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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:26 PM
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Do we have another Kennedy?
Is there another Camelot on the horizon?

I have high hopes for this man. I just hope politics won't hobble him.
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Lancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:28 PM
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1. Obamalot.
:)
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:28 PM
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2. Obama is his own person, capable of forming his own policies and administration.
I loved JFK and RFK, but Obama should be judged on his own merits and not compared to anyone else. He deserves for his name to be known on its own.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:28 PM
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3. No, we have a Barack Obama
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 01:29 PM by ben_meyers
we don't need another Kennedy, we need Obama to be his own man.

Enough with the Kennedy worship already.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:42 PM
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15. lets just slow down and see what kind of President Obama will prove to be.
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 01:42 PM by VeraAgnes
He has only won the Office and has yet to demonstrate great leadership to date.............Not that he won't be a fine President but were placing the cart before the horse.

just saying.....slow down folks.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:59 PM
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17. um, sorry, but he has provided great political leadership
and that offers at least a clue to his ability to provide leadership when it comes to governing.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:29 PM
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4. I'm superstitious
about all the comparisons to Kennedy, Lincoln and MLK. For the obvious reason.
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Trojan Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:36 PM
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11. How About This Then ?
On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificats were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the gevernment the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a privately-owned central bank. His efforts to have all troops out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York banking establishment. As America's debt reaches unbearable levels and a conflict emerges in Bosnia that will further increase America's debt, one is force to ask, will President Clinton have the courage to consider utilizing Executive Order 11110 and, ifso, is he willing to pay the ultimate price for doing so?

Executive Order 11110 AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289

AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended-

By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):


(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12,1933, as amended (31 U.S.C.821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denomination of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption

and --

Byrevoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

Sec. 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

John F. Kennedy The White House, June 4, 1963.

Of course, the fact that both JFK and Lincoln met the the same end is a mere coincidence.

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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:41 PM
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14. Too few people know this history. Which is why nothing has changed.
Or that Lincoln introduced "greenbacks" for the same reason.
With same results.
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Trojan Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 03:23 PM
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18. Obama Will Discover The Truth !
My question is "Do You Think He Will Act By Trying To First Educate Americans And Then Finding Ways To Diminish The Federal Reserve's Powers ?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:54 PM
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19. I hope you are right. I got worried because of the econ. people he hangs with.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:29 PM
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5. if i had to predict
i would guess he's two term. i don't see politics changing his vision. he'll have to compromise some, sure, but i think the mandate America has given him (along with a solid congressional majority) will do a lot to help him.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:29 PM
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6. Why does he have to compared to someone?
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:31 PM
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7. He's our president,
And others will be compared to him.

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:32 PM
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8. First of all, Obama was born with a plastic spoon in his mouth...
Not the Silver Spoon...

Also, Obama has a healthy ego that doesn't depend on getting laid in order to fullfill his need for attention...

And, he ain't from Boston...

Oter than that nothing except the most important part...

They are both Democrats.
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:34 PM
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9. *Sigh*
Yes, they're both Dems,

But more important, they are both progressives.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:41 PM
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12. Amen, brother...
Both are Democrats.

Well said...

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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:35 PM
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10. No, but we do have a Barack Obama!
:applause:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:41 PM
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13. I agree with most of what other posters have said
Barack Obama is not "another" anyone, but he does instill similar inspiration and optimism as Kennedy did. The actual men are very different, the effects on people worldwide are much the same.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:56 PM
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16. Given time, he could be better and do more. I have very high hopes
for his presidency because he is so FRICKIN' COMPETENT!!!!!
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carlyhippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:11 PM
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21. high hopes - nearly every country has high hopes for him too
no way would I want to be president after this last administration-he gets to go in and clean up the mess that is going to be dumped in his lap....all eyes are on him.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:02 PM
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20. I never really got the big deal about Kennedy
Was reluctant to take a strong stand on civil rights, and by all accounts spent most of his time in office doped up on pain meds and screwing everything that moved.


JFK's one of these people, the more you find out about him, the less you like him.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:23 PM
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22. I want Obama to be his own person and govern in his own way
It's a different time, a more difficult time and a more complex world, and BHO's got a lot of cleanup that JFK didn't have to deal with.

Still, if people want to make favorable comparisons with Kennedy and Camelot, I'll take it. :)
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