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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:31 PM
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Greenwald: Lieberman Will Stay Chair, Nothing He Has Done Really Bothers Beltway Dems
Edited on Wed Nov-12-08 07:34 PM by Truth2Tell
Anyone who wants to understand the sad truth of the state of our very own political party - even after the great Obama victory - would be well advised to read Glenn Greenwald.

Today he lays it out on Lieberman and the Senate Democratic leadership:

Though it hasn't happened yet, it is appearing http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15551.html">increasingly likely that Senate Democrats -- led by Barack Obama (who seems to be playing a http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/fineman_obama_and_durbin_want.php">much more active role in all of this than his http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_spokesperson_he_doesnt_h.php">spokesperson yesterday suggested) -- are going to choose Joe Lieberman to serve as their Chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee in the next Congress. If that happens, there will be one important silver lining: it will remind many people, who have understandably forgotten due to the euphoria last week, exactly what most Beltway Democrats are, what their priorities and beliefs are, and to whose opinions and concerns they do and do not pay attention.

It is worth remembering that the Democrats who are going to exert dominant political control are the same ones who have provoked so much scorn -- rightfully so -- over the last several years, and particularly since 2006. This is the same Democratic Party leadership which funded the Iraq War without conditions (and voted to authorize it in the first place); massively expanded the President's warrantless eavesdropping powers; immunized lawbreaking telecoms; enacted the Patriot Act and then renewed it with virtually no changes; didn't even bother to mount a filibuster to stop the Military Commissions Act; refrained from pursuing any meaningful investigations of Bush lawbreaking; confirmed every last extremist Bush nominee, from Michael McConnell to Michael Mukasey; http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/07/15/complicity/">acquiesced to even the worst and most lawless Bush policies when they were briefed on them; and on and on and on. None of that has changed. That is still who they are.

Joe Lieberman didn't merely campaign against Barack Obama and several other Democrats. That's the least of his sins. He was not only among the most vocal supporters of the Iraq War, but at least as bad, http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/06/reid/">has endorsed and supported every last radical Bush policy to expand executive power and surveillance activities while destroying core constitutional liberties and checks and balances. http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/12/obama-wants-lieberman-to-stay-but-at-what-price/">He used his Chairmanship for only one purpose: to block oversight into Bush scandals and corruption. He has spouted the most defamatory attacks, not only against Barack Obama, but against war opponents generally. More significantly still, Democrats in his own state -- his own constituents -- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/12/15812/777/90/659953">booted him out of the party, no longer wanting to be represented by him.

That is who Senate Democrats appear well on their way to selecting to serve as their Chairman of Homeland Security, of all committees. That's because nothing that Lieberman has done really bothers them. Endorsing the Iraq War and the full panoply of radical Bush policies isn't disqualifying in the least because so many of them also endorsed that and support it, or, at the very least, it's not a priority for them. They care even less what their "base" thinks, what the so-called "Left" wants. Few things in this world are less likely than them ever taking even a mild stand -- such as stripping Lieberman of his Chair -- in order to defend some sort of political principle, or to punish ineptitude, or to announce that there are certain lines to the Right that can't be crossed. They don't do that. They never have. And it shouldn't surprise anyone that they won't now.

On Edit: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/11/12/lieberman/index.html">Read the whole thing here


Few things in this world are less likely than them ever taking even a mild stand...

