Lets start a movement to outlaw divorce

[southernleftylady]

If they are so worried about saving marriage... shouldn't we just outlaw breaking the vows? Just a thought... now don't get me wrong I know that there are very serious reasons people need to get divorced but it makes just as much sense the government telling people who can get married as it makes sense it telling who can get out of it

[Newsjock]

1. Here's a start

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/9/12930/9102/113/657880

The will of the people has been made clear. However, our work is not done. Therefore, I hope you will join me in pursuing the next critical step in improving our state marriage laws. Specifically, I hope you will support California Proposition 13, which is summarized as such:

13 – ELIMINATES RIGHT OF MARRIED COUPLES TO DIVORCE. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

Some of you may be thinking, "What? That makes no sense. I voted to eliminate same-sex marriage but I definitely support the right to divorce." However, I would assert that you just weren’t thinking things through when you voted Yes on Proposition 8. I will show you why eliminating the right to divorce makes even more sense than eliminating the right for same-sex couples to marry.

[Antennas]

7. Ugh, California is going insane.

[Marsala]

16. It should get the Catholics on board, at least... n/t

[mckara]

2. In a Country With Millions of Guns Around?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[southernleftylady]

3. lol ok you got a point lol...survival of the fittest then I guess ;) nt

[man4allcats]

6. Ha!

I do understand the point southernleftylady is trying to make, but in fact the demand for coroners would skyrocket!

[DBoon]

4. let's require divorced republicans to go back to their first spouse

should be lots of fun

[bertman]

5. Fair enough. Divorce is "out". Stoning is "in".

[Gregorian]

8. Well then I'll just marry six wives. Haha!

Then I won't have to get divorced. I can just shuffle them around like a deck of cards.

Oh wait. I just realized the point of this whole exercise.

[TexasObserver]

9. That's what I say. If they want to protect marriage, stop allowing divorces.

They don't want to protect marriage from anything. They want to protect themselves from having to live in a world where someone is doing something they don't like.

[Duncan Grant]

10. And institute a Biblical punishment for adultery!

I'm not sure what that is but I'm sure it's bad.

[Gwendolyn]

11. Rocks pelted at the offenders' heads by an angry mob. Can't be fun.

[curse of greyface]

12. Way to Catholic and way to European. nt

[Marr]

13. That's actually a good idea.

"Preserving marriage" indeed. I'd like to see people take sides on this out in the open.

[southernleftylady]

17. Every now and then I have a good one lol nt

[RoyGBiv]

14. Fundamentalists would like that ...

In for a penny, in for a pound I guess.

While I understand this is mostly sarcastic, a lot of religious fundamentalists would very much like that.

Divorce is, at its root, a women's rights issue, and fundies hate it. It's grown beyond that now, but still ...

In the 80s and 90s especially, we (meaning the political crowd I ran with) fought tooth and nail against churches and related interests that were working feverishly to institute measures to make divorce more difficult. And we lost for the most part.

Of course, it did nothing for the divorce rate. What it did do was increase the difficulty of women getting away from abusive men legally. They could still move out, but the legal tie was still there for several months because of these new laws, which made things very complicated.

[Shallah Kali]

15. More recently has been the Covenant Marriage law making it harder to divorce -Huckabee is a support

People have to opt for a covenant marriage but once in you must have proof of abuse or other wrongdoing to get divorce. Escaping an abusive marriage is hard enough without additional conditions.

So while I laugh at the thought of making all those divorced hypocrites being forced to go back to their orginal spouse I wouldn't support something like this. Better to go after something that if it actually passed would cause serious harm or even death like banning 'unclean' food like shellfish and pork.

[Kalyke]

18. Yeah, but that's a choice.

The state doesn't FORCE you into a Convenant Marriage, so it's not a violation of any rights.

[RoyGBiv]

21. That's a shaky argument ...

No one *forces* you to get married at all.

