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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:22 PM
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People for the American Way Statement on Prop 8
Memo from Kathryn Kolbert, President, People For the American Way Foundation makes a great point about who we REALLY should be angry with.
The past 72 hours have brought an extraordinary range of emotions — great joy at the election of Barack Obama and defeat of John McCain, and sadness and anger at the passage of anti-gay initiatives in Florida, Arizona, Arkansas, and California. That sadness has turned to outrage at the speed with which some white gay activists began blaming African Americans — sometimes in appallingly racist ways — for the defeat of Proposition 8. This is inexcusable.

As a mother who has raised two children in a 30-year relationship with another woman, I fully understand the depth of hurt and anger at voters’ rejection of our families’ equality. But responding to that hurt by lashing out at African Americans is deeply wrong and offensive — not to mention destructive to the goal of advancing equality.

<snip>

The Right’s Big Investments Pay Big Dividends


The Religious Right has invested in systematic outreach to the most conservative elements of the Black Church, creating and promoting national spokespeople like Bishop Harry Jackson, and spreading the big lie that gays are out to destroy religious freedom and prevent pastors from preaching about homosexuality from the pulpit.

In addition, Religious Right leaders have exploited the discomfort among many African Americans with white gays who seem more ready to embrace the language and symbols of the civil rights movement than to be strong allies in the continuing battle for equal opportunity. At a series of Religious Right events, demagogic African American pastors have accused the gay rights movement of “hijacking” and “raping” the civil rights movement.

The effort to stir anti-gay emotions among African Americans by suggesting that gays are trying to “hijack” the civil rights movement is not new. During a Cincinnati referendum in 1993, anti-gay groups produced a videotape targeted to African American audiences; the tape featured Trent Lott, Ed Meese and other right-wing luminaries warning that protecting the civil rights of lesbians and gay men would come at the expense of civil rights gains made by the African American community. It was an astonishing act of hypocrisy for Lott and Meese to show concern for those civil rights gains, given their career-long hostility to civil rights principles and enforcement, but the strategy worked that year. Eleven years later, however, African American religious leaders and voters helped pass an initiative striking the anti-gay provision from the city charter. (The story of that successful fairness campaign is told in an award-winning mini-documentary — A Blinding Flash of the Obvious — that is part of a Focus on Fairness toolkit produced by People For the American Way Foundation.)

In California this year, national and local white anti-gay religious leaders worked hard to create alliances with African American clergy; Harry Jackson was busy in both California and Florida stirring opposition to marriage equality. None of the Right’s outreach to African Americans on gay rights issues in recent years has been a secret. Neither has polling that showed some deterioration in African American support for full equality. But there hasn’t been the same investment in systematic outreach from the gay rights community.

Support Champions, Don't Undermine Them


In the face of the Right’s efforts to stir anti-gay sentiment among African Americans, many civil rights leaders have been powerful advocates for LGBT equality, among them Julian Bond, John Lewis, and the late Coretta Scott King. These leaders are deeply committed to the value of fairness and the constitutional principle of equality under the law, and they understand that strengthening the hand of far right leaders is not in any way in the interest of the African American community.

Angrily blaming African Americans for the passage of Prop 8 is not going to help open doors for the kind of long-term conversations we need to have about homophobia and discrimination. It will, instead, further isolate and undermine courageous African American leaders who have taken a firm stand for equality. Alice Huffman, president of the state NAACP, has been an outspoken champion on equality and on Prop 8, and right-wing leaders are fomenting attacks on her from within the organization. People like Alice Huffman need our support and strategic thinking, not complaints or condemnation.

Broad-brush denunciation of African Americans by white gay leaders also fosters the incredibly damaging perception that the LGBT and African American communities are two separate, rather than overlapping entities, and undermines the work of African American LGBT leaders.

http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_equality_prop_8_memo


The entire memo is quite good and can go a long way in educating ourselves and friends and families about the real issues surrounding the revocation of LGBT rights.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:37 PM
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1. Thanks for the post.
It's a very well-written piece.

