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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 03:55 PM
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11-11
On Veterans Day, we remember those who have made it possible for ours to be a free nation.
The day's origin was to commemorate Armistice Day, November 11, 1918.
That was the day that marked the end of hostilities in World War I -- the "war to end all wars."
If enough people give a damn, we may yet see that reality.



What war did to one veteran:

... a soldier (who had just returned from the Western Front) was so disordered while he was going down the stairs into the London tube station, he became suddenly aware of the crowds of people coming up, he looked haggardly about, and evidently mistaking the hollow space below for the trenches and the ascending crowd for Germans, fixed his bayonet and charged. But for the women constable on duty at the turn of the staircase, who was quick enough to divine his trouble and hang on to him with all her strength to prevent his forward advance, he would have wounded many and caused danger and panic... (British pioneer policewoman Mary Allen in her autobiography)

SOURCE: http://www.greatwar.nl/
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:02 PM
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1. Absolutely
It's very important to remember this facet of Veterans' Day.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:43 PM
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5. Warmongers are war's reason.


What an expert had to say on the subject:

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

-- Hermann Göring, speaking at his trial where he faced charges for war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:12 PM
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2. Oh the reality has been seen all right. Since we can kill from a distance
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 04:13 PM by snappyturtle
war is more palatable. I really believe that if war took place in the trenches as it did in WWI, we wouldn't have war. However, with the advent of atomic bombs and the advancement of missiles and war planes, war is too easy. imho
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:16 PM
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3. Howmany
of those 58,000 men killed in Vietnam, or 4,200 killed in Iraq and Afganistan were killed with nuclear weapons or ICBMs or war planes. Those men were killed close up and personal. Just like in WWI.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:31 PM
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4. How about the million Vietnamese or hundreds of thoudands of iraqis?
You think they were all close up and personal. Do you think McCain fought close up and personal?
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:46 PM
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6. Five years as a POW is pretty personal.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:42 PM
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18. Not much fighting though, mostly just doing their bidding.
No I would not call that up close and personal fighting....Neither would I call his dropping bombs from thirty thousand feet up close and personal..
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:26 PM
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21. Doing the bidding of Lyndon Baines Johnson.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:28 PM
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22. How about the Americans that died
Most died close up and personal.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:58 PM
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9. True. However, how many more would have been killed if we'd
hadn't had air support? WWI planes did not kill as many as our planes have in later wars. When the death toll became unacceptable to the American people, the war (Vietnam) had to be brought to a close.

Would the U.S. ever have considered using men on the ground in hand to hand combat in Hiroshima?

(In my first reply I wasn't just considering American deaths.)
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:48 PM
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7. You do realize
that wars have been fought throughout history not just since the advent of missiles and planes, don't you?
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 05:04 PM
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10. You're missing my point. Yes, of course, I realize that wars have been
fought........geez! MY POINT is that I think we have begun to learn that too much death on our side is not acceptable. Now if we can only realize that killing others solves nothing and causes hatred, I will be happy as well as very surprised. Probably won't happen in my lifetime unless we quit funding the military to the extent we have been. imho
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 05:30 PM
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14. If we quit funding the military
how do we defend our nation? Your assertion that killing others doesn't solve anything isn't true. In fact killing people stopped the Holocaust and stopped Hitler's march across Europe. I don't think he would have stopped if we asked nicely, even if we said please.:)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 05:52 PM
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15. Guess who financed Hitler?
Prescott Bush and his cronies, which include famous Republican Allen Dulles and famous Democrat Averell Harriman.



How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president


Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
guardian.co.uk, Saturday September 25 2004 23.59 BST

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.

While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar



While at first, they thought they were making a smart investment in Germany, they continued to trade with the enemy even after Germany declared war on the United States.

I don't know about them, but, to me, a life can not be measured in dollars.

