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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:56 AM
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How to Treat a President Elect
In response to an Email advocating lobbying the new Congress and president-elect for complete withdrawal from Iraq and other goals, I received mostly positive responses, but a sizable minority sent replies like this one:

"Can't you wait a minute? Give the President-Elect a moment to breathe, to catch his breath, to exhale? Stop this uber anti-militant stance to pause for the appreciation of what has been accomplished. Have a little mercy! Time enough for all this sturm and drang. Snap out of it!"

In response to a post on a progressive website supporting some of Obama's possible appointments and opposing others, most of the comments were positive, but some took the position exemplified by this one:

"so tired of the endless drama queens. the only appointments made to date have been Podesta and perhaps Emanuel. And at least as many 'good' appointments as 'bad', have been rumored. That said, Kennedy would be an excellent choice. But, Jeebus, the hysterical crap about Obama- less than 2 days after he won, is such a predictable bore."

For the record, there had been nothing hysterical or anything demonstrably crappy about the original post, and there is something very important that I think a lot of us are failing to fully grasp right now. In a democratic republic, the people are in charge and their role is to make their wishes known to those who represent them. When we lose any semblance of democratic representation, as during the past eight years for example, it becomes easy to think that we can best solve our problems by replacing a bad dictator with a good one, when in reality it is far more important in the long run that we cease having a dictator at all.

The only respectful way to treat a president elect or a president is to behave as a democratic citizen should, as a democratic president should want us to. Failing to make our will known amounts to an accusation against our elected officials. We thereby accuse Obama of being like Bush.

There is no such thing as giving a democratic president a chance by leaving him alone. Precisely the way you give him a chance is by lobbying him to do what you want to see done. Anything else is an insult to him and to ourselves.

During the past eight years, we could have built the most powerful citizens' movements ever seen and never influenced our government's policy in the slightest. A powerful movement for peace and justice was simply ignored. Now suddenly we have a government that might listen, and now is the moment in which we should go silent? What sort of an awful antidemocratic sense of timing is that?

All power has been moved from Congress, where the Constitution put it, to the White House. Suddenly we've placed in the White House a president who might respect the rule of law, and we are supposed to choose precisely this moment to go silent and accept the placement of dictatorial power in one man because it's momentarily a better man? And how will this not guarantee the creation of a president even more criminal than Bush down the road? It is not an insult to Obama to propose restoring power to Congress, but the highest of praise.

The best elected official in a democracy is one who listens to the changing opinion of constituents. The worst is the principled superior creature who scorns polls and prefers not to be called or faxed or Emailed or visited because he knows better than you what's good for you, and he can get more done if you leave him alone. We have to decide which kind of president we want to have come January.

It is only because I respect Obama that I urge him to move forward with Robert Kennedy Jr. or to abandon the idea of keeping Robert Gates in his administration. Making such suggestions to George W. Bush was like talking to a brick wall, only with less intelligent give and take. Sometimes we made appeals to Bush, but always as gimmicks to influence the media or Congress or someone else, never because we thought Bush could possibly care what any citizens of his nation thought. Obama might care what we think, especially if enough of us get together and say it in a very powerful way. He might, on some occasions, even think the same thing already but act on it because of our efforts. He might, on other occasions, take up a new idea because of us. In either case, we do him a disservice by failing to live up to our end of the bargain we made when we elected him.

We've so often criticized the callers to right-wing radio who, in recent years, have objected to anyone disagreeing with their commander in chief. Surely our criticism was not merely due to our disapproval of the current president, was it?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 02:37 AM
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1. 'Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.' -- Frederick Douglass.
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 02:54 AM by Jim Sagle
Our President to Be now represents power, as all Presidents do. We dare not forget that.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:18 AM
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2. I'll rec that.
The man *asked* to hear from us, for crying out loud. I understand, and accept, that I'm going to be disappointed at times in this administration, but I don't intend to set myself up for more disappointment than I'm due by shutting up.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:25 AM
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3. Every single elite power group is making a beeline for Obama--
--to tie a metaphorical rope around his waist and pull him in their direction. Can anybody think of even one reason that makes any kind of sense why we shouldn't be doing exactly the same thing? Why should be drop our ropes, huh? Answer me that.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:26 AM
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4. amusing to see that for some merely getting a dem in the WH seems to be enuff
those who would silence critique have already surrendered. they can just pull the covers over their collective heads and go back to sleep.

