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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:22 AM
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Southern Baptists convene in Florida, celebrate their hateful agenda.
I have never made a secret that I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church. My parents were what are called pillars of the church. They are gone now, but they would be distressed at the way the church has gone. My father was picking up vibes of what was happening before he became too ill to be an active deacon and became Deacon Emeritus. He was distressed even then at what he was seeing.

Hubby and I left the church in 2003 when they supported the Iraq invasion from the pulpit. Nobody gave a damn when we left. They were on their course with Bush as the leader chosen by God.

They were meeting with the Florida Baptists this week, and they were so proud of how they helped ram through their hate agenda with Amendment 2. We had been rallying in opposition to laws that these churches have been trying to get passed. We stood in front of the church with signs on a Sunday morning. The pastor, Jay Dennis, mentioned in the article....sent out a motorcycle gang to win us over to Christ.

Southern Baptist convene to discuss future, boast of their hate agenda.

About 1,550 delegates, or "messengers," attended the Lakeland meeting, which was held at the sprawling First Baptist Church at the Mall. The convention, which got under way Monday evening and concluded Tuesday night, featured soul-searching and calls to action to combat membership trends that have lost ground against an expanding state population.

Speaking to change

Speakers made several references to the recent elections, especially expressing gratitude at the passage of an amendment to the state constitution limiting marriage to heterosexual couples. At the Florida Baptist State Convention four years ago, the Rev. Jay Dennis, pastor of First Baptist Church at the Mall, proposed a resolution urging passage of such an amendment. A petition drive to put the amendment on the ballot ensued soon after.

In September, the convention's State Board of Missions, which functions as its board of directors, authorized a $25,000 contribution to the Yes2Marriage campaign, which promoted the amendment. John Stemberger, an Orlando lawyer who headed Yes2Marriage, told messengers the convention is "the body most responsible" for passage of the amendment.

"There's no way we could have done this without Florida Baptists," he said.

The election of Barack Obama as president drew more guarded remarks. Speakers referred in general terms to a political climate less congenial to social conservative causes.

"We've heard a lot about change the last few weeks," Rice said on Monday. "I'm not speaking about any particular party. Both parties correctly judged the appetite of the American people for change. But sometimes the worst judgment of God is to give you exactly what you ask for."


The Florida Baptists did their job in getting this amendment through. And to the shame of Florida Democrats they really made little effort to fight back. Florida Democrats have an identity crisis.

Florida Baptists...what's next?

What's next is more of the same. Here is part of their agenda. Read their website carefully, as most Florida Republicans post there to pander to them.

Florida Baptists can be thankful that Amendment 2, the Florida Marriage Protection Amendment, has passed.

Now what?

A constitutional amendment will not, in and of itself, strengthen marriages and families. Marriages in 2008, both new and established, must survive in the divorce culture that exists today. That culture also is prevalent in the church as Christian couples divorce at a rate comparable to nonbelievers and see their own adult children cohabitate with others.

Now what? Now is the time for Florida Baptist churches to cultivate God’s view, the biblical plan for marriage and family.


One paragraph really stuck out because it is pure indoctrination in hate and bigotry.

) Encourage parents to be sensitive to teachable moments and have meaningful, age-appropriate conversations with their children about God’s plan for marriage and family.

Discussion of Amendment 2 can facilitate conversation on what the Bible says about homosexuality, grace and forgiveness.

Children need assurances from parents that their marriage and family will endure for life. Seeing the marriages of their friend’s parents dissolve, children from Christian homes need guarantees that their own parents are committed to Biblical marriage for life.


There has been nothing to counteract their rhetoric since the opposition party, the Democrats, are fearful to take them on.

It is not that hard to talk to people here about it. We had two people ask us about the amendment. We talked to them on the premise of why did they think their church emails were saying to hurt another group of people so badly. We asked them why they would want to judge and deprive others of their rights.

Both listened, and were surprised to hear it put that simply. One later called to say he voted against it after that.

I often call myself a recovering Southern Baptist..because I am not over it yet. They anger me in their bigotry. I know these people, so many of them. I once taught the president of the Southern Baptist Seminary. I hate that he is teaching seminary students that women have few rights, that birth control is wrong, and is preaching bigotry against gays. It hurts more because I know so many of them from my church years and teaching.

It's sad they are proud of their bigotry.





