Holy Fuck We Can Seriously Still Walk Away With The 60 Senator Super Victory? FUCK YEAH!!!!!!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Begich now winning with a TON of votes left to be counted, with a huge chance he can be a decisive victor?

Al Franken behind by a smidgen but with a recount that will take place that has a GREAT chance of giving him the victory?

Runoff in Georgia with Jim Martin having a huge financial advantage in a tight race, and a renewed ground motivation to very well squeak past chambliss into the winners circle?

Are you kidding me? We aren't there yet, but we've got pretty damn good odds of winning all 3 if the right things fall into place. I mean, a year or two ago 60 senators was a fucking dream. But right now it is a fucking toss up!

Ok, so maybe I'm a bit overexcited, but we have a SERIOUS FUCKIN SHOT HERE! After the pounding they took on Election day, can you imagine how the freepers heads would explode if after all that, if after all the mental pain they already are dealing with, if after a month from now they have to start with the pain all over again by realizing we've got the 60?

Please please please please please let us win these 3 races. What a bonus fuckin victory that would be. Begich? I think he's all but certain to win. Franken? I place his odds better than 50/50. Martin? I think he may well just pull it out too! Really not all that uphill of a climb here to do this.

YES WE CAN!!!!!

[liberalmuse]

1. Yeah, it's gonna happen!

This Universe ROCKS!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. LOL Indeed It Does!

That's why I think prop 8 is gonna be shot down in a fuckin blaze too by the SC! Keepin my fingers crossed on all fronts!

[Arctic Dave]

3. See what happens when you dig your heels in and don't knuckle under.

Nancy, Harry are you listening?

[aquart]

4. HUSH YOUR MOUTH!

Celebrate when there's a victory. We ain't there yet.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Oh Hush Your Own LOL

I celebrated no victory nor claimed any. I voiced excitement over the POSSIBILITY.

[Interceptor7]

5. Bury the GOP!

It's time to bring progressive policy to America. Let's get 60!

[asksam]

58. What we REALLY need is 67!

Once we have 67, we can start expelling the ReThug senators that are left.

Oh well, we can also impeach the ReThugs on the Supreme Court (Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, Alito)

[bluestateguy]

6. But we would have to keep Lieberman

To me that is not worth it. 59 is still a really good number. Susan Collins and Oly Snowe don't seem likely to join in many GOP fillibusters.

[Truth2Tell]

64. 60 Dems will only give progressives a super majority

on some issues - like Supreme Court choices; the environment; women's, minority and gay rights; protection of Social Security; maintenance of safety net programs; and implementation of much of the Obama agenda. This would all be great news.

However, many in the Dem caucus, including but certainly not limited to Lieberman, are not progressive on other issues, and progressives will have nothing like a super majority or even a majority in those areas. These include foreign intervention and militarism; civil liberties; executive power; trade and labor issues; consumer protections and more. The corporate war DLC wing of the Party will still maintain a stranglehold on those issues and will still rule the roost. We will still escalate in Afghanistan and elsewhere. We will continue to bankrupt our children with more and more weapons spending. We will continue to export jobs and enter into Wall Street designed "trade deals." Unions will continue to languish. Our intelligence agencies will continue to act as rogue agents across the globe and in the US, etc., etc., etc.

So a super majority promises to be a mixed bag of super. Much much good, and also much business as usual.

[drm604]

7. Wow! n/t

[TomInTib]

8. Begich has been walking away, with about 65% of uncounted votes.

In the event of a Georgia runoff, I think the pukes will stay home and suck Mommy's teat while watching animal porn.

Go Franken!

[gristy]

24. Indeed. Begich HAS been walking away with about 65% of uncounted votes.

No comma required!

[InvisibleTouch]

10. That would be amazing!

Imagine what could get accomplished under a great President with a supportive Congress. Too perfect to be true? We shall see.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. OH MY GOD, NO WAY! Can we write our senators to vote NO on Lieberman?

I'm about to SCREAM FOR JOY! WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dsc]

12. Georgia would be highly unlikely

Fowler was ahead in 92 fresh off Clinton's victory but ended up losing as all the Libertarians went home to the GOP. I think the same thing will happen again and this time Chamblis only needs about a quarter of them.

