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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:31 PM
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The Washington Post Also Thinks Something is Wrong
with Alaska's Turnout, quoted in The Immoral Minority http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/

Elections officials, party leaders and voters are wondering what happened this Tuesday in the Last Frontier, where turnout was surprisingly low and two lawmakers who have been the focus of FBI corruption investigations appear to have been reelected despite polling suggesting they would be ousted.

The final voter turnout numbers won't be available until absentee ballots are counted, which could take at least another week. But this year's total is not expected to eclipse Alaska's 66 percent turnout in 2004 or its 60 percent clip in 2000. (This is especially odd given that Alaska's Board of Elections saw a 12.4 percent hike in turnout for the August primaries, before Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was selected as the Republican Party's vice presidential nominee.)

Alaska returns (without the uncounted absentee and contested ballots) show the McCain-Palin ticket garnering 136,348 votes. In 2004, President Bush got 190,889 votes, a "significant disparity", the Anchorage Press reported. "These numbers only add to the oddity of this election in Alaska; in the run-up to Tuesday, Alaskan voters seemed energized to vote for a ticket with our governor on it, despite the barrage of criticism Palin faced."

Couple the dip in support for McCain-Palin with surprising victories for longtime Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, who was found guilty Oct. 27 on seven felony charges, and Rep. Don Young, who is under investigation by the FBI, and a lot of pollsters and voters were left stumped.

"Stumped" does not even begin to adequately define my feelings on this. I am outraged.

This was the most important election of our generation and we are supposed to believe that the turnout was less then in 2004? But the number show that when Bill Clinton ran in 1994 our turnout was 82.9%. Really? Clinton outdrew Obama ? In what universe is that possible?

The amazingly accurate website fivethirtyeight also recognizes that things are not adding up in my home state. They start their analysis with this statement:

There are three plausible explanations I can think of to explain this discrepancy.

The they go on to make two fairly intelligent, and almost plausible explanations for why the numbers seem low. But this is Alaska and I know better, so let us skip to number three which reflects my own paranoid take on this topic:

The third possibility is that a lot of those "questionable" ballots are Democratic ones, and that there have been irregularities in the voting tally. Although this is the least likely possibility, Alaska is a provincial state with some history of corruption, and Democrats ought to be making sure that too many of their ballots haven't been disqualified.

BINGO!!

So the approach I am going to take is to assume that there is some hanky panky being perpetrated by the Republicans and to act accordingly. I base this on past elections, and by the number of Republican politicians currently sitting behind bars. (Soon to possibly include Ted Stevens who is currently leading in his race for the Senate. Seem plausible?)

So today I started making phone calls.

I called the Alaska Democratic Party.

I called the Mark Begich campaign.

I called the Ethan Berkowitz campaign.

And I called the Obama campaign.

I talked to all of them off the record so I will not yet divulge exactly what I learned, but I will say that I am not the only one wearing my tinfoil hat today.

But as for myself, even though the election is over it does not mean I am not "fired up and ready to go"! And I bet I can find a few other people who feel exactly the same.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:33 PM
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1. I'm pretty convinced...
Alaska is the most corrupt state in this nation.

It's up to the people who live there to say "enough", but I'm starting to think they like it just the way it is.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. We LIKE it???
Are you nuts? Why do you think these bloggers are all jumping up and down and getting red in the face?

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akwapez Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. Question for you Blue
I know you have been having to defend your state a lot lately. I feel for you. Would you agree with the above statement that AK is the most corrupt in the nation?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I would agree with the corrupt part
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 02:21 PM by Blue_In_AK
but I don't agree with the "we like it" part. From talking with the people I know, and judging from opinions and letters in the paper, most of us are thrilled that the Justice Department and the FBI have chosen to come in here and flush the scoundrels out. The ordinary citizens of Alaska are VICTIMS, not participants. That's why I took a bit of umbrage of the assertion that we "like it."

If anything, we have been naive and too trusting.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #11
41. Hey I'm from California and we definitely gave ourselves a black eye this election!
We are also the state that unleashed Ronald Reagan, Nancy Pelosi and Dianne Feinstein on the nation. And our present Gobernator is the Gropinator hisself! He's now wanting to raise taxes to fix the fiscal mess. Funny how he becomes a tax an spend 'Democrat when it suits him.

