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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:49 PM
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Chris Hedges: America the Illiterate
via CommonDreams:



Published on Monday, November 10, 2008 by TruthDig.com
America the Illiterate

by Chris Hedges


We live in two Americas. One America, now the minority, functions in a print-based, literate world. It can cope with complexity and has the intellectual tools to separate illusion from truth. The other America, which constitutes the majority, exists in a non-reality-based belief system. This America, dependent on skillfully manipulated images for information, has severed itself from the literate, print-based culture. It cannot differentiate between lies and truth. It is informed by simplistic, childish narratives and clichés. It is thrown into confusion by ambiguity, nuance and self-reflection. This divide, more than race, class or gender, more than rural or urban, believer or nonbeliever, red state or blue state, has split the country into radically distinct, unbridgeable and antagonistic entities.

There are over 42 million American adults, 20 percent of whom hold high school diplomas, who cannot read, as well as the 50 million who read at a fourth- or fifth-grade level. Nearly a third of the nation’s population is illiterate or barely literate. And their numbers are growing by an estimated 2 million a year. But even those who are supposedly literate retreat in huge numbers into this image-based existence. A third of high school graduates, along with 42 percent of college graduates, never read a book after they finish school. Eighty percent of the families in the United States last year did not buy a book.

The illiterate rarely vote, and when they do vote they do so without the ability to make decisions based on textual information. American political campaigns, which have learned to speak in the comforting epistemology of images, eschew real ideas and policy for cheap slogans and reassuring personal narratives. Political propaganda now masquerades as ideology. Political campaigns have become an experience. They do not require cognitive or self-critical skills. They are designed to ignite pseudo-religious feelings of euphoria, empowerment and collective salvation. Campaigns that succeed are carefully constructed psychological instruments that manipulate fickle public moods, emotions and impulses, many of which are subliminal. They create a public ecstasy that annuls individuality and fosters a state of mindlessness. They thrust us into an eternal present. They cater to a nation that now lives in a state of permanent amnesia. It is style and story, not content or history or reality, which inform our politics and our lives. We prefer happy illusions. And it works because so much of the American electorate, including those who should know better, blindly cast ballots for slogans, smiles, the cheerful family tableaux, narratives and the perceived sincerity and the attractiveness of candidates. We confuse how we feel with knowledge.

The illiterate and semi-literate, once the campaigns are over, remain powerless. They still cannot protect their children from dysfunctional public schools. They still cannot understand predatory loan deals, the intricacies of mortgage papers, credit card agreements and equity lines of credit that drive them into foreclosures and bankruptcies. They still struggle with the most basic chores of daily life from reading instructions on medicine bottles to filling out bank forms, car loan documents and unemployment benefit and insurance papers. They watch helplessly and without comprehension as hundreds of thousands of jobs are shed. They are hostages to brands. Brands come with images and slogans. Images and slogans are all they understand. Many eat at fast food restaurants not only because it is cheap but because they can order from pictures rather than menus. And those who serve them, also semi-literate or illiterate, punch in orders on cash registers whose keys are marked with symbols and pictures. This is our brave new world. .......(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/11/10-6




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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:53 PM
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1. That was the GOP plan all along. Break the education system and you
skew the electorate toward voting Repub.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:12 PM
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6. EXACTLY!!! An ignorant electorate is the best friend of the repukes...
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:14 PM by BrklynLiberal
Only that kind of voter would have helped to elect an Alfred E. Newman clone for President..and then aided and abetted his re-election.
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dothemath Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:04 AM
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49. Check it out ...........
Some of you history buffs may want to research the part of Strom Thurmond's legacy that describes his efforts in trying to prevent compulsory public school attendance in South Carolina. As the textile industry moved south and the mill owners saw that starvation wages, mill housing, company store, etc. - pretty much enslaving small communities to the local mill - could still be profitable, even though growing cotton and getting it to bales was as far as they were willing to trust dumb southerners to do. Profitable because as long as there were enough workers at 50cents/day, they could still make money while attempting to import skilled help from the northern textile manufacturing plants finding a few southerners who were trainable.

When some enlightened politicians in South Carolina brought up compulsory education, ol' Strom was in the forefront of those who were against it.