PS: A hearty welcome to DU, boozepusher. Thank you for giving a damn.
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:04 PM
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17. Thanks for the welcome
I agree, life cannot be measured in dollars. Unfortunately not everyone thinks that way.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:43 PM
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19. Do you read and comprehend? I said, fund the military to the EXTENT
that we have been. I did not say stop all funding to the military. Killing proves nothing other than that we're as capable as other killers in the world to squelch life. We must avoid war at all cost....and certainly get rid of the Bush Doctrine. Do you know what that is? If not, ask Sarah Palin. Why do I smell pizza when I read your replies?
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:40 PM
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24. I'm not sure why you smell pizza
isn't that a sign of a stroke? Oh wait that's burning toast. I agree we should avoid war at all costs. I just don't agree that technology has made war more palatable. War has always been easy for the leaders who send others to fight. It's our responsibility to elect leaders that think the same as us.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 05:08 PM
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12. some people here think since we have planes and missiles that war is now impersonal...
however, if any of them read up on Greek fire, they would change their tunes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire

all wars suck, all wars are up close and personal, all wars have death from afar.

war is war is war is war is war is war is war is war is war is war is war is war, etc...
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:06 PM
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25. I'll look at the link. Thank you. I said what I said because I've heard
pilots interviewed and they've said they are almost remote from the effects. They don't see the actual killing. I wouldn't have any idea because I've never been in a war but their description sounded plausible to me.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:53 PM
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8. That is why the Pentagon (read: Bushco) censored the media since 9-11.
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 05:41 PM by Octafish
The right wing never tires of making out that the reason we lost Vietnam was because the media turned the American people against the war, using images and footage from the war to turn off the patriotic feelings of those on the home front. To avoid any such problem in Iraq War I and Iraq War II, they embedded the hell out of Corporate McPravda.



Embedded Media Give Up Independence

by Robert Jensen
Dissident Voice
April 8, 2003

Just as the Pentagon developed increasingly sophisticated munitions for the battlefield abroad, it has perfected propaganda to secure public opinion at home. In that battle, American citizens need critical, independent journalists if they are to get the information necessary to participate meaningfully in the formation of policy. Never has that been more crucial, as the United States unleashes an attack on Iraq that signals a new era of the use of force. Unfortunately, in the first few days of the conflict and the months leading to war, American journalism has largely failed on several counts.

Citizens in a democracy should be able to expect from journalists:
    * a trustworthy source of facts gathered independently of powerful institutions.
    * the historical, political, and social context to help make sense of facts.
    * the widest range of opinion to allow people to test their own conclusions against alternatives.
Factual information from journalists in the first days of the war has come overwhelmingly from government briefings and reporters ''embedded'' in military units. Such briefings are never a source of trustworthy news; reporters have few ways to verify what the military officers and government officials tell them, and history suggests we should expect officials to omit crucial information and fudge on facts. During the Vietnam War, Pentagon spokesmen kept insisting in news briefings that they could ''see the light at the end of the tunnel.''

Embedded journalists will be allowed to report most of what they see, so long as the war is going well for US forces. But as part of the deal, reporters accept censorship as the military deems necessary and they must travel with their units; an attempt to secure independent transportation will get them shipped home. If Operation Iraqi Freedom runs into trouble, will the Pentagon make it easy for reporters to cover the ugly side of the war?

CONTINUED...

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jensen_Embedded-Media.htm





These warmongering traitors who lied America into an illegal, immoral and unnecessary war may know shame.
They have done all in their power to keep America from seeing the flag-covered caskets of her sons and daughters.
May the traitors who sent them to their graves see Justice.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 05:07 PM
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11. The fact that we do not see the caskets and get real reports on the
battle fronts is PROOF that what I am saying is true. THEY know we will not tolerate 'too many' deaths. I can't tolerate any.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 05:10 PM
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13. Great site. Bookmarked.
Lots of pictures. Better taken in small doses.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 05:58 PM
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16. The combat veterans who I have been priviledged to know hate war.
They don't like to talk about it.
They don't like to think about it.
They don't want to see it again.
And they don't want others to experience it.

They also are unanimous in stating war should only be necessary for the defense of the nation.

Wish the nation's leaders had listened seven years ago.



No, they can only repeat the mistakes made 90 years ago.
In my opinion, they did so intentionally.
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:51 PM
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20. Interesting story about found Hiroshima pictures...
http://www.designobserver.com/archives/entry.html?id=38841

One rainy night eight years ago, in Watertown, Massachusetts, a man was taking his dog for a walk. On the curb, in front of a neighbor’s house, he spotted a pile of trash: old mattresses, cardboard boxes, a few broken lamps. Amidst the garbage he caught sight of a battered suitcase. He bent down, turned the case on its side and popped the clasps.

He was surprised to discover that the suitcase was full of black-and-white photographs. He was even more astonished by their subject matter: devastated buildings, twisted girders, broken bridges — snapshots from an annihilated city. He quickly closed the case and made his way back home.