People aren't attacking Alaskans. It's their leaders, but only when they're corrupt.

You're doing a great job of keeping us updated. Don't stop.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. Shouldn't you have a Total Recall on the Gropinator?
He seems to have come full circle. Gray Davis raising taxes is how he got the job. Why would it suddenly be acceptable now?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #41
46. A "black eye"?? No ya'll cut off your nose to spite your face.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #46
64. I did?
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keekers Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. Alaska page of Blackboxvoting.org will help you see what is being reported.
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/129/129.html

Go to Blackboxvoting.org, where Bev Harris was a citizen who found the official records in the trash in Florida in 2004, so she followed up with others and have a website called blackboxvoting.org to follow every bit of evidence discovered. They published a book on how elections got stolen and a booklet on how to recognise when one is being stolen in 2008.

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/129/129.html
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #41
49. Don't forget: we gave Nixon to the Nation as well!
:puke: :puke: :puke:


And as for Alaska being the MOST corrupt state: well, Louisianna's given that title a try a few times. We all have our pond scum that needs to be expunged; please let's not pick on AK.

In the interest of full disclosure, the airline I work for in San Francisco is called by a state name--and that state happens to be a few thousand miles to the north of my own! I know a lot of people from that state and they're all good and decent--albeit far less progressive than I. But this is America, and they have the right to their views.

Of course, our views have trump theirs rather resoundingly! All hail democracy!
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cannabis_flower Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. For most corrupt state I nominate my home state....
Texas. We had Tom Delay and both Bushes. Don't forget John Tower, the Sharpstown scandal and of course the Kennedy assassination. Oh and Enron.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. Most corrupt state? Louisiana hands down.
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kywildcat Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #55
61. My Grandmother always said
Louisianna and Kentucky are the 2 most corrupt states in the union.
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #41
50. Duke CunningSCAM as well n/t
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #11
52. The way I understood it....
I would say that the person meant only the people who actually engage in the corruption actually like it...

the rest of you guys (i.e. the honest ones) definitely don't...


Still, it's gotta suck living in a place where that sort of shit happens and people automatically think you're all in on it...

I think we all understand that not everyone in AK is a dirtball...


:)
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:11 PM
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10. I know you don't like
Your posts over the past year or more have helped keep me up-to-date on the shenanigans going on up there. If it weren't for you I wouldn't know about Veco scandals More importantly, I would have missed that trial testimony about the mix-up between the viagra and the sleeping pill.

Keep up the good work. You and the AK bloggers have been a great asset to the rest of us.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
26. examples a-plenty
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:35 PM
Response to Original message
2. Rec'd~ and a
Kick for Investigations.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:37 PM
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3. Count on us for any battle, Blue.....
and same to our Georgia brothers and sisters.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #3
17. thank you...we need it here in GA too
we've got to clean the garbage out.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. Any chance of getting a paper-based election system any time soon, i.e., a democracy?
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. I have a friend who works on computer voting machine
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 05:04 PM by CitizenPatriot
security and he and his organization had requested paper ballots here and were promised them-- he is going to be writing LTTE and insisting on paper ballots for the run off.

It's absolutely ridiculous what has happened here, Alaska, etc.

I am quite sure it was a LANDSLIDE and that Diebold shaved off a few points for the sake of saving face for the GOP. BTW, I was just at the drive through of my bank and the plastic tube you put your money in says "Dielbold". Wonder if they are going to start losing money and paper slips, too, or is it just when we vote that their computers never work?

My friend told me that the Diebold voting machines have never been accredited. They are security nightmares.

Edited to add: Just got an email from him that the problem here was:

Apparently, NIST has taken note of the Windows CE problem. So this
might blow up big time very soon, as a government body has now
acknowledged that something was not "reported as being reviewed..."
and that they needed to be reported and reviewed . OR they might find
some way to sweep it under the carpet. NIST released a document acknowledging the problem today.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #24
53. It is an interesting note you have there

"Apparently, NIST has taken note of the Windows CE problem. So this
might blow up big time very soon, as a government body has now
acknowledged that something was not "reported as being reviewed..."
and that they needed to be reported and reviewed . OR they might find
some way to sweep it under the carpet. NIST released a document acknowledging the problem today."

