our differences and then you can take it one step further and move forward.

Nothing is impossible. The fact that Obama is President-elect is proof of that.


So what do you guys think? Does it sound like at least one tiny plan of attack from one very tiny angle?

Feedback plz?
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eep! *hides*
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:39 AM
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14. This is probably one of the best ideas I have read yet.
Something tells me that unless we get Obama involved in this, we'll continue to fight far too hard for far too little.

Would you consider making this a post all its own so we can recommend it?
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