Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Delay is not in Jail because Texas Republican Judges ruled- CHECKS AREN'T MONEY

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:20 PM
Original message
Delay is not in Jail because Texas Republican Judges ruled- CHECKS AREN'T MONEY
Court Writes Delay a Blank Check
By Andrew Wheat / September 19, 2008

Two years after scandal drove Tom DeLay from Congress and six years after DeLay allegedly violated state law to make over Texas’ congressional map, a state appeals court recently hammered out a stunning legal opinion that did all it could—and more than it should—to rescue DeLay and two fellow indicted cronies. Freeing jurisprudence from the shackles of prudence, the ruling is a tour de brute force that is every bit worthy of the man for whom it was written.

Acting on a pretrial appeal by two cronies who helped DeLay run the Texans for a Republican Majority PAC in 2002, three Republican state judges on the Austin-based Third Court of Appeals twisted their August 22 ruling into a would-be DeLay rescue rope. Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle had indicted John Colyandro of Austin and Jim Ellis of Washington, D.C., in 2004 and 2005 on charges that they raised illegal corporate contributions for TRMPAC and illegally laundered $190,000 of the funds though a Republican political committee in Washington. (DeLay faces similar laundering charges.) The appeal that Colyandro and Ellis filed three long years ago argued that the state laws they allegedly broke are unconstitutionally vague.

Rejecting the defendants’ arguments, most of the court’s 22-page opinion belabors the well-established constitutionality of laws that prohibit corporate campaign contributions in Texas. What’s notable is that it took the judges so long—in words and years—to tackle a no-brainer.

Next, the judges address claims that the money-laundering law that Earle invoked is unconstitutionally vague. The GOP judges do their best to spin gold from straw. DeLay, Colyandro, and Ellis all face money-laundering charges for transactions that occurred shortly before the November 2002 election. That’s when TRMPAC sent a $190,000 check to an arm of the Republican National Committee. Two weeks later, the committee sent a total of $190,000 in campaign contributions to seven TRMPAC-backed legislative candidates in Texas. Earle argues that TRMPAC used this financial round-trip to funnel corporate contributions illegally to Texas legislative candidates.

The Austin judges crafted a semantic escape hatch, arguing that the money-laundering law applied to money—but not to TRMPAC’s checks. The law says a person commits a crime when he or she “conducts, supervises, or facilitates a transaction involving the proceeds of criminal activity.” The law defined these “proceeds” as “funds” such as domestic and foreign currency. Since the law did not specifically say that checks are “funds,” the GOP judges wrote that the money-laundering statute does not apply to TRMPAC’s $190,000 check—or the seven smaller checks that it begat.

To support this claim, the judges cite differences between checks and cash—differences that vanish the instant a check is cashed, of course. The opinion notes that checks might not be converted to cash if the signature is forged,>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SNIP

http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/texas-court-decision-worthy-of-tom.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:23 PM
Response to Original message
1. Well, the Texas people can put up with it or fix it.
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:24 PM by aquart
All that tough talk about their guns and their whatever but DeLay and his paid for judges walk right over them. Little wussies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:23 PM
Response to Original message
2. This is why the Supreme Court appointments are so important
Or else we could get complete ignorant judges like this guy in there, ruling that electronic fraud isn't stealing because its done in cyberspace
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. No, it's why ALL judgeship appointments are important.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. All Judges in Texas are elected and all districts
have been gerrymandered so badly because of Delay over the years that
Democrats have a hard time.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9904E5D8163FF937A35750C0A9659C8B63
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. Thanks for mentioning that. I don't think many realize how the deck is stacked against us Dems here
Yes, we still have lots of stupid people voting, but damn is it an uphill climb pushing a big rock after REDISTRICTING.

The good news is that we are making gains in spite of it. It's hard and slow work.

Does anyone remember Ann Richard's description of some of those gerrymandered districts?

Something like "You could drive a car with both doors open thru those districts and hit both sides of it" - she, as usual, nailed it like only Ann could.

So, we are electorally screwed for awhile, but we haven't quit working.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Lloyd Dogget's district is an example of what happened with gerrymandering
And how the republicans tried to take him out.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Ahhh, yes - a picture is worth a thousand words! Thanks for that graphic.
Exactly what Ann Richards was describing.

Folks, this crap is what we Dems in TX are dealing with.

In spite of that flabbergasting picture, the man held his seat, thank God.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #15
28. The real point of that district
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 06:10 PM by NoPasaran
Was to pit Doggett (from Austin) against a Hispanic Democrat from the Valley. The repubs realized that they could not completely eliminate all the Texas Democrats, but DeLay's strategy was to ensure that any Democratic officeholders would be Hispanic or African-American. As it happened, Doggett won his primary in 2004 and kept his seat. Shortly before the 2006 election, the Supreme Court threw out some of the redistricting and Doggett now has a more compact district that includes more of Austin's Travis County than the "fajita strip" that was dealt in 2003.

And as others have mentioned on this thread, the repub judge who wrote the opinion that the money laundering rule applied only to cash, not checks, was defeated last week by Democrat Woodie Jones.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
4. Well, that does it.
From now on I'm paying for my hookers and blow with checks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
20. damn, you beat me to it!!
Hookers should start taking checks, then when they get busted, they have a judge's ruling to cite!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
6. Checks aren't money? Ohh-kayyy....
I'm canceling my direct deposit and having my paychecks come as actual checks. Since those aren't money, I don't actually have to pay any taxes on them, now do I? :dunce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. This ruling went under the radar because the election
I had to ask my brother what was going on since he lives in
Austin and use to be a prosecutor/Judge there.

