Obama is NOT bigoted toward gays and Obama would NOT be tombstoned if he posted here

[Cali_Democrat]

I've been reading some posts tonight where people are suggesting that Obama is bigoted toward gays and he would be tombstoned if he posted here.

That's just silly.

Obama would NOT be tombstoned if he posted here.

I'm sure everyone here would welcome President-Elect Barack Obama with open arms if he posted here.

DU'ers would love for him to post here.

I know I would. :D

[IndianaJones]

1. opposition to civil rights for any group is a bigoted position.

Voicing such a position here is grounds for TS.

[mondo joe]

2. Of course he wouldn't be tombstoned. But his views on marriage are still bigoted.

But DU isn't going to tombstone the President.

[glowing]

11. I think he said things based on getting elected. I don't think its in his heart

to come up with some complicated spin.. I think he feels its easy to allow people rights.. and its harder coming up with reasons to deny rights.

[mondo joe]

13. That could easily be. I don't have a window into his heart, so to speak, so I have

to go with what he says.

[glowing]

25. Yes, you do.. so, you beat him up everyday, until he finally gets it.. or releases

a statement... But when I hear his speaches about "we are all Americans", I don't think he intentionally wants to keep people from enjoying the freedoms of America. I'm in FL. It is a bit quieter here... No crazy marches.. No circling churches... No surrounding the capital building and making demands of the Gov. I find it sad. I wish there was a response of some kind here. I haven't seen much of anything. People in this state can be fired for being gay. This is a United States issue; not just a California issue. It has to include everyone. Action must be taken everywhere... Don't localize an issue this enormous and this all encompassing. I'm hoping it goes to the Supreme Court (with new judges) and that this issue is done with. Its a divisive wedge issue... and it doesn't concern anyone.. its a right to privacy, a right equality, and a right have marital filing status that concerns financial and personal matters... If we are NOT to be a nanny state, the RepubliCONS ought to be your champions. Dems need to show a backbone and stop spinning the narrative to win elections.

[man4allcats]

23. I believe President Obama is a good enough lawyer

that he would read our rules before posting and stay within those guidelines. At least I would hope so. I have seen some truly offensive, rule violating posts on this board, and in at least one instance it took some time and no little effort to finally get rid of that individual in spite of the posted rules. I only assume the offender is now gone. I haven't seen anything from that individual in a very long time. I do believe, and I hope are admin believe, that rules are rules. As we all know, Bushco was of the opposite opinion, but of course Bushco was undemocratic. We cannot allow ourselves to become what they were. Though I doubt it will ever come to pass, I personally would love to have President Obama post here. If and when that ever happens, I'm quite certain he will respect us enough to honor our rules.

Where there is no law, there is only anarchy. - anotheryellowdog

[Eric Condon]

42. His "views on marriage" are not bigoted, they're political reality.

The sad truth is that in this country right now, no one could possibly get elected president if they openly declared that they supported gay marriage. This is why politicians hem and haw and use intentionally ambiguous language. It's part and parcel of playing the political game, unfortunately.

Anyone with half a brain knows that Obama, like the vast majority of Congressional Dems, probably has no problem whatsoever with gay marriage. Remember during the primary debates, when Edwards went on a long tangent about his "personal journey" on this issue? Establishing that his position could be fluid was a clear signal to supporters like me, and the message was "Listen, I'm totally in favor of gay marriage, I just can't come out and say it now." In fact, out of all the Democratic presidential candidates we had back in the primaries all the way down to now, I would seriously wager that not a single one of them are actually opposed to gay marriage personally. But they're politicians. They know how to play the game.

Now that Obama has won a clear mandate, who knows what will happen?

[mondo joe]

54. You're assuming he's lying for political gain, and I'm not.

He might be - it's quite possible.

But all I can go on are his own words. It seems unfair for me to assume he's lying.