[Hippo_Tron]

28. This isn't 1992, the libertarians might stay home or vote Democratic

The Republicans have basically gone out of their way to alienate libertarians over the past 8 years. Plus Chambliss voted against the bailout which will cost him among Libertarians.

[RebelOne]

96. It's going to be close, but I don't think Martin will win.

Georgia is red, red. Too many Republicans to vote for Chambliss in the run-off.

[bvar22]

13. Help unseat Chambliss...Make this a NATIONAL effort !

Do your part to add another DEMOCRATIC seat in the Senate.
Donate HERE:
http://www.actblue.com/page/changetogeorgia?refcode=site


Check out Martin's website:
http://www.martinforsenate.com/home.html


Please keep this kicked.
Post on other sites.
Send to your friends.

[Doctor Cynic]

14. Sorry to rain on your parade.

But 60 can only be reached if Lieberman is counted as a Democrat.

You tell me if this is appropriate.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. Hell Yeah I'd Take Him For The Greater Good.

And regardless, he votes with the Dems like 80 somethin percent of the time anyway, so on MOST legislation his vote will be part of that 60!

[mondo joe]

18. That's always his fucking ticket. But it's needed. NT

[LynneSin]

31. And even then that means all Democrats would stick WITH the filibuster

I know two guys named Nelson (Ben & Bill) who tend to go the other way. Hell I wouldn't even trust my own senator Tom Carper to stick with every filibuster.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Do you remember how you felt when we learned that Webb won?

That gave us a bare majority.

This will be even better!

[GreenTea]

17. If the DNC, Obama & Dem candidates bring in their lawyers to monitor the counting they can win all 3

because the republicans certainly are...and if left alone they will steal all three seats....Donate if you can!!

[bertman]

19. We would be a lot closer to legislative flexibility with 60, but we still have some DINO's

who might spoil the party, if past performance is an indicator of future accomplishments.

[Suji to Seoul]

32. Baucus, Landrieu, Nelson, Nelson, Lieberman, Johnson

It isn't as solid as you think. . .but maybe we can get Snowe, Collins and Specter to vote to end the filibusters we know the Republicans will do.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Irrelevant.

Look at every piece of blocked legislation this past congress. What you'll find is that almost every single one, despite the blue dogs, would now have enough votes to pass.

Only looking at one side of the equation; defects from our side, without taking into consideration the defects from the other side, is just narrow minded and foolish.

[bertman]

40. Narrow minded and foolish, eh. I prefer to think of it as realistic and history-based.

When you talk about defections from the other side are you taking into account the fact that the new Republican minority is going to have to show its base that it is willing to stand up to the "tax and spend" Democrats? That will be one of the few battle cries they will have to rally their supporters for the 2010 Congressional elections. I'm pretty sure it will be hammered home on issue after issue so the voters won't forget that the Republicans are the so-called "small government" party. If these incumbent Republicans vote with Obama they will have nothing to distinguish them from moderate Democratic challengers in their home districts.

Although Obama won by 8 million voters the enthusiasm for his election is unlikely to carry over to the 2010 elections. The coattails will not be so long. Because Obama's agenda will of necessity involve expanding government (which you and I think is a good thing in this instance) the Republicans will have a long list of efforts to expand government to use in their usual attempts to convince the voters to vote for them because bigger government and more wasteful spending is a bad thing. So they will be doing everything they can to remind the folks in their districts that they are true-blue, brave Americans who stand up against the nasty old liberal-majority in the Obama runaway-train Democratic Congress.

I am also speculating that a lot of Independents who voted for Obama will be less likely to give him even more Democrats in Congress, just as a check on too much one-party power.

Maybe it is foolish to think in terms of what the other party's strategy might be. Maybe not.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. The Republicans Voting Yes With Us In The Past Were Under Just As Much Pressure.

They voted yes anyway. It is likely they would continue to vote yes on the legislation they want for their constituents. There will always be some RINO's, especially in this political atmosphere, that will jump the aisle. It would seem logical that even more would now, after the thumping they received. Their lockstep tactics failed them already. Voters don't want to see blockage, they want to see cooperation. Those yes votes will be there, and there may be even more than the last time a given piece of legislation was attempted.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. You still fail to provide names. You are irrelevant.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. I Told You: Do Your Homework. I Just Did Some For You Below.

