prohibiting gays from adopting or being foster parents is short-sighted and ultimately . . .

[OneBlueSky]

expensive, both financially and socially . . .

gays and lesbians are often willing to take in children that no one else wants -- disabled kids, AIDS babies, acting out teens, etc. . . with this block of potential caregivers no longer available, those kids will remain in group homes or be bounced from one foster placement to another until they're 18 and kicked off the system . . . many will end up needing some kind of public assistance for the rest of their lives . . . others will end up in jail or dead . . .

all because stupid people let prejudice and bigotry trump common sense and the Christian charity they claim to practice but seldom do . . .

[stray cat]

1. Singles are often prohibited as well I think

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

49. Singles are prohibited here in Arkansas

It was passed last year... funny(?) thing is, Nuns can't adopt either.

[kevinbgoode]

50. I'll bet those "singles" aren't prohibited from paying taxes to support

someone else's children, though. . .omg. . .shouldnt' the big teabaggers who run the country start screaming?

suddenly there are crickets. . .

[Bluebear]

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[CoffeeCat]

2. Let me tell you something...

I was adopted at birth, by two "Christian" heterosexuals.

I'd give anything to have been raised by two loving people--gay, lesbian, whatever.

I'd have saved thousands in therapy.

In my dreams, I would have been raised by two amazing gay men! :)

[Hello_Kitty]

121. You and me both, TwoSparkles.

I was adopted by a Roman Catholic couple who fit every criteria of the Church.

They shouldn't have been trusted with houseplants, let alone children.

[DemoRabbit]

3. Two close friends of my mom adopted a young troubled teen

... they are two gay men. This boy was someone no one wanted... very troubled and hard to handle. They have given him a loving home and he's come SO far. This is a kid that might have ended up in jail and may now be a productive member of society. Why? Because a couple, two loving and stable men who've been together a long time, decided to give him a chance.

[cali]

4. For reference purposes:

Alabama Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Alaska Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Arizona Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Arkansas Legislation is not clear whether single gays or couples can adopt.

California Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed.

Colorado Permits same-sex couple adoption. Also allows grandparents and other individuals helping raise the child to adopt.

Connecticut Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed.

Delaware Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

District of Columbia Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed.

Florida Prohibits single and joint gay adoption.

Georgia Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Hawaii Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Idaho Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Illinois Permits single GLBT and couples adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed.

Indiana Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Iowa Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Kansas Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Kentucky Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Louisiana Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Maine Permits single GLBT adoption. On August 30, 2007 the Maine Supreme Judicial Court ruled unanimously in their favor on grounds that prohibiting the adoption would be counter to Maine’s Adoption Act.

Maryland Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint gay adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Massachusetts Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed.

Michigan Permits single GLBT adoption. Prohibits joint adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Minnesota Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint gay adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Mississippi Permits single GLBT adoption. Prohibits joint adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Missouri Single GLBT and joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Montana Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Nebraska Single GLBT adoption unclear. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Prohibits second-parent adoption.

Nevada Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

New Hampshire Permits single GLBT adoption. Prohibits joint adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

New Jersey Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed.

New Mexico Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

New York Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed.

North Carolina Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption unclear.

North Dakota Single GLBT and joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Ohio Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption not allowed.

Oklahoma Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Oregon Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Pennsylvania Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption allowed.

Rhode Island Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

South Carolina Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption unclear.

South Dakota Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Tennessee Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Texas Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.

Utah Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint adoption prohibited. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Vermont Permits single GLBT and joint adoption. Second-parent adoption allowed.

Virginia Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Washington Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption in some areas.

West Virginia Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.

Wisconsin Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption prohibited.

Wyoming Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption unclear
http://outgaylife.com/gay-families/adoption-fostering/gay-adoption-laws-state/

[mdmc]

5. kick

[dsc]

7. Your list needs at least two corrections

One, Arkansas changed the Constitution to ban singles from adopting or from fostering. Florida had their ban ruled unconstitutional by a lower court in Miami.

[mdmc]

9. kick

[FreeState]

30. Also Utah only allows married couples now too

This is the new front the right is trying - they don't want GLBT parents.

[dsc]

11. Arkansas is clear now

they passed a referendum banning both cohabiting parent and gay foster parenting and adoption.

[tsuki]

6. Did you see the movie about the gay couple that adopted several

HIV positive children from Florida? I cried through most of it.