At the kitchen table, he looked through the photographs again and confirmed what he had suspected. He was looking at something he had never seen before: the effects of the first use of the Atomic bomb. The man was looking at Hiroshima.

In a dispassionate and scientific style, the seven hundred and one photographs inside the suitcase catalogued a city seared by a new form of warfare. The origin and purpose of the photographs were a mystery to the man who found them that night. Now, over sixty years after the bombing of Hiroshima, their story can be told.

...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:01 PM
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23. Voice and Silence in the First Nuclear War: Wilfred Burchett and Hiroshima
From your source:

But this suppression of visual evidence served a third purpose: it helped, both in Japan and back home in America, to inhibit any questioning of the decision to use the bomb in the first place.

Oh. It makes me want to scream.

Thank you very much for the link and that fascinating story, Holly_Hobby. I will not forget it and the almost incomprehensible terror the trunk has documented.

For those who would like to learn more about the subject:



Voice and Silence in the First Nuclear War:

Wilfred Burchett and Hiroshima


by Richard Tanter
August 13, 2005

“Hiroshima had a profound effect upon me. Still does. My first reaction was personal relief that the bomb had ended the war. Frankly, I never thought I would live to see that end, the casualty rate among war correspondents in that area being what it was. My anger with the US was not at first, that they had used that weapon -- although that anger came later. Once I got to Hiroshima, my feeling was that for the first time a weapon of mass destruction of civilians had been used. Was it justified? Could anything justify the extermination of civilians on such a scale? But the real anger was generated when the US military tried to cover up the effects of atomic radiation on civilians -- and tried to shut me up. My emotional and intellectual response to Hiroshima was that the question of the social responsibility of a journalist was posed with greater urgency than ever.”

-- Wilfred Burchett 1980 (1)


EXCERPT...

30th Day in Hiroshima: Those who escaped begin to die, victims of

THE ATOMIC PLAGUE

‘I Write this as a Warning to the World’

DOCTORS FALL AS THEY WORK

Poison gas fear: All wear masks


Express Staff Reporter Peter Burchett was the first Allied Reporter to enter the atom-bomb city. He travelled 400 miles from Tokyo alone and unarmed, carrying rations for seven meals -- food is almost unobtainable in Japan -- a black umbrella, and a typewriter. Here is his story from –

HIROSHIMA, Tuesday

In Hiroshima, 30 days after the first atomic bomb destroyed the city and shook the world, people are still dying, mysteriously and horribly -- people who were uninjured in the cataclysm -- from an unknown something which I can only describe as the atomic plague.

Hiroshima does not look like a bombed city. It looks as if a monster steamroller had passed over it and squashed it out of existence. I write these facts as dispassionately as I can in the hope that they will act as a warning to the world.

In this first testing ground of the atomic bomb I have seen the most terrible and frightening desolation in four years of war. It makes a blitzed Pacific island seem like an Eden. The damage is far greater than photographs can show.

When you arrive in Hiroshima you can look around and for 25 and perhaps 30 square miles you can see hardly a building. It gives you an empty feeling in the stomach to see such man-made devastation.

I picked my way to a shack used as a temporary police headquarters in the middle of the vanished city. Looking south from there I could see about three miles of reddish rubble. That is all the atomic bomb left of dozens of blocks of city streets, of buildings, homes, factories, and human beings.

STILL THEY FAIL

There is just nothing standing except about 20 factory chimneys, ¬chimneys with no factories. I looked west. A group of half a dozen gutted buildings. And then again nothing.

The police chief of Hiroshima welcomed me eagerly as the first Allied correspondent to reach the city. With the local manager of Domei, leading Japanese news agency, he drove me through or, perhaps, I should say over, the city. And he took me to hospitals where the victims of the bomb are still being treated.

In these hospitals I found people who when the bomb fell, suffered absolutely no injuries, but now are dying from the uncanny after-effects . . .

THE SULPHUR SMELL

My nose detected a peculiar odour unlike anything I have ever smelled before. It is something like Sulphur, but not quite. I could smell it when I passed a fire that was still smouldering, or at a spot where they were still recovering bodies from the wreckage. But I could also smell it where everything was still deserted.

They believe it is given off by the poisonous gas still issuing from earth soaked with radioactivity released by the split uranium atom.

And so the people of Hiroshima today are walking through the forlorn desolation of their once proud city with gauze masks over their mouths and noses. It probably does not help them physically.

But it helps them mentally. .