You keep squawking out the name meme like a parrot, though it's meaningless. Do your homework. The facts are all right there for you. If you'd rather continue arguing from a foundation of ignorance, be my guest. But such behavior is the certain mark of a fool.

[PatriotGames]

20. It is quite possible, my friend! n/t

[TZ]

21. I hate to be a downer but...

Looks like that 60 is gonna include Liebermann which essentially makes it meaningless since he likes to vote with the Pukes on the important issues.

[defendandprotect]

22. That would make Liebermann a powerful idiot gain ...!!!

[dana_b]

25. if that's the only down side..

we'll take it! he may have become such a wishy/washy POS that he can be easily manipulated (hopefully not manipulative).

[Initech]

23. So close... yet so far!!!! Come on Al, Mike, and Jim!!!!

[goforit]

26. WTF???? With Leiberman voting for BUSH 24/7 does it matter??

[Gman]

27. Doesn't 60 include Lieberman???

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. Lieberman wouldn't be the only problematic Dem. There are several Blue Dogs who

vote very often with the Repukes.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. And There Are Equal If Not More Repubs That Vote With Us.

Funny how some of the cynical and perpetually negative amongst us always fail to mention the other side of the equation.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

41. Name them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. I've Done The Homework On My End And Know The Facts. Now You Need To.

Like I've said in other threads; go seek out online every single piece of legislation that was defeated through filibuster within our current congress. Look at the votes short of cloture. It is that number that matters. You'll see that with these pickups, almost every single piece of legislation would now be able to move forward.

Do your homework. Seek out the facts rather than relying on technical babble. Yes, technically we could say that not all 60 dems will vote yes every single time blah blah blah blah, but the facts are more important. The facts are largely already there. Seek out the failed cloture votes. Look at the yes numbers. Your answers will be found there.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. No, you haven't done your homework. Name them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. I Have Done My Homework And Have Posted It Previously. You Haven't Done Yours.

It is time you do it, so that you don't continue to talk from an angle of ignorance. Seek out the legislation. Seek out the yes votes for every piece of legislation that failed due to filibuster. You will find your answers there.

If you choose not to, then you have no basis in reality to stand on. Facts matter, and without them you have no position to argue. What the facts show is that in almost every single piece of legislation defeated by filibuster, we were 9 or less votes short of achieving cloture. That's a fact. In almost every single case, there were republicans included in the yes totals. So do your homework, seek out the facts, look at the vote totals, and you will have your answer. Do it not, and you are arguing from ignorance.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. Sorry, you're the one coming from a place of gross ignorance.

On a rare occasion Hagel and Specter will vote with the Dems, and I believe only a couple of times Luger. That's 3 Republicans (and one will be retiring shortly) that have voted with the Democrats. Can you name any other? I thought not.......

On the other hand, there are the Blue Dogs and Dinos. There's Lieberman, McCaskill on several occasions, Feinstein, Baucus, Landrieu, Nelson, Nelson, Lieberman, Johnson, Salazar.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. You Continue To Argue From Ignorance. Why Will You Not Do Your Homework?

Why do you continue to argue from a foundation of ignorance, instead of seeking out the answers and FACTS that show you are in the wrong?

You can state as much as you want that I'm ignorant and repubs don't vote with the dems, but the FACTS prove you wrong. And the fact is, you haven't done your homework. You aren't educated on the issue. You don't have the facts at hand. You are arguing from a foundation of ignorance, yet are stubbornly clinging to it. That is the mark of a fool.

Do your homework. All the facts you need are within your assignment. Those facts prove you wrong on their face. It is not surprising that you are avoiding doing your assignment because of that, since if you undertook the exercise you would no longer have a leg to stand on. I can understand your refusal to learn the facts based on that. I can understand it, but I can't respect it. I can never respect the willfully ignorant.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

51. Here, Let Me Spoonfeed You A Little, Since You're Too Lazy To Do Your Homework.

Here's some examples for ya:

The Renewable Energy and Job Creation Act of 2008 (HR 6049)
52 for cloture, 3 republicans included.