[mdmc]

8. kick

[orleans]

10. just thought i'd give this a good, swift kick

found it on page 21

not archived/locked yet.

watched martian child again the other night.

this thread deserves a kick!

[mdmc]

14. kick

ditto

[Bluebear]

15. me too

[XemaSab]

12. Word

n/t

[mdmc]

13. kick

?

[TWiley]

16. Gay Marriage with Adoption or Abortion ....... which would the fundies choose?

They would probably choose orphanages like the ones in Australia that turned into religious slave labor / sex camps.

[MajorChode]

134. They choose to testify against gays, then hire a rentboy for a vacation

Well, at least one of them anyway.

[mdmc]

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18. 505

[Bluebear]

19. Indeed.

[ColbertWatcher]

20. Not this shit again ...

For people whose heads are firmly implanted in their arses, please introduce them to the Lee Glynn family:

Dozens gathered for a memorial service organized by the youngsters’ foster father to honor the memory of Katherine Lee, the mother of 15-year-old twins Shane and Patrick; Emily, 14; and Grace, 12.

(...)

Lee, a 46-year-old employee of a Venice moving and storage company, was stricken with a heart attack at the family’s North Hollywood home. Although the children quickly called 911 and Patrick followed directions from the emergency operator and performed CPR until paramedics arrived, their mother died later at UCLA Medical Center.

A family friend took in the four children until her landlord demanded that they leave by Feb. 1. The eviction order prompted a counselor at Fairfax High School, where Shane and Patrick are students, to launch a frantic campaign to find a place for the four to live before they were swept into the county’s 51,000-child foster-care system.

(...)

Within a few days, the search turned up Glynn, who heard about the children through a gay fathers support group called Pop Luck. Because the 41-year-old television writer was already adopting an 8-year-son, Iby, he was certified as a foster father. The Lee children moved immediately into his five-bedroom West Adams District home.

--http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/15/local/me-orphans15">Los Angeles Times, 2002

Defying all odds, they have remained a family.

The four Lee siblings were together again in the rambling West Adams district house they’ve come to call home. The elder three had come back from college to celebrate the 18th birthday of their youngest sister – and to celebrate their good fortune at being rescued by total strangers when they were orphaned six years ago.

(...)

“We stayed a family. That’s the most important thing. We became a strong family,” said Shane, now 21 and a junior majoring in communications at San Francisco State. “We used to be individuals. Our dad helped our bond as a family grow.”

--http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/08/local/me-orphans8">Los Angeles Times, 2007

Please check out the links for the full story.

[ShadowLiberal]

21. Being short sighted is what the religious right is all about

Religious right judges have ruled in favor of health insurance companies that they don't have to provide birth control for women, while also ruling that they do have to provide Viagra for married men. Never mind the fact that they ruled that way on birth control for women, you would think that a health insurance company would be smart enough to think ahead and realize that if they don't offer birth control their customers could have more babies, which in turn causes them to have more medical expenses to pay for, which in the end will end up costing them more then if they had just covered birth control for women just like they have to for Viagra for men. But of course that's the short sighted thinking you get from fundies running things.

[mdmc]

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[Number23]

23. How is this not archived???

:wtf:

[Karenina]

24. It bears repeating.

[AngryOldDem]

25. I wholeheartedly agree.

What immediately comes to mind is the Catholic charities adoption organization in Boston choosing to shut down entirely rather than open the process to gay couples. Yeah...THAT'S the answer. From 2006:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/03/11/catholic_charities_stuns_state_ends_adoptions/

[mdmc]

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[seabeyond]

28. when the law was first pushed, i was concerned my gay brother in law, who will get my kids

if we die, may come into question.

i dont believe so now, but then everyone in my family is clear who will take over guardianship of the kids and finance, so i am less concerned

[mdmc]

29. 721

[XemaSab]

31. Amen. My (white) friends

adopted two black crack babies.

Are those two kids better off being raised by two middle-class gay men, or being in foster care? :think:

[madura]

32. and justice for all in the land of freedom and equality,,,

I want ot Puke on the paper that is written on. and have a good shit on it as well. Not quite as illustrated! folks.

[ColbertWatcher]

33. People who say GLBT people cannot/should not adopt need to learn about this family ...

Dozens gathered for a memorial service organized by the youngsters’ foster father to honor the memory of Katherine Lee, the mother of 15-year-old twins Shane and Patrick; Emily, 14; and Grace, 12.