[Dr. Strange]

63. Oh, I don't know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=181447

[Winnipegosis]

3. Even if he said positive things about Mormons?

Then, all hell might break loose, from what I've seen lately.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. Anyone who comes after my family

will face my wrath. Period. The label of some religion does not mean they get to attack and face no rebuttal, no defense. In fact, LDS ought to be expecting offensive vollies as well, for they started a war against decent people who have done nothing to them.
It is hubris to even imply that because of a religion they should be allowed to do harm in an organized manner with impunity.
They choose their actions, and actions have consequences, for all.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Whoa. Looks like DU has gone insane in the 3 days since I've been by.

[Mind_your_head]

6. Yep n/t

[BlooInBloo]

14. Well in any case, hyperbolic inferences aside, working on Obama to reject...

separate-but-equal is deservedly high on most all of our to-do lists.

The rest is just silliness.

[Zhade]

15. Thanks for your support, BiB!

: )

[EFerrari]

17. In the middle of everything, he found a way to come out against this POS.

Who else did who was up for election? Feinstein only did after the polls seemed to go our way.

[Antennas]

16. Pretty much.

[BlooInBloo]

19. I leave you guys alone for 3 days and THIS is what you find to talk about???

As a bit-part movie admiral once said:

I want somebody's butt, I want it now, I've had it!


:rofl:

[Antennas]

20. Too many reactionaries here.

People are so heated up here lately that now they're saying Obama is a bigot? Come on people.

The man passed legislature in Illinois that bans discrimination against sexual orientation. He has said publicly he opposes Prop 8.

His parents were married in 1961, a time when it was illegal in some states for a black man to marry a white woman, and vice versa. I'm pretty sure Obama is on your side.

Let's relax a bit, people.

[Zhade]

21. The view that marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman is bigoted.

NT!

[Antennas]

26. Believe me, I agree with you.

But I still think people here are unfairly attacking Obama. The man isn't even President yet. And he has said he opposes Prop 8.

I've seen people here blame the Mormons, the blacks and now Obama. Let's relax a bit.

[orleans]

39. i missed it. when did he say he was against prop 8? n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

40. Here you go...

http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1051404.html


:hi:

[mondo joe]

22. Bigotry isn't absolute. There are degrees, and he's still there, though he's better

than many.

If someone said he thought African Americans should have nearly equal rights, but not exactly equal, I think you'd agree they had some bigotry going on.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

38. We all have much to learn.

We all have vast vistas before us for improvement. Even presidents-elect.

[ColoradoMagician]

43. Calling people reactionaries and then telling them to calm down

doesn't make sense.

While you are relaxing, think about which right you would like to have taken away from you.

I don't know if Obama is bigoted towards GLBTs. He sure could prove that he isn't if he tries to help us out when he gets into office.

[Cali_Democrat]

44. Obama has to say certain things to get elected

We all know this....it's really not a secret. This country is just not ready for a major candidate to declare his/her support for gay marriage.

However, I'm confident he will to everything he can for the GLBT cause when he becomes President.

[QC]

45. Which of your basic human rights should we put on the ballot?

I bet that would make you just a tiny bit reactionary.

[Cali_Democrat]

61. I think the poster was just saying we all need to calm down a bit

Emotions are running high right now. Trust me...I know living in California.

We need to calm down and focus on a way to move forward together without lashing out in anger.

Moving forward is the key and I'm positive that Obama shares the interest of the GLBT community...he is a friend of that community IMO.

[Bluenorthwest]

59. I'll relax if you pay our extra income taxes, ok?

PM me and I'll let you know where to send the check. If he is on my side, he has a voice, we have all heard it for two years now. He needs to use it with power and clarity. You assume he is what he does not seem to be. The fact that Obama was 6 or so when Loving made his folks marriage legal does not prove he is on my side, not at all, in fact it shows that he lacks empathy he should have gained from life experience and is willing to do unto others what he would never wish to be done unto him or his folks. He does not connect the dots it seems.
He judges me not by the content of my character, but by the content of my bed.

