Seen at gun show

[SHRED]

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Along with Obama as Hitler posters, these are handed out and posted at gun shows.

And they wonder why they are called "gun nuts"?

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[Vickers]

1. This gun nut voted for Obama.

:thumbsup:

[Mojorabbit]

28. This one voted for him too. nt

[SlowDownFast]

44. Me three. n/t

[spin]

47. Number four here, also an NRA member for 30 years (n/t)

[Phred42]

2. So did this gun nut

[Dogtown]

29. Gun owner. Obama supporter/voter

There's no provenance to their claims.

President-elect Obama's one mention of firearms was a supports of gun-owners' rights.

:shrug:

[jmg257]

30. As did this gun...enthusiast! Don't let me down President Obama!

[krispos42]

38. As did this one

If the Dems are smart they'll leave this alone.

Legalizing drugs would save far more lives and destroy the gangs far more effectively than trying to control hardware. If we're going to go down for something in 2010 or 2012, I'd rather it be for legalizing pot and other drugs than waging jihad against rifles with pistol grips.

[slackmaster]

3. The important questions to me are...

Was the place packed?

Did you observe a "run" on firearms and ammunition?

Did you buy anything for yourself, or as a holiday gift for someone else?

BTW I both donated to and voted for Barack. I am a hard-core RKBA advocate and a federally licensed gun collector with a substantial investment in collectable firearms.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. #10 is hopefully true.

Although those views have nothing in common with the other nine.

[Ian David]

9. Number 7 is the only one other than #10 that MIGHT be true. n/t

[Boo Boo]

15. Actually, Biden mentioned #2 during the campaign.

That would be a big mistake.

[Ian David]

17. I doubt #2 is even possible to do, even if they wanted to. n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

32. I'm wondering what does #7 have with gun rights. -nt

[Ian David]

35. It's a subtly racist thing against black people. n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. 11) Expose the paraniod frauds like the one that printed this poster.

[Jim__]

6. And their claim that this is his 10 Point Plan is based on?

I know, Why bother with little things like facts?

[slackmaster]

7. They are based mostly on votes and things he said in the Illinois Senate

But they are really taken out of context.

I believe he will apply a broader view to running the country, as compared to representing one largely urban area that has a particularely bad problem with violent crime.

[Jim__]

12. And in the Illinois senate, he said this is his 10 Point Plan?

Or that is just baseless extrapolation?

[slackmaster]

13. No, of course not

It's a melange of things he voted on and said in various contexts over a period of years.

[yardwork]

37. You know, I really doubt that. I'm sorry to question you, but I just don't believe

that Barack Obama has ever suggested most, if any, of these ten points. They are so extreme I can't imagine any situation in which Obama, a centrist moderate, would have said anything that, even out of context, could be supportive of this.

I think it's a complete made-up fantasy and scare tactic.

[slackmaster]

41. krispos42 answered it better than I could have - see reply #33

As with many rumors there are kernels of truth.

[jmg257]

43. Some stem from a political survey that "he" filled out in '96, about banning handguns, etc.

Could have been a staffer though who filled it out for him.

...
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM43_080328_obama_iviquestionaire_091096.html

[yardwork]

46. Ok, I stand corrected. It sounds like Obama's positions were like those of many urban legislators.

[Ian David]

8. Did they wash their hands after they pulled these "facts" out of their ass? n/t

[bunkerbuster1]

10. SS, DD

Same stuff these same gullible consumers were being fed when Clinton was elected.

Move along, nothing new to see here.

[woodsprite]

11. Well, that explains where my BIL came up with this crap.

As well as the loons in the next cubby at work. :eyes:

[Enthusiast]

14. When none of these measures are taken

we should hold the NRA responsible for spreading lies. They need to be called out on this bullshit. My family has always hunted and we know these are lies.

[Lex]

16. I like the way they cite their sources for these "facts"

Oh, wait ...

[OneBlueSky]

18. this is what happens when you just make shit up . . .

I haven't heard Obama say word one about any of these so-called predictions . . . I guess that using fear as a political motivator is alive and well among the wingnuts . . .

[Lex]

21. just like with Clinton, they said he'd get all

their guns too

so stupid

[Ian David]

19. 11) Obama will outfit all deer, elk, moose and bears with Kevlar vests.

12) Obama will declare pheasants, turkeys, ducks, geese, squirrels quail and possums to be protected species.

13) Obama will ban the use of gun racks in pickup trucks, requiring that guns all be transported by attaching them to a large Helium balloon, floating at least 50 feet above the ground, and tied to a trailer hitch.

[LeftinOH]

20. Save this phony-ass "list" for the 2012 re-election campaign; call them on their bullshit..n/t

[n2doc]

22. No No No, they missed the biggest change

Obama's gonna take all of your guns away and give them to the Blacks. Then He's gonna make everyone Muslin!