(...)

Lee, a 46-year-old employee of a Venice moving and storage company, was stricken with a heart attack at the family’s North Hollywood home. Although the children quickly called 911 and Patrick followed directions from the emergency operator and performed CPR until paramedics arrived, their mother died later at UCLA Medical Center.

A family friend took in the four children until her landlord demanded that they leave by Feb. 1. The eviction order prompted a counselor at Fairfax High School, where Shane and Patrick are students, to launch a frantic campaign to find a place for the four to live before they were swept into the county’s 51,000-child foster-care system.

(...)

Within a few days, the search turned up Glynn, who heard about the children through a gay fathers support group called Pop Luck. Because the 41-year-old television writer was already adopting an 8-year-son, Iby, he was certified as a foster father. The Lee children moved immediately into his five-bedroom West Adams District home.

--http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/15/local/me-orphans15">Los Angeles Times, 2002

Defying all odds, they have remained a family.

The four Lee siblings were together again in the rambling West Adams district house they’ve come to call home. The elder three had come back from college to celebrate the 18th birthday of their youngest sister – and to celebrate their good fortune at being rescued by total strangers when they were orphaned six years ago.

(...)

“We stayed a family. That’s the most important thing. We became a strong family,” said Shane, now 21 and a junior majoring in communications at San Francisco State. “We used to be individuals. Our dad helped our bond as a family grow.”

--http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/08/local/me-orphans8">Los Angeles Times, 2007

Please check out the links for the full story.

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[Toasterlad]

36. Not to Mention Immoral, Bigoted, and Flat Out Evil.

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[HOLOS]

40. YES

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anyone know why this thread remains active?

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[Expedite Trucker]

45. But they'll teach them to be gay-give me a break-homophobes

[jesus_of_suburbia]

84. My parents certainly didn't teach me to be straight!

And they are homophobes of the highest order (well my mom isn't so much compared to my dad).... I would never have chosen to be gay, I was conflicted as hell when I was a child (and the hurt of rejection never goes away, or at least it hasn't yet).



*I know your post was sarcasm... I was just agreeing by telling my true story.

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[Jkid]

51. What's with the numbers?

n/t

[mdmc]

54. these threads never die

The numbers represent the number of views prior to my kick from page 21 to page 1..

[Bluebear]

126. 21 to 1 again

[Bluebear]

132. .

[crazy_vanilla]

52. yes, that is the most ridiculous thing I've heard

Gays and lesbians are loving and capable parents. Why wouldn't they have the rights to have a family with children if they wanted to?

This blatant discrimination sh*t is making me crazy!

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

53. kick

[pipi_k]

55. Calling it short-sighted is actually being too kind. It's just plain nasty.

So many children needing and deserving good homes.

The RW fuckers don't have a problem seeing kids being abused or mistreated as long as the parents pass their "morals" test... i.e. they're straight and married.


I can't even think of words adequate enough to describe how disgusted I am at that.

May RW idiots who keep kids from being adopted by parents who can/will love them spend eternity in Hell.

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1700 views,.

this thread never goes inactive. it gets hung up on page 21,,

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61. kick

[graywarrior]

62. Kicky poo!

[mdmc]

63. 1900

thread views...

[mdmc]

64. 1951

anyone else see this old thread still kickin

[Telly Savalas]

65. Kick, but too late to recommend.

This is one of those threads which don't elicit much discussion, because the OP succinctly says all that needs to be said on a topic.

[TommyO]

66. What a wonderful story

A family brought together through tragedy that manages to thrive in a world that mostly denigrates gay people and our families.

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67. 2027 views to date

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[Romulox]

72. Too late to rec, but consider this a "100% in agreement" kick. nt

[bullwinkle428]

73. I'm sorry the recommendation period is over. I can only kick & endorse!

:thumbsup:

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[Hepburn]

80. Amen....

...I practiced law in SoCal for a long time and I did a lot of child custody. Gay, straight, bi, trans-gendered, whatever ~~ I NEVER saw any difference in parenting skills because someone was a particular sexual orientation versus another.

I do have to say, tho, what impressed me so very much is that gay couples and singles seem to have more empathy and seem to be more willing and more able to take a less than perfect child or baby. Some willingly sought out HIV / AIDS babies and lovingly raised them.

