Dean Will Step Aside at DNC

[Triana]

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Howard Dean "will not seek a second term as chairman of the Democratic National Committee, clearing the way for a loyalist of President-elect Barack Obama to be named to the soon to be vacant post," according to the Washington Post.

Marc Ambinder: "The bigger question: what happens to the DNC? Does it become an extension of the White House? Does it retain a measure of independence? How much control does David Axelrod wish to assert over the party?"

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/11/10/dean_will_step_aside_at_dnc.html

[Leopolds Ghost]

1. The implication, per insiders: Dean is not considered a loyalist of Barack Obama, Rahm is

Rahm just got Dean fired. BAM! SNAP! Eat it, you fucking pink tutu insider loyalist concern trolls. Eat it the fuck up!

[IndianaJones]

2. Rahm is considered an Obama loyalist...Dean is not. And its Rahms fault Dean is leaving? nt.

[Leopolds Ghost]

And the long knives come out from the (paid or unpaid) insider loyalists on DU.

Why not come out and say it? Of course, you guys aren't allowed to publically discuss what your fellow Obama campaign insiders are actually saying about the Deaniacs on DU.

[IndianaJones]

7. and your fear of blaming Obama for replacing the guy that isn't a loyalist is evident.

what a coward.

It ain't the bosses fault. Bwaaahahahaha.

[Leopolds Ghost]

15. Did I say I was an Obama fan? I saw this coming.

That's why I left DU after FISA (and before that, after Katrina and what the Louisiana state dems did to blacks trying to leave the city.) Because it's DU policy that if you can't say anything nice during election season, don't say anything at all.

The only good thing about Obama is that he provides some hope and inspiration for the black community and is a great personal role model for a first black president. However, since he obviously believes in the ideals of Booker Washington and not WEB DuBois, that is likely to simply pave the way for a Reaganite coalition of blacks and suburban white yuppies who mutually feel comfortable (like here in DC) not living together or attending the same schools.

Andrew Jackson was an inspirational figure too, you know. And Nixon had some great liberal policy agendas.

[IndianaJones]

18. so what hand do you think Obama has in making the decision that Obama alone can make? nt.

[Leopolds Ghost]

20. Obama brought on Rahm because Obama obviously agrees with Rahm

Who loathes Dean and all of his people and Rahm, who IS IN CHARGE OF DAY TO DAY HIRING AND FIRING, is busy firing them and will fire more of them thru the new DNC head as we speak.

[IndianaJones]

22. so who do you conspiracy theorists think is in charge...Rahm or Obama? nt.

[madfloridian]

4. " Dean is not considered a loyalist of Barack Obama, Rahm is."

Nail on head.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3042

:hi:

[IndianaJones]

8. So, how is it Rahms fault that Obama doesn't want to keep Dean? nt.

[Leopolds Ghost]

13. Rahm is in charge of putting and vetting a portfolio. If Obama had let known he wanted Dean out,

he would never have survived the primaries. Your DLC friends are a bunch of decietful, corrupt power momngers who are in the pockets of the trusts. They bought their way into power on the backs of a scientific marketing campaign.

James Carville answered your bullshit question quite nicely. I'll let someone else provide you with the research.

[IndianaJones]

14. So you conspiracy theorists think Obama doesn't make the final decision? ha. nt.

[Leopolds Ghost]

21. You misunderstood my first post. OBAMA is saying Rahm is a loyalist and Dean is not

By HIRING RAHM (a patently absurd neoliberal Wall Street scumbag) AND FIRING DEAN.

Make no mistake, Dean got fired. Whether he "wanted to go" or not. He knew his
days were numbered the minute Obama sat down with him and his aides after the primaries.

[IndianaJones]

23. so Rahm got Dean fired because Obama hired him? nt.