for the rest, they know that the struggle for social and economic just begining...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:28 AM
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5. and I thought folks were just STARTING to get involved with Democracy again
silly me..
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:32 AM
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6. we've been down this road before, haven't we?
No napping this time.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:41 AM
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7. c'mon bro, relax. put your feet up.
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 07:43 AM by KG
don't you know social and economic justice movements start at the top? it all begins with appointing DLCers to positions of power. da' mans got it all under control. :eyes:
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:48 AM
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8. I'm going to contratulate myself all the way to a better world.
;-)
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:50 AM
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9. that's the spirit!
i mean, you voted for da man, who could ask for more?
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:53 AM
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10. all I ever really wanted was to be soothed anyway.
:D
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:45 PM
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14. You surprised? (I doubt you are)
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 01:48 PM by Solly Mack
I'm not

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mikita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 08:44 AM
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11. k/r
it needs to be said, and you said it beautifully.

Thanks!
Mikita
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:35 PM
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12. I think people are mistaking the need to take a breather....
WIth complacency. Or, worse, with unquestioning worship. Look, I know there are going to be people out there who either want to say, "Done! Now I can go back to my television," or who view Obama as an untouchable Messiah. But I would appreciate it if I wasn't instantly tossed into either of these piles for saying, "I need a moment to catch my breath" or "I need more data to know what to do next."

I also know that it's a bad idea to put someone in charge and then try to micromanage them to the point where they can't do their job. And I think a lot of people who are saying, "Give the guy a break!" are saying just that. Let's see what he does. And let's hold off questioning what he's doing until we know why he's doing it and what direction he's going in. He isn't declaring war or undermining the constitution. He's picking out cabinet members and deciding on ways to stop the hemorrhaging of our economy. None of us are going to help him do that by leaning over his shoulder and saying, "Why are you doing this? And what about this? Have you thought of that? I'd do it this way!"

How well would you be able to start in your new job position if the people who hired you were doing that?

I know we're all gun shy thanks to Bush. We've every reason to be nervous and afraid and to say "Never again!" when it comes to letting a President do as he pleases unquestioned. But that doesn't mean we can't give the new guy a chance to get settled, get his people in place and take that first step. And let us keep in mind that not going in the direction we would go doesn't instantly mean he's going in the wrong direction.

It's all very well and good to pat yourself on the back for asking questions. But I don't believe that gives you the right to condemn those who want to wait. Waiting, instead of immediately questioning, does not make me a blind worshiper or politically complacent. It could mean, rather, that I don't want to jump to conclusions or ask questions without more information. We usually give the president 100 days. I don't think that's unfair. I especially don't think it unfair given how much we've already vetted this candidate and, hopefully, have some faith in his intelligence and morals. Let him get into office. Let him have his 100 days. Give him a chance to show us that he can do the job. He has a lot on his plate, and everyone is already looking over his shoulder watching for a wrong move. How is more questioning and distrust going to help?
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 03:05 PM
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15. you sound very nice and reasonable
i just think you fundamentally misunderstand the idea of democracy or oppose it

you favor a more limited sort of democratic representation, of course

but you don't want as much democracy as I think is absolutely essential
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 08:08 PM
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16. Fundamentally misunderstand the idea of democracy?
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 08:10 PM by Moonwalk
My. That's a big leap. I say, "I need more info before I start to grill the guy on what he's doing," and you translate that to "You don't understand democracy"?

I'm afraid I don't follow your logic here. If I was saying, "No one shall ask questions of the president!" THEN you could tell me that I don't understand democracy. Did I say that? I think not. If I said that only the president shall have any say in making decisions for the nation, THEN you could tell me that I don't understand democracy. Did I say that? I think not. I said that I believe that we, the people, who democratically elected (hired) a man to do a certain job should give that man a chance to show us why he's making certain decisions and demonstrate how he's going to do the job before we question him...and question our own choice of him for the job.

Now the only way I see that as going against democracy is if you believe that we should have a government where every decision about everything we do is voted on by everyone. In which case, electing a president to make decisions for us is moot.

So why don't you explain to me how it is that I don't understand democracy. Do feel free to quote me and explain how any suggestion, any at all, that we let the president elect have some time to do his job is undemocratic. This is a new definition from what I learned in college as the meaning of democracy (which I, foolishly, imagined had to do with everyone having certain liberties and being allowed to vote and such) and I'm eager to learn all about it.

Democracy: Where one person may not advise others to give a president elect time to do his job. Has that been put into Wiki yet?

Oh, and do you really think it's a wise move to insult someone who "sounds" reasonable and might be persuaded to your side if you didn't insult them and instead, maybe, explained your position? :sarcasm: Just something to think about for the future.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:44 PM
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13. K&R
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