Dig a little deeper and you will find republicans supporting Strom. Ever hear of Deering-Milliken?

As late as the 1930s, children as young as 10 were working in the mills in the south. They had to be tethered to the machines to which they were assigned - you know how kids are - short attention span and whatnot, they could get hurt if they were running around unsupervised in a room full of machinery.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 10:58 AM
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62. The Dumbing Down of America - And it has worked.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 03:41 PM
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83. I've been saying this for years.
Remember all the kids who said 'why do I have to learn this stuff. I'm never going to use it'....well they didn't learn it and they've never needed it.......and they gave us Reagan and shrub.

I don't remember my parents having to spend hours a night augmenting my education but I don't leave my kids's education to the public schools these days. (and mind you, that is NOT a diss at today's teachers, it is directed at NCLB). Just about every night my husband or I are filling in (gaping) holes or clarifying muddied 'truths' in the course work.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:55 PM
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2. the United States of Uhhhmerica
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:12 PM
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7. or, the United States of slambamthankyouma'America
after getting screwed for 8 long years by the tiny dicks of the gop....
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Lordquinton Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:33 AM
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66. 8 long years
of "is it in yet?"
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:58 PM
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3. Sounds like my brother-in-law
who hasn't read a book in the 22 years I've known him but listens to Limbaugh religiously and, of course, votes Republican every time -- IF he votes (I can't be sure he actually makes it to the polls, and I sure as hell don't remind him).

Maybe by recognizing the problem, we can begin to address it. It won't change overnight, but an Obama presidency should help. Sad to comprehend, but Pres. Bush is the poster child of illiterate America.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:02 PM
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4. I'm giving the article a standing ovation
and a K&R
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:19 PM
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85. That would be an ovation. A standing applause.
You illiterate, you!

The Dutch take Obama pretty good. We still have some reservations though, particulary about gun-control, stance on abortion, stance on Iraq, Iran and a number of other countries. His loyalty to Israel is a scary one to us Europeans. How'bout the Germans?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:26 PM
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95. wow..all those 'reservations' you have sound like the GOP talking points
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 09:26 PM by angstlessk
all but the Israel policy..which they will turn on...cause they want Jesus to return and all the bad Jews will go to hell...

Or on another note...all your concerns INCLUDING the one on Israel sounds like a white supremist?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:30 PM
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96. DELETE...DUPE
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 09:31 PM by angstlessk
only an ovation does NOT require one to stand:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
o⋅va⋅tion   /oʊˈveɪʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. an enthusiastic public reception of a person, marked esp. by loud and prolonged applause.
2. Roman History. the ceremonial entrance into Rome of a commander whose victories were of a lesser degree of importance than that for which a triumph was accorded. Compare triumph (def. 4).
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:30 PM
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97. according to you a 'standing ovation' would be a redundant...
only an ovation does NOT require one to stand:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
o⋅va⋅tion   /oʊˈveɪʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. an enthusiastic public reception of a person, marked esp. by loud and prolonged applause.
2. Roman History. the ceremonial entrance into Rome of a commander whose victories were of a lesser degree of importance than that for which a triumph was accorded. Compare triumph (def. 4).
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:11 PM
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5. scary
80% did not buy a single book? I wonder how many of them are over at that other place.

And to think that the right wing thinks the answers for our educational ills are private and homeschooling.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:38 PM
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14. well lots of people use libraries
it's worse than that if you look at the things that people do read - The National Enquirer, Reader's Digest, Sidney Sheldon, Danielle Steele and Rush, Sean, and Coulter all have books as do many religions. I noted that people usually bought books that would reinforce their own biases. Also, people bought books for their grandchildren. Nice that they encouraged the younger generation to read, but also noteworthy that they apparently were not reading themselves.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:35 PM
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18. I use libraries and used book stores quite a lot
but I also read a lot.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:13 PM
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99. Reading is also such a part of my life that
it's hard for me to imagine anyone NOT loving to read.

It's a legacy from my dad...I don't think I ever saw him without something...newspaper....book...anything...to read.

He was also very fond of (and very good at) doing crossword puzzles and other word games


And that apparently was a legacy passed on to him by his mom, who, BTW, dropped out of his life when he was five years old...and he never met her again until just before she died when he was in his 50s. So it's not like he actually learned to do it from her...