I let my membership in PFAW lapse; I think that I will renew it again.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:40 PM
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2. No problem. I think it's important to get the message out there about who is really at fault
for Prop 8 passing. Sure, we can point fingers at any one group, hell, I'm sure there are gay folks in CA who didn't vote 11/4, we could blame them as well. However, IMO, blaming doesn't get anything done. It doesn't help bolster the gay communities image either. Having worked in non-profit activism, I know the pitfalls of projecting a bad image and it ain't pretty.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:44 PM
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6. We need to forget about blaming one group; HOWEVER ...
I do not feel bad about pointing out to people those who funded this constitutional abomination, and who, apparently, controls their civil rights (e.g. Knights of Columbus, James Dobson, and the Church of Latter Day Saints, etc.).

I think that we have to give moral support to those fighting our legal battle, and we can actually do this by continuing our marches, and letting people know how seriously we take this.

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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:46 PM
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7. Oh, I wholeheartedly agree
I just think blaming AAs or Hispanics aren't the right people to blame. It's the bigger machine behind those ethnic groups that are behind this.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:16 PM
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19. Exactly!
We blame the machine, and those who controlled the machine.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:46 PM
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8. it is more important to not ignore those numbers
taking the focus off a group that obviously needs to be more informed on the subject is self-defeating. The fact is from what numbers we have about 70% of the blacks who voted voted on religious rather then civil rights grounds. What is needed is out-reach to their churches and their communities. No bigotry from anyone should be ignored...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:20 PM
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13. Isn't that number based on one poll? What "numbers" do we really have?
We're going to find out that there's more to it.

For example,in Alameda County, there's a higher % of black voters by three points than in L.A. County and H8 FAILED there big time.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:40 PM
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15. do you have an issue with reading?
I CLEARLY stated "the numbers we have", now if you have OTHER polls to cite please do so. FYI right after an election there generally IS only one time to do an exit poll. Right then.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:03 PM
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18. Do you have an issue with hostility? I was asking for your source
the way people who gather information do, not insulting your mother.

And, yes, I do have another poll from Loyola that was available on election night, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4427599&mesg_id=4427712
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:01 PM
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17. The numbers are based upon questionable data.
I'd hate to hyper focus on something that may not only be divisive, but inaccurate? :shrug:
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:37 PM
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20. then I wish people would stop doing that
in any case, i would love any other numbers to compare them with but since the only way to go seems to be to say "I don't LIKE those numbers so they MUST be false" and i will not just that particular shark. I sure do hope that ignoring that demographic will not lead to another defeat...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:44 PM
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21. Where did anyone say they must be false?
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 04:44 PM by mzmolly
That BS is akin to saying you "like the numbers so they must be true" is it not? What has been said is it's ridiculous to develop a divisive, potentially bigoted narrative around ONE small poll.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:49 PM
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22. I did post another poll above, as you requested.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:41 PM
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3. Kick
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:41 PM by sfexpat2000
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:42 PM
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4. Thanks for posting it.
"Broad-brush denunciation of African Americans by white gay leaders also fosters the incredibly damaging perception that the LGBT and African American communities are two separate, rather than overlapping entities, and undermines the work of African American LGBT leaders."
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:47 PM
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9. Just for emphasis...

"Broad-brush denunciation of African Americans by white gay leaders also fosters the incredibly damaging perception that the LGBT and African American communities are two separate, rather than overlapping entities, and undermines the work of African American LGBT leaders."

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:43 PM
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5. The truth of this situation is bubbling up. Check this out:
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:44 PM by sfexpat2000
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:50 PM
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10. I think Church pressure and the lies that Yes on 8 propogated are the reason for the sudden decline
in the polls for those opposing it. I also believe that people aren't often honest about their bigotry. Even if it is just a pollster, who really wants to admit that they want to discriminate against anyone--minus those hateful ass Klan folk.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:53 PM
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11. Archbishop Neiderauer has deflected the blame from himself.
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:58 PM by sfexpat2000
He's got the Mormons taking the heat for the money and black pastors taking the heat for the enormous 5% of the vote cast by Yes black voters -- if that poll turns out to be right, which we don't know yet.