The Consumer-First Energy Act of 2008 (HR 6022, S 3044)
51 for cloture, 6 republicans included

Baucus Amendment: Tax Incentives for Alternative Energy (S.Amdt. 1704)
57 for cloture, 10 republicans included

Stop Excessive Energy Speculation Act of 2008 (S 3268)
50 for cloture, 2 republicans included

Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act of 2007 (HR 4, S 3)
55 for cloture, 6 republicans included

Orderly and Responsible Iraq Redeployment Appropriations Act (HR 4156)
53 for cloture, 4 republicans included

Levin Amendment: Iraq Pullout (S.Amdt. 2087)
52 for cloture, 4 republicans included

District of Columbia House Voting Rights Act of 2007 (HR 1905, S 1257)
57 for cloture, 8 republicans included

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (HR 2831)
56 for cloture, 6 republicans included

Employee Free Choice Act (HR 800)
51 for cloture, 1 republican included

The American Housing Rescue and Foreclosure Prevention Act (HR 3221)
48 for cloture, 1 republican included

Energy Bill :
53 votes for cloture, 5 republicans included

Medicare Fee Cut:
59 voting for cloture, 8 republicans included

As you can see, your argument is dead in the water. These are FACTS supplied above, not just theoretical spouting rooted in ignorance as some other arguments have been.

:hi:

[datasuspect]

61. gross ignorance is this "intellectual's" M.O.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. There You Go With The Empty Nonsensical One Liners Again.

Bet you didn't even read the argument. Bet you don't even know the context of it. Bet you have no capability whatsoever of actually discussing the context or understanding the position. If you did, you'd see that in this case I was right and the poster was wrong.

But facts don't matter to you, only idiocy does. You're nothing but an empty shell.

[datasuspect]

73. can you pick horses too?

beings that yer psychic and all.

in all seriousness. you have a tremendous and bloated sense of your own importance. any reasonable thinker here knows that you act like an ass and you consistently prove it.

i understand that interaction on the internet might be the only meaningful social interaction you have. your writing stinks of it.

so, keep up the ruse, i'm sure everyone believes it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

74. Checkmate.

[datasuspect]

81. you like to send PMs and then not receive a reply?

here's your PM text for everyone to read:




You're Nothing.
From: OPERATIONMINDCRIME
Date: Nov-13-08 04:16 PM

"You know that right? You don't think I'm onto you? You offer nothing. You lead an empty existence. You have had nothing of value or substance to add to this board in your time here. You don't have the ability to post anything grander than nonsensical empty garbage and every post of yours I've come across in a history search is completely worthless. It wouldn't surprise me for a second to learn that you're a freeper in disguise, since you fit the m.o. perfectly based on your one sentence empty replies and repeated say nothing posts in the lounge. I'd wager you are quite lonely and desperate for attention and probably don't have many friends at all in real life. I kinda feel for you.

But as much as I normally don't judge people for their online persona, since in real life most of us are decent and not like we are online, I can't say that about you. When my wife died you not only offered no condolences like every other member of this site did, but you even went so far as to question it and belittle the tragedy. That shows that your character in real life is that of a lowlife scumbag, and that in real life you likely have as little to offer as you have here.

You are an inconsequential pion. You think you're smart but you're not. Your post history shows that you have nothing to say, are unable to engage in debate, post nothing with any substance, have lacked any sign of intellect when posting, and even that you are a cold hearted childish scumbag even in the face of tragedy.

You are nothing datasuspect. You think you're clever but I see right through you. Someday I will see a tombstone by your name when the mods finally catch on to your uselessness and your baiting, selfish and disruptive nature; and I will laugh my ass off.

Not sure who you're foolin son, but ya ain't foolin me."





OMC, you are mentally unbalanced.

Grown ups who are busy probably don't have the time to research posting histories of people. that must have been a hell of a job for you. i have close to 20,000 posts.

do you not have a job, or do you receive an SSI check? you have way too much time on your hands, but i am flattered that you have developed a rich narrative and mythology about me.

it would never have occurred to me send you a PM about anything.

checkmate fucko.


PS: it's PEON there intellect boy.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. Wow. I'm Amazed At How Quickly The Facts Shut You Up.

:rofl:

[datasuspect]

55. yer such a internet message board maverick

a real loose cannon.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

56. Those Who Lack Intellect Will Generally Default To Such Irrelevant And Substanceless Idiocy.

You wear the habit proudly.

[datasuspect]

57. Those Who Lack Intellect Mistake Nonstandard Capitalization and Sophistry

for profundity

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. I'm Disappointed You Didn't Come Out After The Election.