Which I think is very interesting....


anyway...my home is filled with books...hubby and I both love to read

we use the library... buy yard sale books...books from the Goodwill...boxes of books on eBay...

I revel in the smell and feel of books

If I couldn't read, I think I would go insane


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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:59 PM
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20. I'm a romance author
Before you bash my genre, you might want to remember that a) romance novels are not the "bodice rippers" of thirty years ago; they actually have to be well-written to sell in this market, and b) they get people reading. Romance novels also make up fifty percent of the mass market fiction sold in the USA.

It's been my experience that those who bash the genre have never even picked up a romance novel, let alone read one.

Danielle Steel is not a romance author, according to Romance Writers of America's definition. Her books don't have a happy ending, which is a hallmark of our genre.

IMHO, YMMV.
Julie
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 09:12 PM
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31. I only bashed Danielle Steele because I have read her
I did not mention the genre, but as a bookstore owner I read a fair amount of the genre. Much more than I would have if I had not been in the book business.

However, that they get people reading, is not a convincing argument if what they are reading is not good quality.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:00 AM
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52. I suspect you believe it's not a good argument because you're a long-time, committed reader,
as am I. BUT, the argument _is_ a good one. I grew up in a family of serious readers, but my little sister by the age of 12 had shown NO interest in reading and had not once in her life read a book cover to cover for pleasure or enlightenment. So my parents gave up on trying to force my sister to read, and at about the same time, my sister discovered the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys series of books and suddenly took to reading as though it were some great, undiscovered mystery that she had harnessed. I was reading adult biographies at 12, and our brother was reading science-oriented adult textbooks at that age; neither of us would have been caught dead reading Nancy Drew or the Hardy Boys. But those are the books that got my sister hooked on reading not just fiction, but newspapers and news magazines, and -- later -- adult fiction and non-fiction.

Different strokes, I guess.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:19 PM
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74. Your story is interesting but...
Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys are for the age group she was in, no?. They are excellent examples of books for young readers. They are also period books from the 1940's and 50's. They have nothing to do with adults reading drek.

Romance novels have been around for centuries. (Remember Elenore Lavish from "Room with a View"?) They are intended to be light entertainment. Like everything, some are good, some are bad, and some explode the genre and become literature. The same thing happened to science fiction.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 09:30 PM
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32. Feminism has really had a huge impact on the genre
My reading in it tends more to cross-over successes, though.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:21 PM
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37. your hard work
keeps this scientist sane - there are only so many molecular papers one can read before going crazy.

thanks
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curse of greyface Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:27 AM
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46. Well since Danielle Steele is Harper Lee's pen name who wrote
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:31 AM
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58. This does not appear to be true.
I'm not sure why you would continue shopping this falsehood around.
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curse of greyface Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:17 AM
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63. Cause its fun....
Someday in the future some lazy junior high school kid will do a google search and hand in a paper on To Kill a Mockingbird that claims the author was Danielle Steele... and at that point my soul will smile a little.

(and yes I wrote that out of the whole cloth)
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:10 PM
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72. Nice that they encouraged the younger generation to read
Reading....other than a magazine or blog... is now like art: it's for children.

I can't stand it! Every art fair or art class or museum exhibit I see locally advertised is all "bring the kids!". It's all for kids. When you grow up, for some reason, you put art, museums and reading aside. Adults have too many "important" things to deal with and after that, who wants to have to figure anything out to enjoy it. Just pump in the same ol' beat with some lyrics that say the same old thing and Tah Dah! MUSIC....background music because who sits in a chair and listens to music these days?
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:25 PM
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93. "It's the economy stupid!"
I have ALWAYS bought books...............I have so many I barely fit in my little 6 room farmhouse. BUT there is a list of books I HAVEN"T bought that I really need, ( reference books for my artwork) for several years, can't afford them.
( If older Americans don't get enough SS to buy medicine,do you think they will give us enough for BOOKS?)
However I can get almost any book TO READ, from the inter library loan system if my library doesn't have it.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:12 PM
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8. I like most of what he's written, but certainly don't believe that Obama won because he kept a
'vision' out there and not because he, himself, is a smart and critical thinker.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:15 PM
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9. Could it be both?
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:16 PM
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11. obama the man is a smart and critical thinker
obama the handled instrument of the party is a manipulable image-force that is subject to marketers and vision artists.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:16 PM
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10. Thanks, and bookmarking to finish this evening. n/t
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:35 PM
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12. as usual, Hedges is spot on---this has been on the rise
over decades.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:18 PM
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13. Now we know why the GOP dares to float the idea of Palin 2012.
And also why Obama is so very committed to improving public education.