Apparently the writing is on the wall now at NIST and they see a non crony run government coming so they now realize they have to actually do their job for real! Not like they have, fraudulently, for the past eight years!


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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #53
62. He is deep enough in the loop, I guess, to get this info
honestly, I don't know half of what he is talking about most of the time, as computers are not my thing AT ALL. But he's a brilliant guy, who has been fighting this fight for a LONG time. They did come up with a system that is secure, but of course it didn't get approval to be used. It was on the ballot in CA a few years ago and didn't pass.

Diebold had a big in with their Republican friends, so of course they got the contracts. What I can't believe is that the machines here in GA were NEVER certified.

What a sad statement. I hope you're right about NIST sensing the winds of change. This BS should be ended NOW.

As Spoonamore said, he'd like his candidate to win, (he's a Repub), but win fairly. All we want is a reasonably accurate and fair process.
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WarbirdForObama Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:40 PM
Response to Original message
5. K&Red
Go get 'em Blue
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:51 PM
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6. Three areas to review.
How did results in previous elections compare as a percentage?

Was the turnout about the same in all voting locations or a disparity in some or all?

What were the lines like at the polls in Alaska?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. The thing I find really bizarre
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 02:00 PM by Blue_In_AK
is that McCain/Palin apparently had fewer votes that Bush/Cheney in 2004. That makes no sense at all unless the phantom missing voters voted for McCain/Palin and then split to vote for Mark Begich for Senate, which is not as unlikely as it may sound. Mark took pains during the campaign not to badmouth Sarah, and she is not part of the old-line Republican establishment here. I still think this is all about the Senate seat.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:03 PM
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8. If the Obama camp doesn't have lawyers & voting machine experts in ALL 3 states GA, AK & MN expect
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 02:04 PM by GreenTea
the republicans to steal all three senate races easily....All three races have obvious manipulations & hacking invovled.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. AND, they were fully warned.
:(

What's sad, and particularly ironic is that Al Franken INSISTED that there was no such thing as Election Fraud.

Well, Al,.... it came back to bite you, didn't it?
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #15
38. Al Franken was personally given
copies of the Salon.com articles on electronic voting articles by yours truly on a book tour...years ago. He didn't seem interested then, but I wonder if he's singing a different tune these days.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #38
59. Thank you for doing that... it's his loss that he ignored it.
I really can't feel too sorry for him.

Poetic Justice and all that.

Last night I came to the conclusion that, while we really do need that Senate seat, with his willful ignorance it's just as well he didn't make it. It gives the chance for Minnisota, which, after all, is the Paul Wellstone state, to put in someone further one who is much more like Wellstone.

It's all just sad. :(
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MNReformer Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. We'll see after the recount if he won or not
And hopefully it will disclose whether or not our machines are trustworthy and our election process is adequate.

Franken isn't the only one who was "warned". I personally warned our SOS as did others.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #15
47. What I find so amazing is that
the Washington Post is actually reporting this!
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #47
54. See reply #53 above. The writing is on the wall now that Obama has won!
I hope!!!!

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #47
60. Better late than never, I guess. ^_^
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UnitedWeStand33 Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #8
66. What institution certifies that elections are not rigged? - is it working?

Power corrupts, the stakes are high, attempts to rig vote outcomes should be expected as a norm rather than exception.

A free media and associations like DU help expose the ruling party forgetting to count votes in favor of the opposition. Call me naive, and I am no lawyer, yet I had hoped there are strong institutional checks to assure vote anomalies are spotted, investigated and prosecuted.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:20 PM
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12. Is there any particular Alaska official suspected of hanky panky?
What Alaska state official is in charge of securing the voting process? Is it the Secretary of State of Alaska? Is there a Palin crony suspected of being at the bottom of this?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. We don't have a secretary of state.
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 02:42 PM by Blue_In_AK
Lieutenant Governors are in charge of elections here, and this cycle it happens to be Palinista Sean Parnell. In 2004, it was fundie Lieutenant Governor Loren Leman -- or as I like to call him "Ichabod Crane." I'm sure there's some backroom power jockeying going on in the Alaska Republican party between the fundie Republican Sarahbots and the economic conservatives/friends of Big Oil, so it's hard to say if this is motivated by Stevens supporters, Palin supporters or the national Republican party trying to prevent that 60-seat majority.