So sad and so true.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:32 PM
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1. GODDAM IT!!!!!!!
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mokawanis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:37 PM
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2. I wish he'd offered up a glimmer of hope
Edited on Wed Nov-12-08 07:37 PM by mokawanis
because I think he's probably right and that's depressing as hell. What good does it do to defeat the Repugs if all we get for our efforts is lukewarm and weak-kneed Dems???
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:43 PM
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3. I think there is still hope.
We are still just reading tea leaves with all this stuff. We have 3 months before anything actually happens. The word today is that Obama may not keep Gates as Sec Def in spite of pressure from the Media, the Repigs and the DLC/War Dems. Obama may be keeping his powder dry for the real fights ahead. As much as I have grown to despise that phrase, it MIGHT aptly apply to Obama right now.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:46 PM
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4. The more things change the more they stay the same?
:shrug:
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:50 PM
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5. I don't don't know what to think about that.
If its going to be business as usual with the promised change meaning shifting from one hand to the other there will be a lot of Obama voters, myself included that won't be willing to back any of the two major parties next time around.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 08:32 PM
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6. And Obama gets a rubberstamp Congress just like George had.
Oh, goody.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 08:45 PM
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7. Recced to move this baby UP!! There is only ONE reason that my small mind can conceive of
to keep Lieberman as a Dem and chair of Homeland Security--sixty votes. That's it. And it's possible if Begich and Martin and Franken win. Whether it would actually matter is a matter for conjecture since Lieberman is probably going to vote against most progressive agenda items anyway. Although, our good friend Harry Reid says that Joe votes with the Dems more than other Dems do, for what that's worth.

Glenn Greenwald's case is compelling. For those of us who believed (probably foolishly) that we might have a progressive President with a Congress that might make things better for Americans this is a depressingly familiar and discouraging development.

Somebody cheer me up.

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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 09:20 PM
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8. Not even for a 60th vote is it worth cashing in our values
Edited on Wed Nov-12-08 09:21 PM by RiverStone
I'm still thrilled Obama won, but sleeping with the enemy in Lieberman is beyond the pale, beyond explanation, and simply a stupid move.

Alas, if Loserman retains his seat and Chairmanship - I'll think it to be total bullshit - but I won't fight that battle. Far more pressing issues for the Obama admin to deal with. Sadly, if Joe stays - call it politics as usual - even from our own party.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 09:29 PM
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9. If that's true then we need a SENATE CLEANING in 2010...and Reid has to GO!
:nuke:
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:28 PM
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13. To his credit, Reid wanted Lieberman to go
It seems that it is Obama who is pushing for Lieberman to stay and, by the way, Obama who is not giving Dean the credit he deserves for all the wins in 2006 and 2008.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:38 PM
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15. Oops, I was wrong. We need to get rid of Reid!!!!!
Surely there are better candidates than Reid in Nevada. If we start now promoting someone else, perhaps we can unseat Reid!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:59 PM
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17. That was quick...what changed your mind?
:dilemma:
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 11:05 PM
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18. I did some research.
I have not had much faith in Reid for some time now, so I thought I better double check. I thought that I had read that Reid gave Lieberman and ultimatum that he could no longer hold the chairmanship of Homeland Security. Turns out my memory was wrong.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 09:41 PM
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10. That Change Crap didn't last long
:grr: :grr: :grr:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 09:45 PM
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11. It's all about being part of the club. n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 09:46 PM
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12. Well....Its up to Conn now!! They can remove him.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:33 PM
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14. let me understand....
....the punishment for betraying the Democratic Party and it's non-existent base is the awarding of a major Committee Chairmanship....

....I get it, that makes sense, they're all serving the same corporate master....
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:07 PM
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20. True. Many Dems don't like that Lieberman
betrayed Obama. But most of the leadership are OK with him being a virtual neocon on foreign policy and Bushista on civil liberties. He can even run the committee supervising that stuff. If he hadn't campaigned for McCain this wouldn't even be on the table, but he would still be just as dangerous for America.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:55 PM
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16. and when joe hauls out articles of impeachment on obama
january 21 will the dems let investigations go forward and we'll end up impeaching obama before february rolls around?

evan bayh was on rachel's show tonight talking about if the dems don't like the way joe is handling the committee they can vote to get him off. but if fucking joe starts shit against the executive branch (which is what his committee oversees) can you imagine the outcry from republikas how we ousted joe when he made the kitchen a little too hot--can't obama take the heat, etc.

he's a fucking poison pill.

and these kiss ass/indifferent senators need to wake the fuck up if they give a rats ass about how successful obama and the new administration is gonna be.

if they allow obama to be fucked over by joe leading this committee they should lose their jobs!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:49 AM
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19. That is so sad....
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