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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:33 AM
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I'm confused about Norm Coleman - anyone from MN here?
I looked him up at Wikipedia and was surprised to find out he used to be a liberal Democrat. In the sixties he was anti-war and even attended Woodstock. That was long ago and people change, but in 1993 he was Democratic mayor of St. Paul. While running for mayor he wrote:

"Iam a lifelong Democrat. Some accuse me of being the fiscal conservative in this race — I plead guilty! I'm not afraid to be tight with your tax dollars.
Yet, my fiscal conservatism does not mean I am any less progressive in my Democratic ideals. From Bobby Kennedy to George McGovern to Warren Spannaus to Hubert Humphrey to Walter Mondale — my commitment to the great values of our party has remained solid."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_coleman

Then he switched parties in 1996, only three years later. Meanwhile, he chaired Wellstone's re-election campaign that same year.

Who is he?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:35 AM
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1. A sleazy opportunist with the soul of a used car salesman.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:38 AM
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2. He is a sleazy weasel with a massive ego and...
...

naked, calculating, ruthless political ambition



And he'll do anything to get where he wants... which is the top of the political heap.

He was a Democrat back in the days when the DFL owned Twin Cities politics, because being a Democrat was the only way to get elected to anything bigger than dog catcher. He jumped on the "Reagan Revolution" as soon as it became clear that there were cracks in the DFL ramparts, and hitched his wagon to that star.

He is just slightly below pond scum on the scale of organic life.

helpfully,
Bright
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:46 AM
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6. Thanks
I've seen people "cross over" before, but its like he had a total personality transplant. I guess "sleazy, calculating, ruthless, etc." would explain it.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:39 AM
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3. I speculate he became a Repub because the Repubs were the political winners then.
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 12:41 AM by Selatius
They had crushed the Democrats and swept them out the door in 1994. Both houses of Congress were now under Republican domination. Maybe he wanted to be on the winning side.

If he is in it to accumulate more power, then it made sense in those days for him to ingratiate himself with the winners on Capitol Hill. So, he left the Democratic Party.

Now, the Democrats are back in power, but he burned his bridge a long time ago. He cannot cross back to the side he once used to be on.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:44 AM
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4. I think he should be welcomed back into the Democratic Party if he wants it.
:puke:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:50 AM
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8. Look at Joe Lieberman
We can be a very forgiving party, though I think the whole Lieberman thing has some interesting back stories. I think Obama might take him to the wood shed and lay it all on the line!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:48 AM
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7. He definitely burned his bridges
Wonder if he has any regrets about that.

In 1993, he also said, "I have never sought any other political office. I have no other ambition other than to be mayor."
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:44 AM
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5. Darth Cheney asked Pawlenty NOT to run for Senate, wanted Coleman to run against Wellstone.
So Coleman was hand-picked for this job by Cheney.

How much sleazier can you get?

from Pawlenty's bio in Wiki:
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Pawlenty shifted his sights to the U.S. Senate but he abandoned those plans when Vice President Dick Cheney asked him to step aside to allow former St. Paul mayor Norm Coleman to challenge Senator Paul Wellstone without Republican primary opposition.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:53 AM
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9. Whoa, that is sleazy!
Coleman really did make a deal with the devil.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:01 AM
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10. They must have figured he would get the Dem votes as well as the repukes.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:01 AM
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11. Okay, here's a Norm the Weasel story for you...
...stop me if you've heard this one, I know I've told it here before.

Many years ago I was a delegate to our District DFL Convention. District is the first level of convention after you become a delegate at the neighborhood caucuses. District Convention selects delegates to the State Convention. Clear?

IOW, it's just one step up from a neighborhood potluck. With the usual DFL chaos and arguing thrown in.

But this is in St. Paul, where let's just say there isn't a lot of swank. It's a working class town and a working class neighborhood. Even the expensive neighborhoods operate with true Minnesota lack of ostentation ("So who do you think you are, then?"... Garrison Keillor did not make that up, he just jumped on it and used it.) At least it was, back then. We're talking mid-80s.

Weasel-boy had just started to turn right, but he was still technically a Democrat. He wanted to run for Mayor.

The Convention is at the neighborhood High School. In the auditorium. Caucuses meet in the gym and the library. This is on a Saturday in (I think) April. Cool, bright, pleasant. People show up in jeans and khakis and corduroy trousers, with plaid shirts, sweaters, denim shirts, etc. Maybe a very casual sport jacket or two, on the "official" types on stage. Most everybody knows everybody, St. Paul isn't a big city and the politically-active bunch socializes a lot.

District Convention goes more or less like this: Rules committee report, adoption of rules, platform committee report, adoption of platform resolutions, delegate selection for the State Convention. Minor floor fights break out all the time as various groups jockey for position but it's mostly friendly.