From the moment that this devastation was loosed upon Hiroshima the people who survived have hated the white man. It is a hate the intensity of which is almost as frightening as the bomb itself.

‘ALL CLEAR’ WENT

The counted dead number 53,000. Another 30,000 are missing, which means ‘certainly dead.’ In the day I have stayed in Hiroshima -- and this is nearly a month after the bombing -- 100 people have died from its effects.

They were some of the 13,000 seriously injured by the explosion. They have been dying at the rate of 100 a day. And they will probably all die. Another 40,000 were slightly injured.

These casualties might not have been as high except for a tragic mistake. The authorities thought this was just another routine Super-Fort raid. The plane flew over the target and dropped the parachute which carried the bomb to its explosion point.

The American plane passed out of sight. The all-clear was sounded and the people of Hiroshima came out from their shelters. Almost a minute later the bomb reached the 2,000-foot altitude at which it was timed to explode -- at the moment when nearly everyone in Hiroshima was in the streets.

Hundreds and hundreds of the dead were so badly burned in the terrific heat generated by the bomb that it was not even possible to tell whether they were men or women, old or young.

Of thousands of others, nearer the centre of the explosion, there was no trace. They vanished. The theory in Hiroshima is that the atomic heat was so great that they burned instantly to ashes -- except that there were no ashes.

HEAP OF RUBBLE

The Imperial Palace, once an imposing building, is a heap of rubble three feet high, and there is one piece of wall. Roof, floors and everything else is dust.

Hiroshima has one intact building -- the Bank of Japan. This in a city which at the start of the war had a population of 310,000.

Almost every Japanese scientist has visited Hiroshima in the past three weeks to try to find a way of relieving the people’s suffering. Now they themselves have become sufferers.

For the first fortnight after the bomb dropped they found they could not stay long in the fallen city. They had dizzy spells and headaches. Then minor insect bites developed into great swellings which would not heal. Their health steadily deteriorated.

Then they found another extraordinary effect of the new terror from the skies.

Many people had suffered only a slight cut from a falling splinter of brick or steel. They should have recovered quickly. But they did not.

They developed an acute sickness. Their gums began to bleed and then they vomited blood. And finally they died.

All these phenomena, they told me, were due to the radioactivity released by the atomic bomb’s explosion of the uranium atom.

WATER POISONED

They found that the water had been poisoned by chemical reaction. Even today every drop of water consumed in Hiroshima comes from other cities. The people of Hiroshima are still afraid.

The scientists told me they have noted a great difference between the effect of the bombs in Hiroshima and in Nagasaki.

Hiroshima is in perfectly flat delta country. Nagasaki is hilly. When the bomb dropped on Hiroshima the weather was bad, and a big rain-storm developed soon afterwards.

And so they believe that the uranium radiation was driven into the earth and that, because so many are still falling sick and dying, it is still the cause of this man-made plague.

At Nagasaki on the other hand the weather was perfect, and scientists believe that this allowed the radioactivity to dissipate into the atmosphere more rapidly. In addition, the force of the bomb explosion was, to a large extent, expended in the sea, where only fish were killed.

To support this theory, the scientists point to the fact that, in Nagasaki, death came swiftly and suddenly, and that there have been no after-effects such as those that Hiroshima is still suffering.

CONTINUED...

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=17&ItemID=8502



A few years back, I visited the U.S. Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base outside Dayton, Ohio. Mixed emotions ruled as I walked through the hangars, filled with historic aircraft. It got too much for me, when I got to one B-29, Bock's Car. It dropped the bomb on Nagasaki. I walked underneath it, but I could not touch it. I dared not touch it.

This is no knock on the crew of the aircraft, or the designers and builders of the bomb, for that matter. My thing is I can't stand war itself and the people who make war for profit and power.

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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 09:59 PM
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26. And they still haven't learned, have they?
"From the moment that this devastation was loosed upon Hiroshima the people who survived have hated the white man. It is a hate the intensity of which is almost as frightening as the bomb itself."
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 10:04 PM
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27. just got lost
in that site ,
amazing..

thanks Octafish!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:11 PM
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28. And We the People got found.
What President Elect Obama did today:





Obama's Veterans Day: Soldier Field

At 11 am CST today, Veterans' Day, President-elect Barack Obama arrived at a bronze memorial at Chicago's Soldier Field.

Wearing a dark overcoat, the president-elect walked to the memorial with Tammy Duckworth, a wounded Iraq War veteran and director of the Department of Veterans Affairs for Illinois.

With her at his side, he picked up a wreath placed in front of the memorial and carried it a few feet forward, then set it directly in front of the bronze memorial.

Obama bowed his head for a moment, then put his right hand at his forehead, saluted and walked away with Duckworth. Only a few dozen spectators were present on this crisp day.

(Photo of President-elect Obama and Iraq war veteran Tammy Duckworth at wreath laying ceremony at the Bronze Soldiers Memorial by Pablo Martinez Monsivais / AP)

SOURCE: http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obamas_veterans_day_soldier_fi.html



We are so lucky, my Friend.
Obama lived in Hawaii, where the U.S.S. Arizona rests.
And his Grandfather, a veteran of D-Day, loved him.
We are so lucky, America.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 11:58 PM
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29. Vets for Peace understand ARe you one of them ?
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/index.php

STATEMENT OF PURPOSE

We, having dutifully served our nation, do hereby affirm our greater responsibility to serve the cause of world peace. To this end we will work, with others

(a) Toward increasing public awareness of the costs of war.
(b) To restrain our government from intervening, overtly and covertly, in the internal affairs of other nations
(c) To end the arms race and to reduce and eventually eliminate nuclear weapons
(d) To seek justice for veterans and victims of war
(e) To abolish war as an instrument of national policy.

To achieve these goals, members of Veterans For Peace pledge to use non-violent means and to maintain an organization that is both democratic and open with the understanding that all members are trusted to act in the best interests of the group for the larger purpose of world peace.

We urge all people who share this vision to join us.

Our membership is comprised of veterans from all wars spanning from The Spanish Civil War to the Gulf War, and the Iraq War. These members are distributed amongst 135 nationwide chapters, and dozens of international affiliations.

Our international activities include working with our affiliations in El Salvador, Russia, Canada, Japan, Guatemala, Viet Nam, the Netherlands, Chiapas (Mexico), France, England, Cuba, Nicaragua, Vieques (Puerto Rico), and numerous others. A member of the Nobel-Peace Prize winning Coalition to Ban the Sale and Use of Landmines, VFP has been undertaking arduous tasks since its inception. From bringing medical aid to Central American nations, to evacuating wounded children from war-torn Bosnian hospitals and securing medical treatment elsewhere around the globe, or just sitting down with American high school kids so that they may make choices for themselves based on reality, and not myth. We remain firmly committed to the abolition of war.

We know the consequences of American foreign policy because once, at a time in our lives, so many of us carried it out. We find it sad that war seems so delightful, so often, to those that have no knowledge of it. We will proudly, and patriotically, continue to denounce war despite whatever misguided sense of euphoria supports it 1985 - 2005 Twenty Years of Waging Peace
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30. Remembering the War to End All Wars
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Remembering the War to End All Wars

by Mike Ferner
Published on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 by American Forum

At the stroke of the 11th hour on the 11th day of the 11th month in 1918 the roaring guns fell silent. Our holiday that marks the end of “The Great War” is now called Veterans Day, yet it’s worth taking a moment to recollect when it was called Armistice Day and meant more than midnight madness sales at department stores.

Thirty million soldiers were killed or wounded and another 7 million were taken captive in that war. Never before had people witnessed such industrialized slaughter. Congress responded to a universal hope among Americans that such a war would never happen again by passing a resolution calling for “exercises designed to perpetuate peace through good will and mutual understanding…inviting the people of the United States to observe the day in schools and churches with appropriate ceremonies of friendly relations with all other peoples.” Later, Congress added that November 11 was to be “a day dedicated to the cause of world peace.”

While it is a good thing to honor the country’s military service veterans, the original intent of Armistice Day -- promoting peace -- has gotten lost over the years. One veterans’ organization is trying to recreate that original intent. Its name, appropriately enough, is Veterans For Peace.

Of the many veterans’ organizations in the U.S., Veterans For Peace (VFP) exists specifically to carry out the original purpose of Armistice Day. With 120 chapters across the country, the St. Louis-based organization has as its chief goal “to abolish war as an instrument of national policy.”

Founded in 1985 at the height of the Reagan administration’s support for the "contras" in Nicaragua and death squads elsewhere in Central America, VFP includes men and women veterans of all eras and wars -- cold or hot -- from World War II through the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/11/11



It would be an honor to be part of such an organization. I will do all I can to be of service to them.
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