It has really galled me as a US citizen who has lived abroad and seen their schools, how undemocratic the system is in the USA.

To base school funding, equipment and facilities upon the local tax base seems really unfair.

There should be national standards for a high quality education for all citizens.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:41 PM
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15. Illiterate?! How DARE you
My mom and dad were married a full week before I was born!
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:49 PM
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16. Kick this 100 times..what a crucial issue this is.
:kick: :kick:
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:51 PM
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17. Whatever else Obama may accomplish,
I am hopeful he will reverse the insidious "dumbing-down" of America that the right wing has so carefully fostered all these years.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:50 PM
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19. This does not take into account "poor literacy".
As a returning college student at age 34, let me confirm many of your deep, dark suspicions: Many college students (age 19 to 24) are only partially literate. This means they can "read", but pronunciation, comprehension, spelling,and more abstract aspects such as context clues and subtexts are severely stunted. Severely. I find it very disturbing and am aware of it in every class.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:59 PM
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21. I see that all the time at work. (nt)
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:11 PM
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91. so do i...barely literate people
sending emails :scared:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:14 PM
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23.  I had same experience. Good news was they graded on a curve.
Made it golden for my grades and scholarships.
Not too golden when I ran into field supervisors who had deficit thinking skills.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:07 PM
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22. This is truly disturbing.
Even vastly improving our educational system will still leave an immense pool of functionally-illiterate adults. How do even begin to teach them?
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FedoraLV Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 06:09 PM
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26. Help Is On the Way
There are literacy programs for partly-literate adults: I tutored at a GED preparation program which met exactly that need. All of the adults there knew the alphabet and could read: but not easily or well.

Volunteer to teach people to read: there are many programs out there that that need funds and volunteers. (I did not need any credentials or preparation but a High School education, myself.)

-FedoraLV
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 09:31 PM
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33. Good point. If this worries you, put your time where your mouth is n/t
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:25 PM
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24. This post makes me want to emulate myself on a pier.
Ok, in all seriousness, this scares me. 1/3 of Americans are functionally illiterate???
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 07:40 PM
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29. Emulation being the most succinct form of flatulence, I comprehend you for your bravery.
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 07:41 PM by petgoat
The soul of bravery being wet, the pier is an opprobrious place for your emulation.




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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 11:25 PM
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41. LOL. Norm Crosby is smiling down on you guys from malaprop heaven.
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 11:27 PM by bertman
Distant and Petgoat, I'll bet that y'all drink decapitated coffee, don't you?

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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:32 PM
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25. "Many eat at fast food restaurants not only because it is cheap but because they can order from
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 05:34 PM by sleebarker
pictures rather than menus."

The man speaks the truth on that, although not on the second bit. I worked at Arby's for three years, and I seriously worried about people driving cars when they couldn't read the menu or understand very basic math.

It also held up the line, because I'd have to read the menu to them and go over information that was plastered everywhere for them to read.

And of course when these people who couldn't even read treated me like I was dumber than shit when my 7th grade SAT score could run circles around their high school score, it really made me angry.

My coworkers were all over the bell curve of intelligence, though - one in particular was very bright, but had grown up in hotels with a crack-addicted mother and moved out on his own as soon as he graduated from high school and was paying his own way through life. Last I heard of him he'd taken a job at Cinnabon's at the airport. You would think that supposedly liberal people would know better than to believe the conservative story of everyone achieving whatever they're capable of no matter where they start in life and thus that working in fast food is your own damn fault because you're stupid.

I miss him, he was my closest friend since high school.

Anyway, I am currently trying to cure my delusion that humans are rational and self-aware intelligent beings and this article definitely helps with that.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 06:39 PM
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27. Thanks
That's a really good article and I thankyou for posting it. Although I suspect the message will be lost on most.
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 06:51 PM
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28. Yes! The 'dumbing down' of America
...is tied directly to GOP ideology since Nixon. I've been saying this for years and people look at me funny (for that). Great article.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:29 PM
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76. The 'dumbing down' of America
... is also tied directly to religion.... and it has before America even existed.

It's funny because religions used to be strong on education (still pretend they are)....thru the prism of their religions of course.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 07:44 PM
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30. A superb article
Frightening. Hubby and I spent more on books this year than anything else other than food and utilities.
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MyOwnPeace Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 09:48 PM
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34. Well............
that adds to the understanding of the popularity of Sarah Failin, doesn't it?
Also, not only do the fast food people have to post pictures for the consumers, they need to show the cooking instructions in pictures for the "chefs!"
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:09 PM
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35. In line to vote with me was..
a woman in her 50's I'd guess.

She told me:

She had never voted before. She had been encouraged by her church
to register, and she did, and to vote, which she was in line to do.

She said her church gave her a one sheet page that showed quotes and
reports about McCain and Obama.

She said 'her mind was made up' when she read on that page that Obama
had said during the campaign that he had visited '57 states,' telling me
that 'anyone who doesn't know how many states there are sure can't be
president!'

Later, she spotted young children standing at the 'kids vote' desk and asked
me, 'do their votes count?'

I submit that as long as Americans have credit cards, cars, and gasoline, that
education is not a priority.

QED







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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:15 AM
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56. Credit cards, cars, and gasoline are on the chopping block!
;-)
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:15 PM
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36. Republicans Know Harming Public Education Creates Folks They can Manipulate
Keeping poor people uneducated, keeps those poor people from demanding better pay and better treatment.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:29 PM
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38. Can sum1 pls red ths 2 me? thksbai. n/t
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:45 AM
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42. 1337 15 b3773R.
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:shrug:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 10:17 AM
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60. w38s73Rs S4ys S0
Personally, I think "leet" is the most moronic thing to come from the minds of an organism which has a nearly limitless capacity for moronic things. It is a code which people use among themselves, the main attribute of which is the fact that it looks almost exactly like the words the sender wishes to communicate. That fact makes the decoding of the message immediately obvious, even to the bemused bystanders who are assumed by the snickering cool kids to be ignorant of the code's rules. D00d.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:54 PM
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39. Ah, so true. Many times I have been chatting with a friend or acquaintance about some
subject and think that they might like to read more about it in a book or two that I have. But I don't even bother to ask if they want it anymore because I know they won't read it.

It's very sad, because reading almost anything gives you more understanding and insight. Even novels broaden your grasp of the world around you.

When people first walk into our house their jaws drop, almost every vertical surface is shelved and packed with books. It isn't unusual for a trip to the bookstore to cost between $100 and $200.

Which reminds me, it's that time of night to read; currently James Bamford's "The Shadow Factory" a spy story going on right now in everybody's real life.

BTW, Chris Hedges is a national treasure. K&R.


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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:31 AM
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50. Sounds like we share home-decorating techniques.
I've often said that wherever you sit in my home there is reading material within arm's reach. And book stores just feed the addiction.

When my older son was complaining about how much work was involved with moving from one furnished apartment to another, I asked him how much stuff he actually had to move. He said boxes and boxes of books. I raised him well.

Have you checked out www.librarything.com (just enter the ISBN number and it pulls up all the information for you). My personal collection of 3,553 (and still growing) books is at http://www.librarything.com/profile/sisaruus
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:38 AM
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53. That looks interesting.
I'll have to check it out when I have more time. My wife has some program she uses and has been scanning the bar codes in to catalog our newer books. This helps to keep us from buying duplicates, which is easier than one would think when authors have series going and you are trying to read them in order. And when you read as many books as we do, it's hard to remember if you've read this one or that one.

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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 02:29 PM
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79. I get the same reaction from guests, and I only have two book shelves.
It's not like I'm a voracious reader. I would think everyone would have enough books to fill a couple of shelves with vocational materials and fiction alone. It's hard *not* to amass a certain amount of books.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 02:34 PM
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80. Oops- doublepost.
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 02:35 PM by Marr
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 11:12 PM
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40. Illiterate America: the perfect workforce for a service economy. They'll do whatever they're told,
work for below-subsistence wages, expect no benefits and minimal safety standards, and blame their plight on the elite liberals.

An earlier post suggested that these illiterate Americans could go to classes to improve their reading/comprehension skills. My experience as a building contractor is that the ones who need those classes the most are rarely in a position to take advantage of them. They are almost always working two jobs or side jobs, plus trying to raise the kids, and somewhere in there, trying to find time to relax--which usually consists of watching TV. They live in the worst kind of self-perpetuating ignorance cycle. What is really scary is that most of these folks take pride in being "rednecks" and "just plain folks", and many of them would view adult education as too much trouble. And not so ironically, many of them want their kids to have better educations and opportunities than they have had, but they don't know how to help them accomplish that goal.

This election reinforced in me the points Chris Hedges outlines regarding the no-nothing electorate. I worked to get potential Democratic voters to vote because I wanted Obama to win the election. While I was trying to get people registered I encountered ignorance and apathy in our so-called Democratic base that was frankly appalling. Many of the poorest voters that I talked to had no idea what Obama's campaign ideas and platforms were, and only knew to vote for him because he was going to help poor people. I certainly agreed with them that Obama is going to help poor people, but it did not make me feel good about our democracy to know that the woefully uninformed have just as much say as those who make it their mission to know what the issues are and where the candidates stand on them.

A better education system is one part of the long-term solution to this problem, but weaning the viewing public off of their propaganda teat is going to be one helluva battle.



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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:05 AM
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43. Don't know how to read? Thank a teacher.
Every time evidence of the incompetence of America's education system pops up, the educators find someone else to blame. They can't teach kids to read, but they sure know how to shuffle off blame.
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clyrc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:22 AM
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44. Books are so essential to my life I can't believe so few people buy books
I have unread library books and books I bought in my house right now, and I get into a panic if I don't. I worry some about the only non reader in my family, my youngest daughter who is dyslexic. I sympathize with her difficulty reading, but worry about the consequences of not reading.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:38 AM
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67. Don't give up on your daughter. I have a good friend who is a screen
writer and director who is dyslexic. I have helped him 'correct' scripts but it is truly amazing how he has managed to get along successfully. His success must have involved enormous patience and tenacity all along his lifetime's path.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:02 PM
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94. My son was dyslexic.
We sent him to a private school for dyslexics only 7th grade ( not a learning disabled mix) after he had some disciplinary problems in public school.
Not exactly surer how they did it, they stressed horseback riding, abd skiing, one on one tutors. He went from 4th grade to 1st year college in that one year.
Years later..............in 2004.....as enthusiastic a Democrat as there is.....he wizzed through about 45 books like Molly Ivans, Frame an Elphant, etc.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:25 AM
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45. I saw this earlier and hated it. Hedges told us about the worst of us.
I thought his article was a downer in the worst way.

How about this? Possible solutions never got the time of day:

The Obama Education Agenda. 109 views, nary a comment. It's not close to perfect, but it's now a distraction.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x400344
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 02:30 AM
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47. money quote:
The change from a print-based to an image-based society has transformed our nation. Huge segments of our population, especially those who live in the embrace of the Christian right and the consumer culture, are completely unmoored from reality. They lack the capacity to search for truth and cope rationally with our mounting social and economic ills.

Tinkering, even massive tinkering, with our educational system will not fix this. "The change from print based to image based society." Bingo. Television anyone? It's all about the propaganda box sitting in everyone's living room. As long as that remains, we will continue the descent unabated.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 05:19 PM
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86. Yep, print-based to image-based society: not good. If you haven't already,
read Jerry Mander's book "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" -- it's 30 years old, but he got it ALL right, way back then. He was an ad guy and could see it all coming.
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walktall7 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:04 PM
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90. Sounds like a very interesting book. N/T
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:51 PM
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89. I used to think this was a silly argument, after all, I've always read and still watched TV.
After I got fed up with the onslaught of insultingly transparent propaganda, lies, ever increasing price, and steadily declining quality of programs I turned it off.

Now three years later, I've learned three things.

I can no longer even tolerate the idiocy that spews out of the soma display for more than a couple of hours when I'm visiting friends or hanging out where it is on.