I had been betting that you would have.

Know what's interesting? I've searched your entire post history. You haven't had anything intellectual to add; ever. Just always a bunch of nonsensical few word replies that mean nothing. Not one post I found from you showed intellect. Not one post I found from you showed an ability to debate. Not one post I found from you was longer than a sentence. Not one post I found from you had anything real to say whatsoever or any substance behind it. You bring nothing to the table and post with the mentality of a child. Of all the DU'ers in the OMC fan club, I'd have to say you are the most simplistic and useless out of all of them. You have nothing of merit nor intellect to say, ever.

And you know what types usually post one sentence quick absurd responses that build up post count and keep them under the radar for years? Well, I'm sure you already well know. :hi:

[datasuspect]

60. I'm flattered that you care enough to do research on me

you flatter yourself when you consider yourself an intellectual.

maybe it's an effect of the grieving process.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

62. I Flatter Myself Appropriately.

And your mocking my personal tragedy just shows how much of an ignorant jackass you truly are; not that there was much doubt to begin with.

Your post history speaks for itself. Couple words of unintelligent nonsense every time, without fail. Are you scared to try and actually speak more than one sentence at a time and have to use your brain? You seem intimidated by the concept.

There is so much to discuss on DU and so many topics and debates in which we can express our opinions, thoughts and positions, yet you never do more than post a few simple words that lend nothing to the discussion and have no sign of intellect behind them.

This isn't a put down, it's a fact seen from your posting history. So why is that? Why are you so scared to post more than a sentence of irrelevant idiocy? Why do you never actually discuss any topic? Are you scared? Are you just building post count? Either way, you're an irrelevant mess.

[datasuspect]

63. You aren't really that important

this place is more fun for me than anything.

reading your nonsense is a hoot.

your estimation of me is equivalent to a steaming pile of shit. and it matters just as much.

now go play sophistry boy.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

65. My Estimation Of You Was Spot On.

Your post history proves it.

And how could it be fun to just post 6 words of idiocy while never engaging in back and forth discussion or taking any real position on anything? Wow, your life must be quite empty for you to consider that being fun.

C'mon, just come out. Say what you really wanna say. You know you want to! Don't be a coward, just do it!

[datasuspect]

66. it's because i have a life

arguing with closeted RWers on message boards is like wrangling pigeons: the pigeons make a fuss and they shit everywhere.

but it is fun to watch.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

68. But You Have Never Done Such. All You've Ever Done Is Post Nonsense.

Look at your post history. It is filled with empty idiocy and not one post I've found while searching showed any sign of intellect as it relates to discussion. You haven't argued with anyone, RW or otherwise. You've simply posted short sentences of sarcasm that haven't contributed a thing to anybody. The majority of your posts are ridiculously immature and moronic lounge posts. The ones in GD are just short quips with no sign of argument, substance or intellect.

You lead a lonely and empty existence. I have no doubt about that. :hi:

[datasuspect]

71. you need medication

stat.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. Checkmate.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. Oh, And Don't Think I Don't Remember Your Disgusting Behavior When My Wife Died.

You were one of only a handful who didn't post any condolences and were disgusting and pathetic enough to actually post negative things during that time. It showed your complete lack of character and how truly disgusting of a person you were. I haven't forgotten, and am quite aware as to how empty and pathetic your existence is.

Some things you just don't soon forget.

[LSK]

85. Senators Collins, Snowe, McCain, Specter

We would only need 1.

[Odin2005]

91. Off the top of my head, Snowe, Collins, Spector, McLame, I'm sure there are a few more.

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. Fuckin' A. That's what I've been hoping for the whole time.

Yes We Can!

No excuses after we win a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. ANYONE who votes against the party needs to GO when the mid-term elections come around in two years. NO EXCUSES!

Would that happen, I'd EXPECT to have universal health care in less than two years. I'd EXPECT, no, DEMAND CAFE standards that would FORCE the big three auto makers to make 100 mpg automobiles within two years.

I'd EXPECT, no, DEMAND that we address the issue of global climate change with realistic laws that would FORCE energy makers to make energy without endangering the future of this planet. I'd expect that our gubmint FORCE every developing country to adhere to the SAME standards. Every one.

I'd ACCEPT nothing less. And, ANYONE who voted against one of those proposals would have to deal with challengers to their seats that I would spend every last dollar that I have to unseat them.