The Yes on H8 campaign was dirty, top to bottom.

/oops
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:59 PM
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12. Real "Christian of them" wasn't it?
I love how religious folks hide behind theology to somehow make lying okay. Lying isn't as bad as homosexuality, so it's okay. Just say one Hail Mary and you'll be fine.

I'm not a big believer in the work of fiction called the Bible but for those who are, the hypocrisy is outstanding. They rail against the way the Taliban rules but going Old Testament on our asses isn't the same? They're blind to the jihad they declared against the gay community.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:32 PM
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14. But it's important to remember
that saying a group voted in a particular way is not racist, not accusatory, not scapegoating, not anything -- merely the reporting of a demographic reality, no more racist than saying white voters voted one way or people over 65 voted one way or people under 25 voted one way. It's just goddamned demographics.

However, on DU, any mention that African Americans voted heavily in favor of Prop 8 is met with shrieks of "racism" "scapegoating" whatever. It's bullshit.

If you're going to run any effective campaign, you need to know how certain groups vote, so you can direct your message to them. Anything else is just stupid.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:52 PM
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23. Prophetic piece here:
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 04:53 PM by Karenina
Black Voters Not to Blame if Proposition 8 Passes

http://bloggernista.com/2008/09/21/black-voters-not-to-blame-if-proposition-8-passes

September 21, 2008


A troubling New York Times article on Proposition 8, the proposed California anti-marriage constitutional amendment, asserts that some marriage supporters are concerned that strong support for Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential candidacy among Black voters may spell trouble for efforts to defeat the proposal to take away marriage rights for same-sex couples.

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3. The article and thinking among some white activists on both sides of the proposed amendment falls into “Black community as voting monolith” frame that sees Black voters as a kind of electoral Borg in which we all think the same and vote the same. Nothing, of course, could be further from the truth. That thinking does, however, make it possible for some to see outreach to communities of color as an afterthought only to be performed in the closing weeks of a campaign if at all. Then, the lack of success in persuading a majority of voters of color of the important connections between LGBT issues and the larger civil rights movement is talked about as the result of an especially virulent strain of homophobia in communities of color rather than as a failure to aggressively target voters of color with persuasive messages.

The article does go on to cite the critical work of the Barbara Jordan/Bayard Rustin Coalition, an organization of Black LGBT people and allies:
“This is black people talking to black people,” said Ron Buckmire, the board president of the Barbara Jordan/Bayard Rustin Coalition, a gay rights group in Los Angeles. “We’re saying, ‘Gay people are black and black people are gay. And if you are voting conservative on an antigay ballot measure, you are hurting the black community.’ ”

Unfortunately work like this, efforts among LGBT people of color to dialogue with and work within communities of color, are among those given the least amount of resources and investment by LGBT organizations even as it becomes increasingly clear the key role that people of color can play in advancing LGBT civil rights. It is also clear that the work to build the necessary coalitions that strengthen the potential ties between communities of color and LGBT communities is something that needs to occur before we are facing a political crisis and not in the final hours of a campaign.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:53 PM
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25. Yes. Thanks for posting that. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:52 PM
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24. Except you don't know how they voted, do you?
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 04:52 PM by sfexpat2000
You have one poll done by an outfit that has political conflicts of interest and has been unreliable in the past.

And then, there have been the ugly posts of the last 6 days.

Facts are not racist. Speculation that is embraced as fact and run with, that's something else again.

And no one is disputing that more outreach needs to be done in the black community.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:46 PM
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16. Well said!
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 03:47 PM by mzmolly
I'm so glad that reason is beginning to play a role in the dialog on this issue. :kick: and R.
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