I've become a social outcast since I rarely know what the hell people are talking about because people spend an inordinate amount of time talking about television programs.

Everybody from Frank Zappa to Bill Buckley was right about how insidious and warping it is.

This should have been my clue, maybe some of you will get it and act on it. Nobody that matters in this world watches television except as much as is necessary to their profession, usually news. Even successful actors don't watch it and many have never seen the shows they work on, they just don't have the time, they're too busy working at their craft.


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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 03:21 AM
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48. Truth n/t
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:40 AM
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51. A Few Of His Points Seem Nits Being Picked
At least in the posted portion, the idea that if you don't buy a book you're illiterate seems silly. If you're reading his piece on commondreams, then you're not illiterate whether you've bought a book in the last year or not.

And remember, there are LOTS of people who bought books by Coulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, & Hannity. Does that make them automatically literate because they bought a book?

That seems to be a very weak part of his argument, and makes his whole point somewhat tenuous.
The Professor
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:02 AM
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54. I suppose it's possible to be highly literate and never buy a book.
It seems fairly unlikely. Buying, of course, doesn't mean one is actually reading, but the assumption is that if most people take the trouble to make a trip to the bookstore and fork out the money they're charging for a book these days, it's probably going to be read. I also have known people who bought books in bulk at a used bookstore to line a built-in shelf to use a decoration. I would imagine they're never read in that case.

Those books by Coulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, & Hannity (besides the ones sold in bulk to get them on the NYT bestseller list) I would guess are rarely read or read all the way through. I know people who give them as gifts to other RWers and they sit on a coffee table or shelf more as a display of who they are than a testament to their reading ability. And yes, if they do actually read them, it would help to improve their ability to read no matter what the content.

I suppose a better question to ask isn't how many books people buy, but how much reading they do. Which is much harder to quantify. Palin when asked (about periodicals) said she read everything but could come up with an examples of what she actually read.

Just my 2 cents.

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:23 AM
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57. Your 2 Cents, I'll Take!
I think if one actually reads news stories from several newpapers on the net, and reads magazines, and COULD read through a book with more weight than a murder mystery, then one is literate no matter how many books they buy in a year.

So, your definition of literate based upon how much reading they do is a good one by me!
GAC
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:16 PM
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92. add to your argument: electronic texts
no need to buy it if you can read it online.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:27 PM
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71. "We confuse how we feel with knowledge."
This also explains our election "choices" for the last 40 years or so.
:kick: & R

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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:11 AM
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55. I didn't buy a book in the past year...
...and probably even two and maybe even three years.
Yet, I'm highly literate, have shelves and shelves full of 'em, and have read many of the classics.
In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the only two books I've read in the past year or more were "Rats" and "The Audacity of Hope."
Statistics don't tell the whole story.
I probably spend 5 hours a day reading, mostly on the internet.

Still, this was an interesting article, very telling, and quite alarming.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:32 AM
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59. I don't buy books, but I borrow them from the library
I have so darn many of them already that I don't dare clutter up the house with more. And I read constantly, btw, because it's preferable to television.

When I was growing up, there was always a core group of readers; everyone else read seldom or intermittently. I think that same core group of readers is there; I see them at Borders, groups of kids hanging out with their books, but the folks who used to be intermittent readers don't read at all.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 10:37 AM
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61. Remember: Ignorant and unschooled = "Real American"
All you people with book-learning are just snotty elites and your patriotism is in question.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:22 AM
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64. K&R Thanks marmar for posting this important info. Certainly explains
much of what is happening in the U.S.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:29 AM
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65. at one point men didn't allow women to learn how to read


a way to keep us down and under control.

some women secretly learned to read anyway.

and then the men wouldn't let women vote.

women got beaten up, killed, jailed, force fed, etc. to get the voting rights for women.

veterans from a war seldom mentioned. I remember our foremothers in the male war against women.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:43 AM
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68. How I met my wife.
A series of personal tragedies had left her near destitute.
She was working a minimum wage job, and living in a Women's Boarding House.
She had managed to find a better place to live, but she didn't have a car, so she she asked a friend to help her move.
When we arrived on Saturday morning, she had all of her belongings stacked in the front hallway......nine heavy boxes of books, and two suitcases for clothes.