[galileoreloaded]

56. bat shit nuts and self destructive IMHO. N/t

[Cali_Democrat]

66. It will calm down. nt

[AntiFascist]

5. I've always said that we should be tolerant of Obama's belief...

that marriage should only be between a man and woman, but I also believe that this is a bigoted belief fueled by years of religious programming. Of course Obama is not overtly bigoted towards gays...but as a constitutional expert he might learn something by examining the CA Supreme Court gay marriage ruling.

[firedupdem]

7. Why would someone belong to a party with a bigoted leader?

I know I wouldn't. :shrug:

[Zhade]

9. Well, a lot of us are independents.

NT!

[IndianaJones]

10. are you a Democrat? nt.

[mondo joe]

12. Because the others are MORE bigoted? I've never had a President that I thought

was perfect, or even one that I thought was more progressive than me on civil rights.

Have you?

[Antennas]

28. Exactly.

Every president I've ever supported has a few things I don't agree with - but the good usually outweighs the bad.

I think one thing we can all agree on is that Obama will be a million times better for the GLBT community than McCain would have.

[LostinVA]

53. I don't -- I'm not a Dem

[Zhade]

8. Uh, you're wrong, but also right - maybe.

As long as he didn't express the bigoted view that marriage is between a man and a woman, he would be fine.

If he kept that to himself, I'd love to have him post.

But it IS a litmus test. Per Skinner.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1324374

[Nye Bevan]

18. Well, he did say that marriage is a "sacred union between a man and a woman"

and that "God in the mix".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUMwQcMVmnc

This is about the only thing Barack has ever said that I have a big problem with. And it is very unfortunate that the proponents of Prop 8 used these words of Obama's in their campaigning. Given the number of people who voted for both Obama and Prop 8 it is not unreasonable to think that Prop 8 might have been defeated had Obama not said this.

Now we can hope that Obama is not really sincere in this belief (and he did state that he opposed Prop 8). I fervently hope that at some point Obama will repudiate this statement and come out unambiguously in favor of full gay marriage rights. A president like Obama will be able to lead public opinion and not cower in fear of losing the homophobic vote.

[Ellen Forradalom]

37. I'm not holding my breath

I think he sufficiently telegraphed the fact that he has no use for gays during the campaign. I don't expect a change of position from him.

[tribeofdot]

24. Didn't he officially

Oppose prop 8?

Sure he could have done more but then again he had a difficult campaign to run.

But I have faith he won't forget the gay voters who gave him support.

[Antennas]

27. It wasn't Obama's place to campaign against Prop 8.

No money was thrown into a campaign against Prop 8 in California. That isn't Obama's fault. Instead, the people who were against Prop 8 just assumed the people of California would unanimously vote against it. Unfortunately, you had several camps who bank-rolled the campaign in favor of Prop 8, and it seems all those ridiculous commercials unfortunately worked.

[tribeofdot]

30. Tis true...

But in the name of keeping high spirits I'm confident a repeal can be passed to get rid of prop 8.

I feel hopefully that with really hard campaigning we can get rid of prop 8 next election.

[AntiFascist]

31. Prop 8 may very well get overturned by the court...

see my post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4423010

[tribeofdot]

32. Thats good news...

I hope it goes our way. This issue has caused me far to much heart ache when i should be celebrating President elect Obama.

But if it should not work out I'm ready to go toe to toe with the LDS and the Knight of Columbus.

[Cali_Democrat]

33. Those commercials were wicked

We were bombarded by them here. They wanted to make it seem like prop 8 opponents were gonna turn children gay via the schools.

Unfortunately they were indeed effective.

[tribeofdot]

35. Well hit them hard all

the way till the re-match election, if the LDS and Knights of Columbus want to play politics and play the dirty tricks call them out for the liars they are. Make sure it's known, they are acting as hate groups and don't let up.