Regardless, somewhere around 30 state legislatures are considering covenant marriage laws that are not "optional." This is essentially what Oklahoma did back in the 90s. All these laws are encroachments upon years of feminist activism that have attempted to redefine marriage as something other than legalized ownership of people. Fundamentalist conservatives tend to like the whole "ownership" aspect.

[Shallah Kali]

30. The state will FORCE people to stay in marriages until sufficient proof of abuse is offered

Elminating the chance of the victim to get the hell out of dodge before the abuse becomes severe though a no-fault just get me away from the SOB ASAP divorce. Abusers are really good at appearing all sweet and kind until they start tossing pregnant wives down the stairs and even people who don't believe in divorce start thinking they had best get one fast as happened to a certain ancestress of mine.

I am willing to do many things to help my fellow humans who happen to be GLBT get marriage equality but I am not willing to toss innocent bystanders under the bus to make a point.

[Jacobin]

31. Fundies have a higher divorce rate than the general public

go figure.

hypocrisy on steroids

[Hansel]

19. Yes, please! Oil up that slippery slope and give them a push.

[LatteLibertine]

20. Maybe prison time for adultery? :p

We want to keep marriage sacred and pure ya' know.

Or yeah, as someone else said, let's bring back stoning! It's biblically correct :)

[IronLionZion]

22. Let's outlaw adultery, abuse, neglect, disrespect, and force everyone to have equal household chores

also we need mandatory nightly marital sex.

Because I'm pretty sure gay marriage is not the only reason for the failure of McCain's and Giuliani's marriages. With Republicans, the only guy with one wife is the Mormon.

[dysfunctional press]

23. people with 3 divorces should NOT be allowed to marry again.

they obviously aren't suited for it.

[Dukkha]

24. Larry King and Liz Taylor would be serving life sentences

they change spouses more than I change underpants

[southernyankeebelle]

25. Shut Up Already

Look am a gay supporter. Don't mix apples and oranges. There are some couples where divorce is a must. Sometimes men beat their wives and children. So you think its OK to make people stay in these marriages? I don't think so. We have to find a way that same sex couples can have so called wedding that the law will recognize so that their partners can share in the same befits as married couples.

[treestar]

27. The OP did not say that but just made the point that if protection

of marriage was what these right wingers really cared about, then stopping divorce should logically be higher on their agenda than stopping gay marriage. They are on very tenuous ground claiming they are against it because it somehow does harm to hetero marriage. Because it is really their homophobia and prejudice, not a concern for hetero marriages.

[southernleftylady]

29. I also said that I understand there are reasons to need divorce.. I think this poster just didnt...

even read the op and just started to vent oh well ..

[treestar]

26. You know, you're right, it would make a lot more sense with their

"protection of marriage" stance - it is just laughable that gay marriage can hurt their marriages. If they tried this, it would at least be consistent with that theme.

[WillyT]

28. We Could Start A Hot-Line To Turn In People Having Affairs

Because... it's the infidelity, stupid!

I kid... but I do wonder how many people who voted "yes" on Prop 8, have had affairs, or are currently engaged in affairs, yet are voting to protect the "sanctity" of marriage.

:shrug:

[Jacobin]

32. Maybe we should just outlaw marriage and be done with it

[Gwendolyn]

33. Accidental death stats would go through the roof. But I don't think outlawing divorce would help.

Jesus said the only appropriate reason for divorce was not living a godly, good life. Since most fundies fit that description, they're all home free in that area.

[Pastiche423]

34. As long as it's not retroactive!

[PeaceNikki]

36. NO SHIT!!!

My first thought, too.

:o

[southernleftylady]

37. lol ok that made me lol right! I'm my hubbys 2nd wife lol nt

[file83]

35. We should also outlaw marriages if they can't produce a baby within 1 year.

I mean, isn't that "why" marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman, for procreation?

So, if you can't produce a baby, no marriage for YOU! (We can call it the Procreation Nazi law)

[southernleftylady]

38. Wow 16rec? Thanks yall... it would bring an interesting discussion out there wouldn't it? lol nt