I knew she was The One.
:hug:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:06 PM
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69. Idiocracy: coming soon to a country near you.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:10 PM
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70. Just to highlight my typos tend to be as I am poor sighted and over zealous with the submit button.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:19 PM
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73. Whatever happened to that campaign..
"Reading is Fundamental"? A lot more effort should be put into schools and adult education to get folks reading skills upgraded. It really is fundamental to educating yourself about the world and your personal living enviroment. Of course politicians from both sides prefer to keep much of the populace ignorant and subservient.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:26 PM
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75. Now that I have read the entire article, I have one criticism of Hedges'
summation presented in his last sentence:

"Obama used hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds to appeal to and manipulate this illiteracy and irrationalism to his advantage, but these forces will prove to be his most deadly nemesis once they collide with the awful reality that awaits us.'

He accuses PE Obama of manipulating the illiterate. If so many adults are truly illiterate, it seems to me the PE Obama tactics, for lack of a better word, were inclusive of millions who might otherwise would not have become involved in this historic election. He had to work with what was present. We can't blame him for the problem. He used the tools necessary to get elected. NOW that he has won, he will be able to address and, hopefully, increase literacy. Hedges' last clause leaves me cold and wondering. eom

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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:09 PM
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87. You can't win a major election in the USA
without manipulating the illiterate. Obama HAD to appeal to the lowest common denominator with propagandistic images and emotion rather than policy. (He also put forth high-brow policy for those so inclined.) Such is the irrational world in which we live that Obama had to run a partially irrational campaign. It doesn't make him a bad person or a poor PE. Just a good politician. I don't think Hedges was making a judgment call as much as just an observation.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 02:19 PM
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77. I love to read and have a house full of books
as well as a well-used library card. My husband on the other hand rarely cracks a book unless it's on steam trains, the Civil War or woodworking. He prefers to watch tv. Worse, he gets pissed if he sees me reading for more than 20 minutes and am not available to listen to him discuss his latest plan to build something. My longest time by myself to read is on my subway ride home. Gods, how I look forward to that 35 to 40 minute trip.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 02:22 PM
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78. This literacy/political divide is very prominently displayed on the internet.
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 02:41 PM by Marr
I'm sure you've all noticed how the internet's most devoted right-wing champions seem to write (and read) at a third grade level.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 03:14 PM
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81. Here is a civics literacy test for DU posters to try...
I have only a high school education with some technical training in electronics provided by the USAF during the Vietnam era. I found this test difficult and challenging, but didn't use my google-fu or other methods to cheat. (I might have had an edge because I actually lived through the events covered by some of the questions.)

I was disappointed by my score!

My results:
You answered 49 out of 60 correctly — 81.67 %

However I scored better than the average college senior. Harvard had the best average.

Group.......................Freshman average........Senior average
Harvard (top seniors)...... 63.59%...................69.56%

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2007-09-17-history-test_N.htm


The test:
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx

I regret that I didn't pursue a college education, but life sometimes interferes with your choices.

The original post makes what I consider a valid point. Education in our country is designed to produce wage slaves with little more than enough basic knowledge to serve the corporate masters. A truly literate electorate would endanger the people who are truly in power.

"A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to Farce or Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives."
James Madison (1788)

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right...and a desire to know."
John Adams (1765)

The tyranny of a prince is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."
Montesquieu, (1748)
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 03:14 PM
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82. It worries me that those who do not read themselves, surely do not read to their children either
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 03:47 PM
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84. Despair not! The younger generation reads constantly.
They call it "text messaging." They can't spell worth a darn, but they read volumes every day.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:24 PM
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88. literacy starts in the home. so does illiteracy.
A child whose family reads will likely read, and read well. A child whose family doesn't read *might* be dragged to something like an appropriate level of literacy if he is gifted with twelve years of dedicated and knowledgeable teachers who have little else to do than teach him and only him, but he'll still hate reading and won't continue outside the classroom. More likely, he'll graduate, or drop out, several years behind grade level and become, at best, another semi-literate adult.

Read to your kids.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 11:28 AM
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98. "Read to your kids." Amen.
*And* let them see you reading for pleasure.
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