[Bluenorthwest]

62. Yeah, a leader's place is not to lead, right?

Doing the right thing was not his place? Frankly, I see opposition to discrimination to be a role suitable for all Democrats. Setting an example is what a leader does, and his inaction spoke loudly as any words would have done.
You blame the commercials. Please, be specific in explaining why the voters in question all fell for such commercials? Do you claim these voters are incapable of making their own decisions, that they are somehow not responsible for their own votes? On what basis do you say that? Myself, I think that the hate voters knew exactly what they were doing, and wanted to do that evil to their very own neighbors.
You say those who voted for hate are not to blame, rather the opposition to hate is to blame. I see the opposition as having failed on some fronts, certainly, but that in no way mitigates those who used the power of their own personal vote to create discrimination against others. They did it, they own it, that bread was cast upon the waters, and man is it going to come back to them in time. They sewed it, they will reap it. That is the law of the universe, like it or not.

[lligrd]

29. I Think Obama Would Change His Mind

if he hung out on DU for a while.

[Ellen Forradalom]

36. I prescribe more gay friends

for our president elect.

[Ellen Forradalom]

34. Maybe he did post here

and got tombstoned

:evilgrin:

[LatteLibertine]

41. Well

Obama is not for gay marriage however he did say-

"He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized."

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

His other stances on gay rights/issues are solid IMO.

[jonnyblitz]

46. the"states rights" stance was used by RACISTS to keep African

Americans down in our past so I find it IRONIC Obama would take this stance. Unbelievable and very WTF. :wtf:

[Bluenorthwest]

58. Obama was 6 or 7 when his folks marriage

became legal around the country after VA vs Loving in 1967. Irony is perhaps too weak a word for it.

[bigtree]

65. the 'states rights' argument is relevant to the issue of states being allowed to outlaw abortion

. . . if Roe vs. Wade were overturned; and to other issues as well.

[jonnyblitz]

47. If Obama were posting on DU and he posted that he was

against gay marriage he WOULD be tombstoned and I would be one of the first to ALERT on his bigoted ass. I have seen others get tombstoned for publically taking this stance on here. Unlike many of you, I am not "infactuated" with the man.

[harun]

48. Obama is not a bigot but I do think if he posted anonymously

and tried to discuss prop 8 here he would be tombstoned.

[jonnyblitz]

49. I think he came out against prop 8. If people didn't know it was

him and he posted his views on gay marriage, he WOULD be tombstoned but probably NOT if everybody knew it was him posting. he would be the exception. he is against gay marriage but also against prop 8, whatever that means.

[Cali_Democrat]

50. Obama came out against Prop 8

See here...

http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1051404.html

Why would he get tombstoned for opposing Prop 8?

:crazy:

[harun]

64. I didn't say he would get tombstoned for opposing it

although I bet if someone had a banner ad saying they opposed it in their sig they would get tombstoned. I said he would probably get tombstoned for trying to discuss it. Anyone I have seen trying to discuss it from an opposing view point has been piled on by the opposition and no real discussion occurs.

[Marrah_G]

51. I am NOT touching this one with a ten-foot pole.

[LostinVA]

52. President-Elect has shown he is willing to throw gays and their civil rights under the bus

I am not expecting much -- if anything -- from him on GLBT matters the next four years.

Skinner did recentlt state that those psoters against FULL equal rights for GLBTs are not welcome here. So, I guess it would depend on would President-Elect Obama posted, eh?

[Bluenorthwest]

57. Obama sadly holds bigoted positions

and he would not be welcome to cross my threshold with those atavistic attitudes. Ys, he is bigoted against GLBT people, or to be more specific he is prejudiced, in that he pre judges individuals based on the class of people he lumps them into. Prejudice. Pre judgment. Judgment based not on the content of one's character but on the content of one's bedroom.
He got from me the following: money. time. a primary vote. a general election vote. my most earnest promotion of his candidacy in 4 states, whenever the chance arose. All of this in spite of his personal issues against my home. Because he was a Democrat and not McCain. His views against my family did not make that work easy. It took all of my skills as a writer and an actor to get though those moments of advocacy. What more do you wish, that I should bow and say 'what O says is what I think'? Sorry, wrong Party.

[marshall]

60. He supportes civil unions for all but not gay marriage

He has been very clear about both his personal views and how he thinks government should handle this.