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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:28 AM
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1. They're the next ones we go after
once we've vanquished the Mormons and the Catholics
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:30 AM
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2. This Church at the Mall joined with the Catholics on this issue.
And that church in Coral Ridge joined them as well. All the good Christians.
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 01:32 AM
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3. Don't you mean
KKKristians?
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:33 AM
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30. Remember the KKK hates GLBT people, too.
So do the Nazis/Neo-Nazis. And they all try to hide it with Christianity.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:47 AM
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4. In NC Southern Baptists are cutting ties to the more moderate Cooperative Baptist group.
http://www.wbt.com/news/details.cfm?article_id=44346

"North Carolina's largest Baptist organization is continuing to shore up its conservative core as members cut ties with a more liberal group that is willing to partner with gay-friendly churches.

Delegates to the 2008 Baptist State Convention in Greensboro voted Wednesday to remove the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship from a list of giving options for mission work, the Greensboro News Record reported. Member churches had the option of earmarking money for the fellowship as part of their annual gift to the convention.

The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship was established as an alternative to the conservative Southern Baptist Convention. The group does not support the belief that the Bible is entirely without error, and the cooperative is willing to partner with churches that put gays into leadership roles.

``Liberal theology will lead to liberal morality,'' said Matt Williamson, pastor of Oak Forest Baptist Church in Fletcher, who offered the proposal"


Southern Baptists are some money problems.

"The convention is facing a decline in contributions.

In September, Executive Director-Treasurer John Sullivan reported to the State Board of Missions, the convention's executive committee, that the convention has a shortfall of more than $562,000 for its 2008 budget year, according to the Florida Baptist Witness newspaper.

Sullivan attributed the shortfall to the financial difficulties of local churches and said the convention's leadership, based in Jacksonville, would face "hard decisions" about its programs and staff.

Messengers will be asked to approve a $39.1 million budget for 2009, which represents a decrease of 0.8 percent from 2008."


They blame it on the economy, but I wonder. Their membership is stagnant.


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ShenandoahAspen Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:37 PM
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17. The church I go to is a member of both the SBC and the CBF.
I'm hoping, if my church is forced to chose between the two, that they chose the CBF. Them being partnered with the CBF is the reason I joined the church in the first place. The SBC is full of bigots and I want NO part of that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:02 PM
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5. Didn't the Southern Baptists do the same as the the Mormons?
Being heavily involved in pushing these amendments through the church? I think they should be equally condemned. Florida is one of their strongholds, and they were major in pushing this amendment 2. The churches sent memos.

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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:52 PM
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6. SBC
I too was raised in the atmosphere of the SBC. It took decades to cleanse myself of the dogma. I know of where you speak. I can say however that I have totally moved beyond their influence. I am a non-theist at this point and have never lived my life so freely and happily. It's great not to have that burden to carry about. The mission now is to stand up for and support those they seek to harm.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:02 PM
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7. Good points. They are as guilty of oppression as the Mormons are.
They need to be mentioned also.

It's a hard thing to be free of, that atmosphere. But I am now. I can drive by the church I grew up in, and the one my father helped to found....and I feel nothing for those churches at all. I feel relief mostly that I am no longer part of it..
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:13 PM
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8. Nobody wanted to believe us in the months and weeks prior to the election.
I had no idea before then the effect it would have on Amendment 2, but I did know how they were talking about the presidential election, and there was no difference between politics and religion on the matter.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:47 PM
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11. They are being given a pass for their fight for Amendment 2
while the Mormon church is being attacked. Amendment 2 is much more restrictive than Prop 8, I believe.

SBC should not be given a pass on this.

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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:18 PM
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9. never completely understood the diff between American and Southern.
Mom was babtized American Babtist. ie not as a baby, but probably in her early teens. I'm sure if she could still find a proper real american babtist, she'd join. But it's difficult to find out if it's one or the other until one visits the church. She never liked Southern Babtists.

Above kinda reminds me of Lutheran's and Missouri Synod vs Wisconsin Synod. Missouri I think allowed gays at some point. although that wasn't enforced because one of the strictest Pastors I knew, was the one I was confirmed with. And having a fight last year over email over Ann Coulter, he's still quite extreme. And he's Missouri Synod. I stayed with WELS until moving to Iowa. There isn't any in Iowa. There is the ELS, but not quite the same.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:06 PM
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10. Not sure about American Baptists. I just know SBs are a world apart
from others.

They were used by the likes of Falwell and Robertson a couple of decades ago to push their agendas.

Only it took a while to catch on what was happening.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:48 PM
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26. SLAVERY...
when the American Baptist church assumed an abolitionist stance, the cracker monsters formed their own clubhouse of hate
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:29 PM
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12. the 1st baptist church motorcycle jesus freaks showed up at my house to pray for me a few years ago
I was like, "wtf?"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:37 PM
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13. It's very weird how it feels to be confronted by them.
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 06:47 PM by madfloridian
I did have the picture, but can not find it to save my life now. It's somewhere on my hard drive.