It's time. Time to get the deadwood out of government. Rethug AND Dem. Fuck them all. They ALL need to go. As far as I'm concerned, ANYONE who's been in elected positions should lose their seat if they vote NO on ANY of the above. With a Dem Congress, Senate, and Executive there should be NO REASON we can't get what we want.

I've said it before.

[KnaveRupe]

30. The "60" is a bogus benchmark.

It implies that the Democrats will vote in party lockstep, and that Traitor Joe will vote along.

There are still too many Blue Dogs to block a filibuster on any truly progressive legislation. While every seat counts, and I certainly hope we pick up every last one of those "yet-to-be-decided" seats, don't get yourself all worked up over "60".

You're setting yourself up for a major disappointment when the Republicans poach Ben Nelson or someone like that to support a filibuster.

And they will.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. Oh Give Me A Break.

You don't think I know how politics work? You think I'm new to this?

Setting myself up for a major disappointment... What a crock of shit.

I know full well that the 60 is more ceremonial than anything. But it was a huge talking point this election cycle and to end up accomplishing that once seen as impossible task as well, is definitely worthy of celebration. There is definitely a mental aspect associated with it as it relates to momentum and accomplishing that feat will certainly make many GOP and freeper heads explode.

But spare me your preaching. I know damn well the realities of how the Senate works. But what you fail to realize in your lopsided cynicism is that there are some on the other side of the aisle who vote with us regularly.

Maybe you want to do some homework yourself, so that you can be more informed on the realities of the Senate and its legislation. Go back through every single piece of legislation put forth in this past congress that was blocked with a filibuster. Then look at the yes votes. What you'll find is that almost EVERY SINGLE PIECE of blocked legislation would now have enough votes to pass if we do reach that 60 plateau. Almost every single one was 9 or less votes shy of passing the cloture motion. With these pickups, that means that blue dogs or not, that almost every single fucking one of them would've had the cloture vote passed. THAT's what matters, and reaching that number of 60 is not only incredibly powerful from a mental and talking point perspective, but gives us the numbers we need DESPITE blue dogs to get almost every single piece of legislation through.

Yes, this is absolutely worth celebrating and calling it a bogus benchmark is just dumb. If it was so bogus, there wouldn't be so much attention paid to it.

[KnaveRupe]

42. Easy, tiger!

First of all, there's a long road to go yet before this is anything other than hypothetical. Let's not fight over the chicken count a-fore they get all hatchified.

Second, you've been around forever. You CAN'T be so naive to think that the GOP will allow their members to vote with the Dems if it matters. Snowe, Collins, Specter, and any other "moderate" republicans will be brought back in line A-fucking-S-A-P when it comes time to block a liberal SCOTUS nomination, or Universal Health Care, or anything else remotely progressive that the Dems might try to push through. Yes, there have been cloture votes that have failed by less than 10 votes recently. That does not mean that any Republicans who voted in favor of a doomed cloture would be allowed to vote that way IF IT MATTERED.

Third, any figuring of the math that includes Holy Joe is automatically suspect. Joe will vote the way Joe wants to vote. Include him in your count at your peril - at best we would have 59 and-a-quarter, if that. Add in the Blue Dogs, and 60 is still VERY far away.

Finally, "...If it was so bogus, there wouldn't be so much attention paid to it." ?!?! Are you freakin' serious? Hello. I'd like to introduce you to the American Media. You've obviously never heard of them, or you would know that the more bogus something is, the MORE attention they pay to it!

In fact, mark my words: if we get "the magic 60", the narrative will be all about how the heroic republicans, despite overwhelming odds, took on the Democratic Juggernaut and successfully blocked their overreaching liberal agenda! God bless America!!!

But, hey. I still want every Democratic Senator we can get. On that, the most important point, you and I are in 100% agreement. I'm just saying don't be so in love with the number 60 that you let Lieberman use it to blackmail the party into giving away the store.

60 "ain't all that".

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[Papagoose]

35. MN and AK are up to the vote counters

GA is still up to the voters - Jim Martin needs all our help. As a GA resident, I have a feeling that voter turnout is going to work in Saxby's favor, so we need to use every resource (people on the ground) available to overcome.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. Why Do You Feel That Way?