2004 was a suspicious election here, too. It never made sense that in the same election where we voted overwhelmingly to ban gubernatorial appointments because we were so mad that Frank Murkowski appointed Lisa to his vacated seat, we then turned around and re-elected her to the appointed position. We also had instances of some precincts showing a registered voter turnout well OVER 100 percent. The Dems filed suit, but we never did get a convincing explanation for that.

My suspicion is that elections have been rigged up here for years, but nobody thought to look into it because conventional wisdom is that Alaska is reliably red. But the fact is that the majority of voters here are Independents. http://www.elections.alaska.gov/statistics/regbyprty6-3-08.html (current as of 6/3/2008)

AIP - 13,398
Democrats - 72,076
Libertarians - 7,388
Republicans - 119,315
Nonpartisan - 73,104
Undeclared - 178,876
Green - 3,041
Republican Moderates - 4,332
Veterans Party of Alaska - 2,153

There are almost 60,000 more nonpartisan and undeclared voters here than Republicans and Democrats combined.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Thanks - it looks to me like the Governor's office is the first place to suspect
if any nefarious rigging of the voting process occurred. If any hanky panky occurred, the Lt. Governor would either be the architect of it or would surely know what Republican operatives were at its source.
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SweetieD Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Well well well ain't that interesting.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Geebus, the Republicans and Democrat's are the THIRD PARTIES
If a state like California held those kind of percentages we might be able render politicians honest, or at least bat shit crazy :rofl:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. "Bat shit crazy" seems to be the option that won out here.
:rofl:
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MNReformer Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #14
65. The website says there was a recount in 2004
And no discrepancies were found--was that a machine recount or a hand recount?
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
13. Hi Blue -
Let me know what I can do to help - I know I am not close, but I am an excellent letter writer and I'm happy to lend my help in any way I can.

:hi:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:06 PM
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19. I'm glad everyone is not going to sit back and let this happen without question. n/t
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 04:45 PM
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23. So are the RNC lawyers repoing Sarah's clothes or getting into the vote counting?
Just seems like sticking their nose in to protect Republican seats makes more sense than calling Sarah on her clothes.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:12 PM
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25. Just at a glance it appeared to me that roughly 14,000 votes must have been destroyed
If you were to simply add 14,000 votes to the totals then the exit polls come very close to matching the counted results. So it looks to me like somehow they managed to dump roughly that many.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Meaning 14K more for Palin and less for Stevens?
This vote rig is getting curiouser and curiouser. I am so glad so many election fraud people are scrutinizing the numbers. Wonder what Stephen Spoonamore the cyber security expert will say? He talks about the way these cheats are done at the tabulator level. He also says they are not undetectable (hence why they destroyed the tabulator hard drives in Ohio in 2004) and that he spent his career tracking comoputer fraud of this kind. So as long as the machines are not tampered with they will tell their stories. Hope Alaska elections folks secure the machines.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. W...O...W ....speechless.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:30 PM
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27. There should definitly be an investigation. Someone should kick this to Keith Olbermann.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 06:35 PM
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29. Oh, so YOU'RE the one that made me stay on "hold" for 10 min.!!
Alaska Dems: http://www.alaskademocrats.org/

I've been phoning, too, and included Scott Kawasaki, John Brown, and Dave Guttenberg on my list. KEEP THE PRESSURE ON!!

I've also been in contact with the Interior Democratic Party: http://interiordemocrats.org/

I don't think the state Party would have any problem with support from our friends in the Lower 48, either!

K&R :patriot::thumbsup::patriot:
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 06:36 PM
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30. Blue, what is the exact procedure for voting in AK?
When you go to vote, do they check your name off on a list of registered voters? (Seems they would have to do that to prevent people from voting more than once.)

Then, are you using paper ballots and optical scanners or electronic machines (if so, verifiable or non-verifiable)?

Do you know how a recount is done?

Are there any races close enough for the loser to demand or request a recount?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. They do check your name off on the rolls
when you vote on election day. I'm not sure what the procedure was for early voters, but I imagine they would do the same. I think I read somewhere that the reason why the early voters who voted between Thursday and Monday weren't including with the election night results was because they have to be checked against the election day sign-ins.