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. The author of the Washington Post article does hit pieces on Democrats

see post 24

[IndianaJones]

31. I don't understand these guys that blame Rahm for decisions Obama is making. nt.

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. Whatever..... go read Limpbaugh

You seem to like decisiveness

[Leopolds Ghost]

35. I don't understand guys afraid say where they stand on whether you think Dean is a good or bad

influence. Or why Obama would bring on Rahm's wing and shut out the Dean wing.

Everything in politics is deliberate, as Carville explicitly stated here.

[IndianaJones]

37. I trust Obama's decision. I think he is capable of making them without the fear you display. nt.

[Leopolds Ghost]

28. Read the title of my post. DEAN IS NOT CONSIDERED A LOYALIST, RAHM IS

"RAHM IS" considered a loyalist. BY OBAMA.

Subject, object, etc.

Obama is arranging Dean and HIS WHOLE CROWD OUT, which you are too cowardly to admit you look forward to, and hiring Rahm is merely a step in that direction, as is firing Dean.

The DLC crowd only pursues a 50 state strategy among the neoliberal suburban white professional class which Mark Penn says Obama has made the new party base ("and thank god for that", many Democratic mouthpieces are saying, "we no longer have to worry about blacks and liberal interest groups, Obama can stand up to them.") They REJECT Dean's formulation of the 50 state strategy of building a populist base. They REJECT a populist base. They want Kerry states + Growth states where they can run DLC candidates on the strength of white wealthy college transplants.

Tonight on Hardball, the DEMOCRATIC spokesperson was saying Obama cannot enact Health Care or "left-wing agenda",
the REPUBLICAN was agreeing with Chris Matthews that Obama should go big if he's so god-damn admiring of Reagan.

[IndianaJones]

30. so why the fear in just stating that Obama wants to get rid of Dean? why the fearmongering...

with the scary Rahm?

[Leopolds Ghost]

32. The DLC is scary. Reaganism is scary. Wall Street centrism is scary.

And I'm not even on the far left.

Sorry you feel different.

[IndianaJones]

34. so Obama makes the decision and you are scared to blame him? nt.

[Leopolds Ghost]

38. I already made clear I was blaming Obama. I flat out left DU for awhile after FISA

It's hard for me to reconcile because I have close friends and co-workers who are black (and white)
who are rooting for Obama (and many of them are more in the authoritarian progressive, Wilsonian school
of liberalism and instinctively reject the populism of Dean liberals anyway.) I'm happy to see Obama
in the white house as the first African-American, not so happy about the faction of politics he actually
represents (the neoliberal technocrats).

Actually it's not that hard at all because I'm more left-libertarian anyway so it's all equanimical to me,
but few of my friends who are big Obama supporters are what I'd call remotely populist. So the only
hardship is in keeping my thoughts to myself while admiring the larger movement and hoping something
comes of it that is larger and better than the policies of Obama himself (like the Kennedy movement.)
They are only progressive on issues that affect them, though, so fat chance of that happening. It's what
Scarborough called South Park liberalism. None of these guys are going to do anything
Wall Street tells them not to do. Now your turn. Are you happy Dean is gone?

[IndianaJones]

39. Dean did a good job. I trust Obama's judgment on this decision. He has rarely been wrong. nt.

[Leopolds Ghost]

40. especially when centrism means defunding health welfare & public housing because "cant afford them"

Or worse, "can't justify such leftist and irresponsible largesse" as some Dems on TV are noting, While giving billions of dollars directly to their former business partners (Democratic and Republican, doesn't matter, these cultural issues are just to distract us) in the private sector.

[madfloridian]

5. Dupe

[Pastiche423]

9. You are right on the money!

Fuck rahm!

[IndianaJones]

11. but not his boss that makes the decision to replace Dean? lmao. nt.

[cali]

12. baloney. Howard did not want to stay on. I've heard him numerous

times on Vermont radio call in shows saying that. Here's why: He has no interest in staying on at the DNC once it's an arm of the WH- and that's what happens anytime there's a dem administration.

You're being absurdly reactionary.

[IndianaJones]

16. the funniest part is that they don't even have the guts to blame Obama. nt.