:sarcasm:

[spanone]

23. ignorance is sad...these are some sad mo-fo's

[Ganja Ninja]

24. Gee ya think maybe gun dealers might be spreading this BS to drive up

$ALE$?

[aikoaiko]

25. Classic NRA distortions of the truth -- but there are kernals of truth to each claim

And Factcheck response to the NRA's claims are only slightly less dishonest.

Its so difficult to have an honest discussion of the right to keep and bear arms.

[jmg257]

26. #8 is the one to watch - a renewed AWB is part of the platform he ran on.

This is the one I personally would have been concerned about, except I am in NY so it doesn't really matter.

I still hope he doesn't get the chance to sign it into law - stupid bill that does nothing except piss off gun owners and infringe on inalienable rights.

[Omaha Steve]

27. Somebody stuck 1 of those on my locker at work about a month ago

So I posted this on the union board.

[frylock]

31. this probably dates back to the clinton era..

remember when bill clinton took all our guns?

[jmg257]

34. Not all of them - though he did bring about an "emotional" media storm half-truths and BS.

All so he could approve the 1st AWB.

Not good.

[krispos42]

33. They're extrapolating his views when he was a local legislator...

in Illinios to the national level, as well as some of the useless state laws that Illinois already has in force.

1. This is from extreme safe-storage laws that mandate that all firearms must be rendered mechanically useless and unloaded when not in actual use. These laws effectively render guns useless for self-defense because you cannot deploy them rapidly during an intrusion or other dangerous event.
   
   
2. Big cities as a rule hate lawful concealed-carry. The residents there, seeing the death from violent criminals. gangs, and drug-turf battles, have often adopted a zero-tolerence policy on carrying guns in public, including preventing law-abiding people from getting a CCW permit. Illinois is one of only two states that does not have any provision at all for Average Joe to get a permit.
   
   
3. This is something that some politicians, including I believe Dennis Kucinich, want to do. It's related IMO to #2. After all, if you can't carry concealed you don't need a handgun and if you can't own a handgun there's no reason to issue CCW permits.
   
   
4. I suppose this could be done by restricting the number of federal licences the ATF hands out, but I doubt it.
   
   
5. This one relates to the "we have to ban ammo that can pierce police body armor" talking-point. Unfortunately, virtually all rifle ammuntion is powerful enough to shred a typical beat-officer vest, even the soft-nosed, expanding hunting bullets. Only the really heavy stuff that the bomb squad and combat troops wear can stop rifle bullets. Duty vests on patrol officers are only heavy enough to stop pistol ammunition.
   
   
6. Dunno where this one is coming from. But the anti-gun movement has tried to tax gun ownership to death before, such as a 10-cent-per round "sin tax". Which is ridiculous, considering that the most common cartridge in America costs 3 cents per round.
   
   
7. Not sure about this one, although I'll note that many countries do not take away voting rights even for convicted felons.
   
   
8. This one is true. It's the misnamed "Assault weapons ban", the renewal of which is in the Democratic Party platform and that Democrats tried to both renew and expand in the previous session of Congress. See HR1022 for details.
   
   
9. This is something that Illinois does, an Firearms Owner ID card, and you have to have it on you whenever carrying a firearms. You also need it to purchase guns. I'm not sure if you need it to purchase ammunition.
   
   
10. Well, just like Bush did, Obama's going to appoint judges that he likes the records of, which means liberal-leaning justices. Unfortunately gun-control is part of the liberal political philosophy.

[yardwork]

36. Do these people EVER get tired of being lied to?

These lies are so consistent, year in and year out, and yet they are always proven false. Despite that proof of being lied to, the same people fall for the same lies, year after year after year.

What gives?

[dhpgetsit]

39. Someone has been sitting in Mom's basement

Playing the same Aldo Nova for too long...

"Life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life"

Fear and fantasy are the freepers' only friends.

[CabalPowered]

40. I've had #6 repeated to me several times in the last wekk

It must be up in gun stores too.

[Sebastian Doyle]

42. Don't those "Jack booted thugs" roll this same list of talking points out with every Dem President?

Credit for "jack booted thugs" to describe the NRA should go to Poppy Bush. One of the only two times I ever agreed with him. The other was his opinion of broccoli.

[TroglodyteScholar]

45. Directly from the Department of Just Makin' Shit Up

Fuggin shameless.

[pinniped]

48. As for #7, some gun-nuts want to restore gun rights...

to felons.

I guess this is not on the list because there is strength in numbers.

[sendero]

49. As a gun nut..

... who is not afraid of Obama, I am amused at how easy it is for the gun dealers to whip up a huge amount of windfall business based on outright lies like this bullshit.