There's plenty of District Conventions scheduled for the same day, so we also get visits from candidates. When a candidate shows up and wants to yack at us, the order of the day gets suspended (as soon as the motion on the floor is decided,) and the candidate gets a crack. Most candidates show up looking like the people on the stage-- just slightly less casual than the rest of us schlubs. Enough so you can tell they made an effort to slick up the hair, shave, put on the clean shirt, etc. But no side. They arrive unobtrusively, tap the elbow of one of the committee folks, and let them know they'd like a crack at us whenever.

There are many, many breaks in the action while people re-group and suchlike. People wander in and out, hang out by the snack table, slide outside for a smoke break or fresh air, etc.

It's CASUAL, get it? Small town-ey.

So, here I am, about halfway through the morning. It's some platform resolution I'm not interested in, but it's very contentious and dragging on and on, so I wander out for some fresh air. Not many of us out there. I'm standing by the front doors of the High School, enjoying a little sunshine.

And then three big, dark sedans in a row pull up to the "no parking" area at the curb in front of the doors. Black, navy, something like that. In the Crown Vic, Mercury, low-end Lincoln range? Something like that. Pseudo-limos, anyway.

And a bunch of guys in SUITS pile out of the first two. SUITS! With TIES.

OK, this is the 1980s, they have what were then known as CAR PHONES. And Pagers. A couple of them head importantly into the High School.

Look, even the GOVERNOR didn't pull that crap back then. He'd have a nice car and a coupla aides, sure... but he'd be dressed like everyone else and he'd just get out and head in. No big deal.

A few minutes pass. The guys in suits come back out. They go up to the third car, the one that didn't open up. The door opens. Someone is on the car phone in there. Natter-natter.

Out comes Norm the Weasel, in a suit. Tie and all. Looking like the New Yawker he basically is, the carpetbagging sleazeball. (New York Democrats just laughed at him... he needed a smaller pond to get any attention, so he came to Minnesota.)

The other guys in suits surround him and they hold the door for him to go into the High School.

Me and a couple of other delegates are left standing out there with dropped jaws, like "What? Did we just see what we just saw?"

This was a guy with a serious case of pompous self-importance and he was barely past the low-level local office holding stage. He was already turning right, or "centrist", which played reasonably well in St. Paul, which is old-fashioned in many ways. Well, it was. Back then.

But I knew, watching that performance, that it would not be long before Norm the Weasel found his true spiritual home among the IRs, as they were then.

And I was right.

That's who Norm is.

That's why he NEVER should have gotten a crack at Paul Wellstone's Senate seat.

That's why I really, really, REALLY want to see him get his butt kicked clear back to the Empire State, where he can vanish into the milling horde of humanity and eventually find his true level, running a which-shell-hides-the-pea con game on a cheap and sleazy street corner.

helpfully,
Bright
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:15 AM
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14. Coleman
Wait a minute, I live in NY and we already have our fair share of creeps[Peter King}. So you got him, you keep him.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:25 AM
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15. awwwww, c'mon... you got so many he'll just vanish in the crowd!
Besides, you have WAY better toxic-waste handling infrastructure than a modest-size state like Minnesota.

Besides, you guys produced him in the first place.

Be nice, now.

wheedlingly,
Bright
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:02 AM
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17. You have my sympathy
Peter King is a mega creep!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:01 AM
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16. Great story
I have a pretty clear picture from that description.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:03 AM
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12. If Coleman discovered cannibals in his constituency
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 01:06 AM by FKA MNChimpH8R
he would deliver up fattened missionaries for their dinner feast. Caught fucking a goose, he would claim to be fluffing the bolster. He has exactly one principle in his tiny, reptilian brain: That which advances Norm Coleman is the only good. He is an ambulatory turd.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:06 AM
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18. So I take it
you don't care for him much either!

I have one more question for you guys. The reason I looked Coleman up on Wikipedia is when I saw him on TV recently he looked rather sickly and I was wondering him he had some chronic illness. I didn't find anything, but he really does look awful. Has he been ill?
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:11 AM
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13. We had a guy like that in OKlahoma
Wes Watkins. He switched parties whenever he thought it was politically advantageous to do so starting off as a democrat in the state senate and then Congress. He retired from Congress and lost the democratic governor primary, ran again 4 years later as an independent and lost and then decided he wanted his old congressional seat back and re-ran as a republican and won. He always seemed like a slick/slimy character.

TlalocW
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:07 AM
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19. Damn!
Well at least he was persistent, if not consistent!
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:14 AM
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20. who's your daddy?
Norm goes whichever way the wind blows. Now he is standing in a wind tunnel and pissing against the wind.
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