I would think the ground game and motivation would totally favor Martin. We also have far more financial resources than Saxby. Why do you think that the turnout would work in Saxby's favor?

I appreciate your overall message though. We need to work to win and we can. We need to mobilize the forces once again and not take this important race for granted. If we want it, we can win it. But we have to continue our hard work to get it.

[datasuspect]

48. GO TEAM GO!!!! RAH RAH RAH SIS BOOM BAH!!!!!!111

SHIT FUCK ASS LOUD NOISES!!!1111

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. I Bet It Eats You Up That Obama Won, Doesn't It.

GOBAMA!!!!!! Get over it!

[datasuspect]

54. yeah, it sure does

i voted camacho.

what will obama do about the burrito coverin shortage?

[Morrisons Ghost]

86. I dunno...

I preferred him in "The House of Representin!":rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

89. Wow, You're Some Kind Of Stalker LOL

I mean, this thread was wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back in the archives by now, and yet you felt the need to kick it 3 days later while contributing absolutely nothing? You're either a sockpuppet or a stalker, and either way really really useless.

Explain yourself sock puppet. :hi:

[Morrisons Ghost]

93. Was just reading.

The original topic interested me. I am also a big fan of the movie Idiocracy! Nothing more to it! Do I have your permission to continue reading and occasionally posting something....really really useless?:evilgrin:

[Morrisons Ghost]

94. Oh I also

Agree with your assessment up thread about the previously blocked legislation. I am however cautiously optimistic just because of Lieberman.... probably unjustified but there it is!

[Crabby Appleton]

70. Sorta - Joe Lieberman

[CLANG]

75. Unfortunately in that 60 is Joe Lieberman.

Also, Bernie Sanders, but he would never be in danger of betraying us like LIEberman did.

[CLANG]

76. If we want a filibuster free senate, we need to keep Smokin Joe happy.

[JohnnyCougar]

77. Marin has more money than Chambliss?

That's news to me. Last I heard, Chambliss was sitting on piles of cash and Martin was near broke. That was before the general election was over, though, so if Martin suddenly has an advantage, I'm inspired. Do you have a link to your source for that?

[Canuckistanian]

78. The Freeps can say goodbye to SC nominations

And lower court confirmations, too.

Not even filibusterable, if I may coin a word.

[codjh9]

80. And that is SUCH a comfort! Whoo-hoo!

[codjh9]

79. Just like w/the Prez race, I'll only believe it when I see it, but yeah, I think we have a chance!

And even if we 'only' end up with say, 58, it'll be pretty damned good!!!

[DireStrike]

83. Lieberman

He won't help with cloture.

[LSK]

84. Problem is Leiberman is #60

[SlowDownFast]

87. Fuck! Fuck! Fuckity, fuck!!!111 n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

88. Are You Like, Datasuspect's Sock Puppet Or Something? LOL

:hi:

[SlowDownFast]

92. No, I was just testing my new Obnoxious Detector-Responder software

here on DU, and the first thread/post it detected was this thread, as well as most of your previous threads/posts.

See, the program is designed to zero in on the Obnoxiousness of a thread/post (starting with the most obnoxious threads/posts) and auto-respond with the same Obnoxiousness. It's a program designed more for the user's amusement as opposed to some of your more practical programs like Bullshit Blocker™ or Anti-Asinine™.

Fortunately, I shut the software down before it crashed my PC (it was just about to respond to "Thank God It Passed"), as a result of detecting and attempting to respond to some 24,000+ posts authored by you.

Guess I'll have to download and try the other aforementioned products.

I mean, I could just use the ignore function here on DU, but that would be too easy.

[Spike89]

90. Why the freak out on Lieberman?

He really was important when we were trying to get the majority, because obviously the majority sets the rules, the plum committee assignments, etc. 60 does not open any of those important doors. As always, the vote count will include some republicans on certain issues, and a few democrats will defect. The key is to keep the narrative and ensure that the important legislation is "sold" so that if/when the republicans try to roadblock, it not only comes back to bite them, but there more moderate members consider voting with the publics preferences and the democratic majority.

We can kick Lieberman out of the caucus. He won't/can't vote against his long time positions (good or bad) without almost certainly ruining his chances for eventual reelection. We can treat him like any other "soft" republican.

[B Calm]

95. I really don't think 60 is enough. We have way too many DINO's!