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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:21 PM
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Why NASCAR and not GT or Le Mans?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not into any of it - but I don't look down or make fun of anyone who does.

BUT...why NASCAR and not another kind? Say, with more turns (and turns other than left)?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:26 PM
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1. Marketing Marketing Marketing
The Fortune 500 puts most of their resources into sponsoring NASCAR, so they have a vested interest in seeing it stay in the forefront of motor sports here in the US.

I watch it, but I prefer American LeMans or NHRA drag racing myself.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:04 PM
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16. But wouldn't this deflate your argument a little
Grid Girls

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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:29 PM
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2. Easier to sell more alcohol to large crowds gathered around circles or ovals
n/t
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:30 PM
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3. I thought you were talking about the occupations.
NASCAR = raw red meat. I like it, I go to it, but . . . :shrug:
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:33 PM
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4. NASCAR is home-grown and used to be totally accessible
to anyone who wanted to race. Today's 'stock cars' aren't anything like stock cars, but in the past they were just that - it was the 'production frame' days. Guys would take a car and do stuff to it to make it go faster and take it out to the track and see who won on a Saturday night. If they were fast locally they might make the jump to Grand National racing, or at least give it a shot. At the time NASCAR was becoming popular F1 and sports car racing were already well established as elite and expensive sports, not open to folks from the farms of the rural U.S.

Modern NASCAR is at least as expensive as modern F1 or any of the other bi-directional auto racing formats, so it really makes no sense anymore, but it used to.
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:42 PM
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8. f1 is crazy expensive
you can't field a competitive team for less than 100m
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:50 PM
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22. This is the answer and there are lots of "little NASCAR" all over the country.

where its a lot more like the original NASCAR races.

Its fun to sit around a dirt oval drinking beer and eating boiled peanuts while watching your friends race their beater 4 cylinders for nothing more than the thrill of racing.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:38 PM
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29. Yup. It started with moonshine runners in the Appalachians that got competitive ....
There are still classes of racing that any regular guy can enter and there is still a path to the 'big time'. Granted, most professional drivers get started at an early racing carts and all, but it is still possible.

FWIW, I find NASCAR racing incredibly dull. I'd rather be out freeriding.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 09:24 PM
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31. That's really interesting
It makes sense...

I was also thinking here in the US we have highways. Long stretches of road with no stop lights. In Europe they have a lot of hairpin turns around town.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 09:44 PM
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34. Speaking of hairpin turns...
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 09:45 PM by Edweird
These guys were *hauling ass* through rural Appalachia (twisty mountain rollercoaster) on poorly maintained unlit back roads. At night. Without headlights. They were badasses for sure.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 12:16 AM
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35. West Virginia?
I drove from Charleston to Dulles once...definitely twisted
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plaintiff Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:33 PM
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5. I enjoy most all motor sports...Formula One is my favorite. Nascar I can take or leave
at least they don't make right turns. :D


;-)
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:36 PM
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6. Just a guess, but it may have to do with racing stock cars which
(at one time) were more like the kind you might drive, but souped up. A person could, say, identify more with a team racing Chevy's if they drove one and tinkered with it.

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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:38 PM
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7. You could ask the same about why football
and not soccer (futbol)? Or NBA vs NHL(damned Canuks), or baseball vs cricket?

Most likely has something to do with their origins.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:52 PM
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12. No breaks for commercials in Soccer.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:44 PM
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9. Baja for me, man.
What's all this driving on asphalt? and no jumps?
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:11 PM
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17. YEEEESSS!!! Rally racing is where its at!
So much more fun to watch. I'm more into motocross/trail riding dirtbikes than anything else. Something that I would love to go to would be the Red Bull Air Races!

Heres my toy.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:31 PM
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18. Now, we're talking. Sweet bike!
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 05:31 PM by parasim
I haven't been dirtbiking for, like, ever, but there's nothing like a little motocross!
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:58 PM
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23. Its an awsome sport! Goes against the usual environmental beliefs of a dem but...
I try to do my part of not fuckin shit up, and just tread lightly but still have fun. Unlike the rednecks I'm surrounded by who likes to literally sink their quads into a huge water hole/mud pit and do all kinds of other dumb stuff.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:47 PM
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10. Its Political .... Nascar dads love moose hunting mom's
They tend to listen to county music also. I would imagine a pretty high percent of conservative fans.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:48 PM
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11. Gimme Drag Racing.
Smells great and I can watch the whole race.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:53 PM
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13. F-1, baby!
That's my motor sport of choice.
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:56 PM
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14. The explanation is simple... Nascar is American... GT & Le Mans is foreign...
For over half a century Nascar has defined itself as a purely political brand. May I add, the State of North Carolina, the birthplace of Nascar, went for Obama. There aren't exit polls to identify Nascar voters, but I'd be willing to bet you that close to 35% of Nascar voted for Obama. I like Nascar, I voted for Obama!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:03 PM
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15. It's easier to show a NASCAR race. You can see the whole track.
Formula 1 and Le Mans has something that NASCAR doesn't: Grid Girls.




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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:35 PM
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19. More sexism?
I guess the racing world really doesn't want women to watch.

I hate that women are relegated to eye candy in most sports. How 'bout more women actually participating IN the sport?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:42 PM
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20. To quote Spinal Tap "That's sexy, not sexist"
But NASCAR does have Danica Patrick who I am told kicks ass on the track.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:06 PM
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25. Exactly, like the woman in the FOX bakini in a dirtbike magazine is "sexy".
Nothing sexist about us guys, basically being guys.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:19 PM
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26. Wrong. Humans being humans.
That's us humans - one part sexually obsessed, one part sexually confused

:silly:
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:46 PM
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21. You've obviously never been to a Nascar or any other kind of race
I saw 10s of thousands of female race fans when I went to the race in KC. Women are an integral part of the sport and I'm not talking about just the flag girls in F1. If you haven't been to a race is it right to criticize the sport?
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:03 PM
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24. What does guys staring at attractive women in skimpy outfits have to do with sexism??
As a guy, I enjoy the sights too:evilgrin:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:41 PM
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30. It's happening, see the link below. There's been a lot of women
in the Rally world, and drag racing is a natural for women because of their reaction times. Let's face it, a 110lb driver puts less strain on the machine than a 180 lb driver.


http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/womenracerslist.html

Sara Christian was the first woman in NASCAR

http://ca.geocities.com/womeninnascar/sarachristian.html
http://ca.geocities.com/womeninnascar/index.html

http://www.muldowney.com/





Jodie York down on the pegs.

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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:23 PM
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27. There are hardly any stock parts in a NASCAR racer
The engine block and the VIN plate are about it.

A tour of team garages and engine building shops in Mooresville, NC is quite interesting.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 09:40 PM
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33. Well, nowadays, sure
But it's still a lot more like the car you have than, say, a formula one car.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:37 PM
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28. Why not bike racing?
Moto GP is excellent to watch (it never becomes the procession that F1 can become) - and it has American riders among the top ones, so there's people for Americans to cheer for. And it's far from "go fast, and turn left". The riders' skill is amazing - and obvious when you watch, even if you don't ride a bike, like me. Or you can have Superbikes, which are modified versions of publicly sold bikes (though there aren't currently any Americans at the top of the international series in that at the moment).
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 09:39 PM
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32. NASCAR is basically your car with a better engine
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 09:41 PM by dmesg
I mean, it originally was, though it's almost impossible to break into it without a lot of money nowadays, but even a couple of decades ago it was still possible, and the sport still has some cachet because of that.

It's more accessible to viewers; stock car racing has always been popular for that reason.

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