At least here in Anchorage we use paper ballots with optical scanners. In the villages they hand count. I'm not sure how they do it in Fairbanks and Juneau and the other larger towns -- I imagine they have the same system we do.

There were a few tight state races, but I haven't heard anything about any recounts yet.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:11 PM
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33. So it seems easy to find out how many showed up to vote, at the very least.
Then, they would have to have the same number of ballots as voters per precinct.

Then, for paper ballots, you would have to find huge numbers of voters who did not vote at all for the Senate and/or Presidential race for any of this stuff to somehow make any sense at all, right?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 06:38 PM
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31. Good for you. I hope this bears fruit.
This crap is the last gasp of the Republican Crime Syndicate--Alaska and Georgia both.

Please keep us posted as best you can.

Hekate


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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:24 PM
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34. k&r
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:50 PM
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36. There is no reason to doubt the votes in AK were fraudulent..
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:03 PM
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37. Well I remember Triad Election Systems & Ohio 2004, & the daughter of Triad owner alluded to...
an Alaska election she got to work on a taxodermy forum.

Anyone remember her name? She was married to a taxidermist & the thread was about holding elections for head of the taxidermists.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 05:01 AM
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39. Incredible, Blue. Please keep on keeping us posted. Good on you for all your work. nt
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 08:58 AM
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40. k&r
good stuff blue.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 09:42 AM
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42. This is not going on unnoticed. Bill Maher talked about something looking fishy in Alaska
last night on Real Time.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 09:46 AM
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43. Tell me if I am wrong
I had read somewhere that congress is empowered to certify elections and can disqualify a states elections, refuse to seat lawmakers, and force the state in question to have another election.
I remember some talk in 2000 that if Congress had the votes needed they would have disqualified Florida's electorial votes and thrown the election to Gore.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 10:17 AM
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45. Do you believe that all will come out eventually?
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:03 AM
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48. Yes, with Obama in the WH
we can expect all the Republican dirt, tons of it, will come out. He has to have, (dare I say it?) an assassin proof succession. I don't like Nancy Pelosi, being third in line. I suspect she's still in the pockets of the Bush people. We can't be too vigilant.
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 12:29 PM
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56. Drill Down
You have only given the statewide numbers. Drill down to the County level. That should show which areas underperformed the most. Also, was weather a factor on election day and what is the history based on weather. I do agree, something doesn't smell right.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 12:42 PM
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57. We don't have counties in Alaska
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 12:43 PM by Blue_In_AK
As I posted last night, apparently another 10,000 votes or so have surfaced (absentee mail-in ballots maybe), so the total number of uncounted ballots now is 81,000, or one-fourth of the total number cast. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a whole wad of ballots hidden somewhere that they brought out when it became apparent that people were paying attention to the anomalies.

In any event, of the early ballots that were counted yesterday, Mark Begich was ahead by about 60-40, so hopefully he'll be able to pull it out. But even the Anchorage Daily News wrote this morning that many are questioning the low turnout in a race where our own governor was running for VP and convicted felon Ted Stevens had a viable opponent. Here's the link..."Alaska Voter Turnout Puzzling." http://www.adn.com/politics/story/582698.html

Did a huge chunk of Alaska voters really stay home for what was likely the most exciting election in a generation?

That's what turnout numbers are suggesting, though absentee ballots are still arriving in the mail and, if coming from overseas, have until Nov. 19 to straggle in.

The reported turnout has prompted commentary in the progressive blogosphere questioning the validity of the results. And Anchorage pollster Ivan Moore, who usually works with Democrats, said Friday that "something smells fishy," though he said it was premature to suggest that the conduct of the election itself was suspect.

With 81,000 uncounted absentee and questioned ballots, some of which will be disqualified, the total vote cast so far is 305,281 -- 8,311 fewer than the last presidential election of 2004, which saw the largest turnout in Alaska history. That was the election where Alaska's selection of George Bush for a second term was a foregone conclusion, though there was an unusually hot Senate race between Sen. Lisa Murkowski and former Gov. Tony Knowles.

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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:09 PM
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58. Silver explained last night that the most likely reason is that Alaska votes after
the election was pretty much wrapped up. Perhaps that kept Obama fans from showing up?
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ksimons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 06:59 PM
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67. "vote for the felon!" "vote for the felon!" nt
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