It sort of blew me away when he told me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:36 PM
Response to Original message
8. LOL
Texas might be smaller than Alaska but they can fix things the same way What a crock now we will be told that we aren't really paying our bills when we pay by check... Maybe I can get the bank to go along and not take CASH out of my accounts when they get checks that IO wrote since check aren't cash..
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:36 PM
Response to Original message
9. But this isn't judicial activism, right?
So much for the rule of law....I hope I never hear another Republican tell me that they care about corruption.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
10. The GOP controls appellate courts in Texas.
Hopefully, that will change over the next 4 years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #10
22. One of the judges who made this ruling has already been defeated
Woody Jones is now the chief justice of the Austin Court of Appeals and will replace one of the idiots who made this ruling. The ruling itself was dicta and therefore not binding on the courts. With one of the two republicans justices who made this ruling off the bench, this issue will not grounds for reversal when Delay is tried and convicted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Woodie Jones is great. I dealt with him on occasion in the 1980s.
I haven't seen or talked to him in close to 20 years. Haven't had a reason.

I always hear good things about him from those I know in Austin, however.

Damn, he's a happy guy. One of those people who is always smiling. I dealt with him in a multi party case with 7-8 law firms representing even more clients. We were antagonistic, but he was always nice, always professional.

He's a classmate from law school.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
11. This deserves 'greatest page' exposure.
DeLay is such a scumbag. He was on Hardball last week and I wondered why Matthews didn't ask him about his case...probably didn't want to annoy his buddy Tom.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:41 PM
Response to Original message
12. Instead of insultiing people with activist decisions
why don't they just come out and say it: Laws Don't Apply To Republicans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:47 PM
Response to Original message
14. I hope Ronnie Earl appeals this to the US Supreme Court
AFTER Obama gets a chance to replace a few justices

(I know the balance of power on the court will be the same unless one of the RW judges dies or retires
or if they expand the court as has been done before.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Earl is retiring but the new DA in Austin is a Democrat
which is also an elected post in Texas.

I don't know the new DA's feeling on the case is
maybe someone from Austin can fill me in.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #14
27. What are you talking about?
The court has not been expanded since 1869.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:08 PM
Response to Original message
18. Money-laundering laws designed for the Mob don't quite apply to politics
There's really two different kinds of money-laundering. There's the kind where, say, the Mafia funnels its illicit drug proceeds through a restaurant or casino, or where big-time corporate fraudsters send their ill-gotten gains to offshore banks when then return them to the US with their history erased.

And then there's the kind where somebody like Grover Norquist runs corporate contributions through a non-profit to apply them in a state where they would otherwise be illegal, or bundles small donations so they can be injected into a race without the donors' names being made public.

That second kind is illegal under campaign finance disclosure laws -- but it's also very difficult to prove, because non-profits don't have to reveal their donors (unless it can be proven that they're really operating as PACs.) And when you try to apply the criminal money-laundering laws, as in the DeLay case, they don't altogether fit the situation.

From the quote in the OP, it sounds like the TRMPAC donation had to be defined for purposes of the case as "the proceeds of criminal activity," which is kind of screwy to begin with. Not that it shouldn't be a crime -- it just isn't exactly the kind of crime the law was designed to deal with.

That "arm of the Republican National Committee," by the way, is the Republican National State Elections Committee, a group designed for no apparent purpose other than laundering campaign donations without having to reveal their sources. For example, Bob Riley got $2,475,000 from RNSEC in 2002 when he defeated Don Siegelman in the Alabama governor's race, and a $600,000 donation that Riley got from the Republican Governors Association right before the election appears to have come originally from Jack Abramoff's crony Michael Scanlon and been laundered through RNSEC.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:04 PM
Response to Original message
19. Can Ronnie Earle Appeal to the Texas Supreme Court?
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. No because ruling was Dicta
A court can only rule on issues raised in the trial court. The issue of checks not being covered was not before the Austin Court of Appeals and therefore the ruling on checks not being covered is dicta which means that it is not binding. Now that one of the two republican judges who joined in this ruling is off of the bench, this should not be an issue in either the trial and conviction of Delay.

BTW, Delay has a good democrat as his main trial lawyer. It is always amusing to me that republicans hire democrats to defend them. Rove, Limpballs and now Delay all hired Democrats to be their trial lawyers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. These guys are whats wrong with the Judicial system
they are letting crooks get away
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:25 PM
Response to Original message
21. Ruling was Dicta and one of the judges was defeated
The ruling on checks not being money and covered by the statute was dicta and is not binding. One of the Austin Court of Appeals judges who joined in such ruling was defeated and will not be on the court when this case comes back to the Appeals Court. Delay will still stand trial and this issue will be raised on appeal and dismissed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Delay is trying to delay his trial as long as he can.
He is probably gathering money for his Defense all the while.

I hope someday his phony smile is wiped off of his ugly face.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:45 PM
Response to Original message
26. Gee, I thought the Republicans were against activist judges
Who knew.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 07:22 PM
Response to Original message
29. Ain't it riduculous?
I guess that's why the Texas Observer's motto is "Sharp reporting from the strangest state in the Union."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 09:30 PM
Response to Original message
31. Checks are not cash? B.S.
I hope Earle appeals. That's nonsense.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 11:46 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC