If DU support for a auto bailout is because of the number of it's employees, if Wal-Mart asked for

[RB TexLa]

government help the same support would apply.

And remember the little three used the same tactics Wal-Mart does to get where they were. Forcing suppliers to lower costs for them, working to prevent unionization of their employees, etc. etc.

[old mark]

1. I would rather see a baiolut for WalMart than for any US based

automaker. ALL the US car companies have factories and contracts with other manufacturere all over the world. This is bullshit just to get free money from the taxpayers.

mark

[BlooInBloo]

2. Stupidest comparison ever.

[angstlessk]

5. Bloo agree!!! stupid comparison...and Auto Industry anti-union??? bizarro world!

[angstlessk]

3. prevent unionization..what the hell do you call UAW??? oh, I know

future wallyworld employees...screw that...Walmart employees support NO ONE..in fact the community is forced to support wallyworld employees because they are so poorly paid...sorry pick a better industry than wallyworld!

[RB TexLa]

4. Oh, I forgot, GM, Ford, and Chrysler welcomed UAW with a party and cake

:crazy:


So you don't care about, as you put it, poor workers. I see.

[angstlessk]

6. and FORD paid his employees enough to purchase his products...wallyworld employees

cannot even afford to shop at wallyworld..they go to the second hand store..the food pantry and medicaid..sorry not even close!

[RB TexLa]

8. Why don't you provide some of Henry Ford's pro-union positions? how about some qoutes about unions

from him?

[angstlessk]

11. how did this become a union debate.;.you want the auto industry to fail..and wally world to succeed

this is NOT ABOUT UNIONS!!!

[RB TexLa]

14. You said the auto industry didn't try to prevent unions. How about those Henry Ford pro-union qoute

I was saying the car companies are no different from Wal-Mart. One day there may be unions at Wal-Marts, just as there is now UAW.

[angstlessk]

18. One day..over the rainbow...and should I hold my breath waiting for wallyworld

to unionize???

[RB TexLa]

21. I don't know, but you could support them in their efforts instead of saying they are poor people and

a drain on everyone else.

[angstlessk]

27. HUH..I am now to support wallyworld employees while their owners become the richest people on earth?

I would rather support the auto industry since once that is lost it is GONE FOREVER FROM OUR SHORES...

[RB TexLa]

37. So you don't support their unionization efforts? Want to keep them out of the same "class" as you

or someone you know in the UAW?

I'm not talking a government bailout I made up to make a point, I'm talking about supporting the as you put it "poor people who don't support anyone," except for themselves and their families as best they can, in their efforts to earn a better living.

Tilt your head forward and you won't have to look so far down your nose at them.

[Skinner]

7. Point taken. But there is a difference.

The automakers actually manufacture stuff. It is not unreasonable to be concerned about the United States losing its domestic manufacturing capability. If the big three disappear, that manufacturing capability (and those jobs) moves overseas.

Walmart, on the other hand, manufactures nothing. They just sell stuff. If Walmart ceased to exist, some other retailer would step in and sell the same stuff. And the retail jobs wouldn't move overseas because the jobs need to be here in order to sell here. You can't put a Wal-mart in China in order to sell to customers in Iowa. The store needs to be in Iowa to sell to Iowa.

[angstlessk]

9. thank you, skinner..and THAT is why you fricking OWN this site!

[RB TexLa]

10. And if there is a demand for cars someone will step in and build them

[Skinner]

13. Please re-read my post.

And then respond in a manner that addresses my point.

[RB TexLa]

17. I did, the infrastructure is already in place, it will not be that hard to replace the companies

The companies that sell large amounts of cars in North America produce them in North America.

[angstlessk]

19. I take it YOU are not a business major.,..hell let's all join together on DU and start a bank

then we can get some of that thar bailout money...okey dokey...let's do it!

[RB TexLa]

23. The fidelity bond cost would kill you in trying to start a bank right now.

[angstlessk]

30. oh, but purchasing a factory..and designing and building automobiles...just a little pocket change

are you insane or do you play insane on wallyworld posts??

[RB TexLa]

34. Oh, I didn't realize. You think only people that "join together on DU" would be starting

an automobile company. I see.

[angstlessk]

43. RG..I have ALWAYS read and respected almost ALL your posts...ALMOST all

but ... you are losing it on this one...you CAN be wrong and still be a human being, you know!

[gravity]

42. But they won't use union labor

[pampango]

44. Great point. There are plenty of skilled auto workers, resources and capital in the US.

We have all the ingredients of a successful auto industry, including the huge market. What we have lacked is competent ownership/management over the past few decades. If we bail out these incompetents, we will get more of the same unless we somehow micromanage the industry for them (in which case what do we need them for).

Better to let new ownership and management figure out how to combine labor, capital and resources to make a renewed auto industry.

[angstlessk]

15. did you even READ Skinners post...sure they will step in..in china..in india..in bangledish

not necessarily in America...wally world cannout oursouce their retail stores to china..unless they paid for our round trip airfair to shop!!!

[RB TexLa]

16. And most companies that sell cars in North America build them in North America

[angstlessk]

25. have you SEEN what is entering our ports??? I lived in Norfolk and we had a port

AND THERE WERE CARS ENTERING THE COUNTRY..ONCE GM/FORD/CHRYSLER ARE GONE..THEY ARE GONE...who is going to loan a start up money to produce autos when even GM cant get a loan?? huh??? you got tens to hundreds of millions for THAT START UP?

[Trajan]

12. VERY Well Said ....

You know ? ... When you kick in, you do pretty good, for an administrator ....

:evilgrin:

[walldude]

39. A point well made but...

When does the line get drawn? When does a business become responsible for it's own failures? The U.S. auto industry could have gotten out of bed with the oil companies and started making cars that people would buy. Inexpensive fuel efficient cars. The big three buried anyone with a good idea and a way to make cars more efficient. They are and remain in bed with the oil industry.

While I sit out the debate(mostly) because I don't want to see people lose their jobs, I can't say that bailing out another failed industry/company is the right thing to do. Yet I won't fault anyone for wanting to do it to save peoples jobs.

I'm just getting tired of paying taxes and then watching them go to wealthy CEO's of FAILED BUSINESSES so they can continue to live among the wealthy and look down on me for being stupid enough to allow my money to pay for their gold faucets.

So can you tell me, if this isn't the line then where is it drawn?

[Touchdown]

20. Force unionization of all W-Ms before any bailout talk.

Then there would be no need for a bailout, since it was just extortion to begin with.

[flvegan]

22. This thread will be awesome!

So many good ones tonight!

:popcorn:

[Starry Messenger]

24. I brought the big bag.

[flvegan]

28. You and I are going to be sick later.

:thumbsup:

[Starry Messenger]

38. So worth it.

We need trading cards for this sport.

[leeroysphitz]

26. Comparing good paying, middle class, unionized auto worker jobs to part time slave wage, no benefits

wal-marts jobs is stupid. Very ignorant of you. What on earth were you thinking when you decided to post this thread for everyone to see? You should delete to end the humiliation you must be feeling otherwise it could, quite literally, go on for days.

The auto industry built the middle class which in turn built this nation. Wal-Mart's business strategy is disintegrating that same middle class just as fast as it can. How can you not (or why will you not) see the difference? I presume you are literate and can do basic math and so I'm puzzled as to why you would take this nonsensical stance.

If this is truly how you feel then allow me to give you an early 2012 voter guide: Palin/whoever.

[angstlessk]

29. exactly...to compare wallyworld to the auto industry is like comparing

stalin to mother theresa...it just does not compute!

[hay rick]

31. Henry Ford quote

There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.

More quotes:http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/henry_ford.html

From the wikipedia article:
Ford astonished the world in 1914 by offering a $5 per day wage, which more than doubled the rate of most of his workers. The move proved extremely profitable; instead of constant turnover of employees, the best mechanics in Detroit flocked to Ford, bringing in their human capital and expertise, raising productivity, and lowering training costs. Ford called it "wage motive."

[RB TexLa]

35. "The UAW would organize Ford over my dead body."

After they wanted a you know a little more.

[angstlessk]

36. well guess what...Ford WAS unionized..and Ford was not dead!

[RB TexLa]

40. And the same could happen to Wal-Mart. You were the one saying the car companies were so pro-union

after I said they had become what they were using the same tactics Wal-Mart does.

[Rabrrrrrr]

32. Not at all. Totally not at all. The auto industry produces stuff,

and helps our economy; PLUS it actually pays decent wages with benefits and unionization.

All WalMart does is move shit around (literally - it takes stuff from factories and helps get it into homes with a little bit of a handling fee added in) - it generates little to no actual economic impact on the country, WalMart pays shit wages, denies benefits to employees, and is fiercely anti-union.

WalMart could fold tomorrow, and it would have only a momentary blip of effect on the economy, because all their sales would simply be moved into other stores.

Retailers don't take the economy down when they fail; they fail because of a bad economy.

Manufacturing jobs DO take the economy down when they fail.

[DU GrovelBot]

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[flvegan]

41. I don't drink with you!!!!