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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:37 PM
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Inalienable rights.
Martin Luther, 1523, Concerning Secular Authority:

"Furthermore, every man is responsible for his own faith, and he must see it for himself that he believes rightly. As little as another can go to hell or heaven for me, so little can he believe or disbelieve for me; and as little as he can open or shut heaven or hell for me, so little can he drive me to faith or unbelief. Since, then, belief or unbelief is a matter of every one's conscience, and since this is no lessening of the secular power, the latter should be content and attend to its own affairs and permit men to believe one thing or another, as they are able and willing, and constrain no one by force"

The words of the Father of Protestantism have NO relevance to today's LDS Church?

Marriage is not a civil right. It is a natural right. Any government that impedes a citizen's exercise of their natural rights is tyrannical.

Should we have let the citizens of Alabama vote on a school integration referendum circa 1957? Could we have permitted a democratic majority to negate Brown v. Board of Education if their religious leaders said segregation was "morally and scripturally" correct?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:39 PM
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1. One problem: LDS isn't really a Protestant Religion
Although it descended from Protestanism - it is more in line with Millenialism (Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovas Witnesses)
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:41 PM
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2. And some hardcore Protestants wouldn't even consider Mormonism Christian.
I don't know what Luther himself would think.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:42 PM
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4. Luther himself did not want to start a new religion
He wanted to take over the Vatican in a coup
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 08:59 PM
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11. Not just the hardcore ones, I'm afraid.
Polytheism is pretty much an insurmountable obstacle to being anything even close to orthodox--or even very unorthodox--Christianity, and that's to say nothing of Christ and Satan being brothers, God once having been a man, free love, Kolob, and all the rest.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:44 PM
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5. They quote Martin Luther when it suits their purposes.
Heroes and Heroines:
Martin Luther—
Defender of Justice and Seeker of Truth

"Disguised as a knight, and wearing a sword and a beard, Luther spent several months in the castle studying, writing letters to friends, and translating the New Testament from Latin into German. He completed the translation of the whole Bible thirteen years later, which allowed the common people to read that sacred book for the first time. More than three centuries later, Joseph Smith said of Luther’s Bible: 'I find it to be the most correct that I have found.'"

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=52ae48bf641ab010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:41 PM
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3. Lets not stop there at literally living the bible
Lets bring back slavery, the good book says thats perfectly okay too! YAY Christianity! If anyone objects call them a muslim! great fun
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:56 PM
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7. oh and we can stone little girls to death again!
just like in the old days!
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:07 PM
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8. good times.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:51 PM
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6. As George Carlin said
We don't have Rights, we have privileges, because you can't take away Rights!!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:51 PM
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9. Marriage is a natural right and a constitutional right.
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 04:54 PM by TexasObserver
Pair bonding is the primary method our species has used for millennia. While there are others, such as harems or polygamy, pair bonding remains the primary one.

Depriving anyone of such a right is denying them the right to pursue the most fundamental happiness, and should therefore be unconstitutional.

Ultimately, the US Supreme Court is going to have to do for gays what it had to do for blacks. Free them.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 08:55 PM
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10. I agree. n-t
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