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blindbucky Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:01 PM
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Would you be happy if Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer all step down on January 21st?
Would you prefer they stay through Obama's term or step down sooner to allow younger justices to take their place?

I'm torn. I'd like to see 4 long-term liberal fixtures on the court, but there are certainly risks in appointing new justices.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:02 PM
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1. No. I would be happy if
Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia all stepped down on January 21st.

The others can step down when they get ready.
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blindbucky Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:04 PM
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3. Well, obviously...
But how horrible would it be if they didn't step down during Obama's entire term (or 2) and stepped down under a republican president?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:16 PM
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15. I doubt Stevens would make it another 8 years.
Probably not Ginsburg either, if she's not healthy. And while I don't wish bad health on anybody, it certainly would be a good thing for the country if Fat Tony Scalia or his puppet Clarence had to step down.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:04 PM
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4. yeah!
:woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce:

That would be the most awesomest thing I can think of right now. . . .
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:02 PM
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2. No. Not all at once. There's no reason for that.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:04 PM
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5. Sure
as long as Ginsburg "accidentally" smacks Scalia with her gavel on the way out the door, inadvertently creating a fifth vacancy.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:05 PM
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6. I'll Defer To Their Judgment
since they seem to have shown pretty good judgment for all these years.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:15 PM
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24. One of them should have retired 8 or 12 years ago, while Clinton was
President. We're just lucky he didn't die during the Bush presidency.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:06 PM
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7. I would be happy if lightning struck in several key places
on the SCOTUS bench, vafanculo, if you know what I mean. I would definitely be arrested for going all Billy Elliot on their socially conservative graves.

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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:07 PM
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8. I think it would be better if they spaced themselves out a bit. Maybe one every 4 months.
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 06:08 PM by GodlessBiker
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:10 PM
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9. He's just going to be keep the balance by replacing them, ideally Kennedy would go
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 06:11 PM by galaxy21
and you'd have an inconsistent judge replaced by a liberal one.

But its been speculated Kennedy will never go willingly, since he likes the ego boost of being the swing vote.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:13 PM
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10. I'd be happier if Kennedy went.
A replacement would give us a stable majority. He's 72, so it might be retirement time.

Wag of the finger at O'Connor for not waiting it out.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:15 PM
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13. O'Connor wanted to be replaced by a conservative
She was pro choice, but other than that...she didn't want Bill Clinton replacing her that's for sure.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:13 PM
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11. It was my hope and indeed my understanding that
Congresswoman Stephanie Tubb-Jones would of been the next Justice on the U.S Supreme Court...to our loss, she died just before the Democratic Convention. :cry:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:14 PM
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12. It would be best if Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg and Breyer retired
by the 3rd year of Obama's term.

There may be a good possibility that up to 3 others would retire before the end of Obama's 2nd term.

We need to make sure that the Republicans do not gain any type of an advantage with the 2010 election.

Justices can retire when they reach 65 with full pay.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:16 PM
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14. Good point! n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:20 PM
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16. No... they need to stay as long as possible for continuity...
well spaced retirements, fine... But, let's start with Kennedy, Thomas, Fat Boy Scalia...
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:23 PM
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18. I really hope Stevens retires soon, he's earned it
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 06:24 PM by galaxy21
And the guy's 88. He held on a lot longer than he had to.
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Libertyfirst Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:20 PM
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25. Agreed we need well spaced retirements.
Remember the SCOTUS continues to hear cases even with vacancies. We don't want important decisions to be reach while the more liberal or moderate seats are vacant. However, the liberals and moderates should go and permit Obama to replace them during his first term. Nature may, of course, provide other vacancies.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:22 PM
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17. I'd like to see life time appointments eliminated.
Maybe 12 year terms or age cut offs...say 75 years old.

I'm not sure if that would require a Constitutional change, but it would give fresh perspectives for changing times and laws.

:shrug:
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:38 PM
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19. Why should Souter and Breyer step down?
The other two are old and/or sick. Souter is wonderful despite being a Bush I appointee, and Breyer is also good.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:41 PM
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20. I think Breyer just wants to retire
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:07 PM
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21. I think anyone who chooses to go should be allowed to.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:10 PM
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22. No, I'd like Thomas, Roberts, Scalia, Kennedy, and that other jerk to step down.
All at once. And then they could leave for Paraguay.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:11 PM
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23. I'd prefor Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas step down
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:30 PM
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26. (self-delete)
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 07:31 PM by TahitiNut
(DU software screwup)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:30 PM
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27. In order of age ... Stevens, Ginsberg, Scalia, and Kennedy.
John Paul Stevens is 88 years old ... left.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg is 75 years old .. left.
Antonin Scalia is 72 years old .. far right.
Anthony Kennedy is 72 years old .. middle-right.
Stephen Breyer is 70 years old .. middle-left.
David Souter is 69 years old .. middle-left.

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:40 PM
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28. This could be entertaining...all NINE of them step down in the next four years
Imagine a Supreme Court where someone with the political leanings of Bill Clinton is the farthest-right member, and where all nine of them were chosen by a good president.
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sl8 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:41 PM
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29. Any four Justices stepping down on the same day ...
would be extraordinary.

Your scenario would leave a Court consisting of Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia and Thomas until four more Justices could be nominated and confirmed.

Are you kidding?
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:50 PM
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30. Stevens will retire
He's 87. Ginsberg may also retire within this term or, if Obama wins reelection, in Obama's next term, as she's in her late 70s and has had a bout of cancer.

There's actually a decent amount of speculation that Souter may retire too -- he's relatively young, but he reportedly is tired of the court and ready to leave.
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