So...that's my 2-cents worth...and there are children going without loving homes. Why the hell cut out those who are willing to take them, raise them and love them?

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83. kick

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this thread never dies..

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[Quantess]

91. OMG, this thread is over a year old!

[FreeState]

94. And yet sadly GLBT families and children still don't have their civil rights n/t

[bigwillq]

119. Sad, indeed.

:( But our fierce advocate is working on it. :eyes:

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[Echo In Light]

95. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

[JI7]

96. sadly, some people would rather have kids be abused, and die than have gays adopt them

[Nikki Stone1]

97. I wish I could recommend this one. It's too late.

:thumbsup:

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[ZombieHorde]

100. Our love for religion and tradition should be abandoned. nt

[JackDragna]

101. NO! Gays can't have the babies!

They'll turn them all into liberal-loving sodomites, full of critical thinking and open-mindedness! Who will donate to churches then?

[cherokeeprogressive]

102. 3559

[xchrom]

103. A ruby slipper kick

[Canuckistanian]

104. Testing, 1.2.3

This is a test of the NET system (Never Ending Thread).

[galileoreloaded]

105. Sombody HAD to do it......n/t

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[Gore1FL]

110. You are correct on the short sitedness

But I don't think it is Christianity to blame, but rather the people who don;t understand their own religion to use it as an excuse to block adoption to a loving home.

Critical difference.

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[AnArmyVeteran]

115. My ex sister in law saved a Chinese girl from certain death... against a republican's wishes...

My ex sister in law and her lesbian partner went to China to adopt a little girl. If they didn't the girl wouldn't have lived long or would have been sold into prostitution. But right wing conservative christians would rather a vulnerable child be sold into prostitution than be allowed to go to a loving home. Right wing christians believe a child living in an abusive home with deranged HETEROSEXUAL parents is better than a child growing up in a nurturing, loving, supportive home with two same sex partners.

My representative, Robert Talton of Texas, tried to get a law passed that would have empowered state social workers to go to anyone house and ask the occupant if they are gay or straight. And if they answered 'gay' then the social worker would have been empowered by law to remove all children from the homes. And this right wing republican claimed to be a Christian. People like him sicken me and give all Christianity a bad name. What is it with conservative christians that fill them with so much hatred? Robert Talton is just another religious fanatic who is completely void of any empathy or compassion. He has no idea what the teachings of Jesus meant.

If right wing christians had the chance they would turn our country into a 3rd century theology and our laws would be just as savage as those practiced by other backward countries controlled by religious fanatics. There are NO differences between fundamentalist christians and Al Qaeda. Both will use any means to achieve their evil ends. And both want to oppress the will of everyone who does not believe as they do, which includes all the sane people in the world.

Call Robert Talton of Texas and demand he resign. He is a disgrace and a danger. And if soulless creatures like him were given the chance that precious little Chinese girl would have been sold into prostitution at the age of 5 instead of living in a supportive, loving home with two women who are partners.

Right wing christianity is absolute evil.

[krabigirl]

116. .4451

[cherokeeprogressive]

117. Prohibiting gays and lesbians from doing ANYTHING straights can do is fucking barbaric.

That's my feeling on the subject.

[proteus_lives]

118. I agree.

LGBT folks are just as capable as heteros in parenting.

[JI7]

120. people who want to ban gays from adopting don't care about the kids

[defendandprotect]

122. In Hawaii, they were the "default" parents for orphaned children and much loved for that ...

PLUS . . . "Hetereosexual males are 100X more likely to sexually abuse

children than homosexual males"!

[Bluebear]

123. .

[MountainLaurel]

124. In a somewhat related issue, out of LA

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/04/senate_panel_rejects_gay_adopt.html

[Bluebear]

125. kick

[Bluebear]

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[Codeine]

127. More to the point, it's actually downright evil and bigoted. nt

[JI7]

128. people who want to ban gays from adopting don't give a shit about any kids

they would rather kids be in abusive homes with non gays than with gay parents who would take good care of them.

[Bluebear]

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[BeFree]

135. kick

[ampad]

136. You can bet

That most people who are against gays adopting children are also against abortion. I do not have solid evidence of that but I am willing to bet that is the case. I wish I could rec this thread.