[cali]

19. the whole outrage hyperbole over this is just ridiculous

Howard Dean would not be happy in a DNC controlled completely by the WH, and there's nothing outrageous about this.
And of course, you're right, they're making this all about Rahm, when it was ultimately Obama's decision.

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. The author of the Washington Post article does hit pieces on Democrats

see post 24

[Oregone]

29. Isn't it standard policy to ALWAYS replace the DNC head after the campaign?

Always? I thought it was. Why does this action imply anything? I read Dean was preparing to step aside before the primary was over.

[Leopolds Ghost]

3. Hopefully this thread will not sink.

:grr:

[shaniqua6392]

6. They will find someone great to replace him.

He did not want to stay past this election anyway. I think President Obama will find something for him to do!!

[Leopolds Ghost]

10. But the Post said he would be replaced with someone more loyal?

Why not appoint a civil rights leader to take his place? Oops, they hated Dean for being too far to the left (never mind that he was a classical liberal New England centrist) so that would never do. He's supposed to repudiate the civil rights movement (AND the left) according to John Harwood and David Gregory. He's supposed to repudiate Jesse Jackson's coalition of "blacks and liberals" according to Harold Ford and Gregory and the talking heads and come out and stand up to the base and show them for what they are -- socially pathological. Unless they have money of course, and are white, and live in a major city. Then they are not socially pathological. Is killing Dean's revolution Obama's Sister Souljah moment?

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. The author of the Washington Post article does hit pieces on Democrats

Yet everyone here swallowed his shit like it was from God


see post 24

[Pastiche423]

36. Would you be so kind

as to supplying a link of Dean's quote?

[shaniqua6392]

41. There are plenty of stories that Dean never intended to stay after his term.

Here are a few: http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/82772/
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/10/dean_to_step_down_as_dnc_chair.html
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/general/view/2008_11_10_Howard_Dean_won_t_seek_2nd_term_as_Dem_chairman

[Pastiche423]

43. Nary a Dean quote in the bunch

But I did find this:

Dean, at times, clashed publicly with Democratic elected officials over his stewardship of the DNC -- particularly newly installed White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. Of one particularly contentious meeting in the spring of 2006, Tom Edsall wrote:

"Rep. Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), who is leading the party's effort to regain majority status in the House, stormed out of Dean's office several days ago leaving a trail of expletives, according to Democrats familiar with the session."

I will say it again, rahm is a piss poor appointment, especially since it's the 1st one. It shows the direction Obama is heading and it ain't good for We. the People.

[bigwillq]

17. Thank you for your efforts, Howard Dean!

:bounce:

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. Chris Cillizza who wrote this does anti-Obama and Democratic hit pieces

In questioning Obama's "policy credentials," Wash. Post's Cillizza cited AP article without noting its false claim

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703300004

Wash. Post's Cillizza asserted that Swift Boaters "raise questions about" Kerry's military credentials, did not note accusations were false and baseless smears
Sunday, July 13, 2008

Washingtonpost.com's Cillizza mischaracterized Kerry's statement about McCain's Swift Boat connection
Thursday, July 10, 2008

Washingtonpost.com's Cillizza repeatedly and falsely referred to Lieberman as a Democrat
Monday, April 7, 2008

On MSNBC, Corke and Cillizza falsely claimed NV paper quoted Obama admitting he lacks "experience" to "run a bureaucracy" and "be a CEO"
Tuesday, January 15, 2008

MoveOn.org and the media mess
Tuesday, September 18, 2007

On Hardball, Cillizza falsely claimed "most" Dem candidates said "our kids don't go to" public schools
Friday, August 10, 2007

On Hardball, Cillizza asserted Democrats "need to prove" they can keep Americans "as safe as Republicans can"
Friday, August 3, 2007


TONS MORE HERE:
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/chris_cillizza


THIS IS A HIT PIECE

[FLAprogressive]

42. Crap! I hope this doesn't mean Harold Ford Jr.