They were not threatening, but they were so arrogant...assuming we were not Christian because we did not believe in taking rights away.

They roared out from behind the building...while church services were going on. There was a large crowd of gays and those of us weren't but who were there in support. Inside we heard later Pastor Dennis was praying for our souls.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:37 PM
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38. Where did they get the idea of using a motorcycle gang anyway?
I have often wondered about that.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:34 AM
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43. at least a couple i've run into are also motorcycle cops ...
... or cops who wanna be motorcycle cops. then there is one guy on a scooter.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:23 PM
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44. That would not surprise me.
Not one bit. Or Grady Judd's deputies. :eyes:
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:51 PM
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14. "Sometimes the worst judgment of God is to give you exactly what you ask for."
After giving us you hateful bastids, it can't get much worse.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:43 PM
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39. Wasn't that a strange statement?
And scary.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:56 PM
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15. They are crazy and scared - a dangerous combo
These are sick people, the true lunatic fringe. I do feel for them as there will come a time when they will have to face their hate and it will shock them and dismay them that they were so cruel, and all in the name of religion, not their leader Christ but a hateful doctrine enabled by the insane.




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 08:16 PM
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19. And their funds are getting low now.
So they will take money from people who go on crusades against other groups.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 08:42 PM
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20. I worry what some of the nuttier nutcases might do
since we libruls denied them of their right to be ruled by a fire-baptized thumper who starts wars based on what Jesus tells him in his sleep. I hope we're not in for a new round of clinic bombings or other idiocy.
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hangman86 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:33 PM
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16. Is there any lower form of life
than dedicating yourself to a hateful political agenda in the name of God.

I'm open to suggestions.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:12 PM
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21. No, there isn't.
A lot of sad things have been done in the name of God.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:39 PM
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18. I wonder if one will get caught trying to pick up a same-sex hooker
like the one did a few years ago, and it turned out to be an undercover cop! WHOOPS!

These judgmental freaks are a joke - they're dwindling in numbers thankfully. They bring attempted shame to my faith in Christ, but nothing they can do hurts God, obviously, but they hurt their church, and hey - if they're hateful, let 'em fall down HARD.

Many different Yes We Did items in the Obama/Biden section www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:30 PM
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22. As a born and raised, and now thankfully, ESCAPED-Southern Baptist
I can assure you that all these people are doing is being . . . well, Southern Baptists.

This is the same bigoted bullshit they pulled when the civil rights movement was in full swing in the early 60's. Never mind Jesus' admonition to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", more than half of the congregation of my family's church said they would leave the church if a n****r ever attended their services. That was the final straw for me even though I did accede to my parent's requirements to attend church until I finally got a reprieve by going away to college.

These people are small-minded haters who are scared to death of anything other than what they and their ignorant friends consider "normal".


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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:59 PM
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23. These people are a plague and need to be watched and countered
or our return from fascism this last eight years will come back big time in 2012.

Groups like this need to be registered as racist, hate groups and infiltrated
and monitored by the FBI. Tax status needs to revoked and measures taken to keep these
folks under control, or they will destroy the country. We've seen how close they
came over the last eight years. The patriot act can be used to classify groups
like this as acting against America.

I would never have come to this conclusion, had I not moved to the South 20 years
ago and seen how these people operate, and observed the last eight years.

Call me a person who 'got religion' and never wants to see these groups have any
national, political power again.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:42 PM
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24. Read this FB website page. Did they or did they not advocate for McCain?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:46 PM
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25. Where is their god now?
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 10:49 PM by mitchum
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:27 AM
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29. Good question. I was raised to think we had a loving God.
:shrug:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:58 PM
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27. My late granddad was a Southern Baptist preacher
He died in 1994, as the Clinton era was getting underway. My granddad absolutely despised war. Always railed about how senseless it was, and he was consistent with this belief. He was very conservative, no mistake about that, but he voted person before party, and could not vote for Bush Sr. in '92. I have no doubt in my mind that he would loathe Bush II and his war too.

I am not sure he would have left the church, however. He was too much the Tennessee contrarian. I couldn't see him taking marching orders from the Convention no matter what.

But I can see why you left the church. Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter did too, for similar reasons.

(sidenote: my grandmother - his widow - voted for Gore in 2000, and smacked down one of her fellow congregation members who said "you can't be a real Christian if you didn't vote for Bush". So I am sure there are other dissenters still in the ranks).
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:01 PM
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28. I too was raised in a Southern Baptist family from Tennessee
I left the church for the same reason you did. Most of my adult years that I attended the Baptist church were here in the East. It is indeed not the same. But when the Baptist Church came out in support of preemptive war just prior to Bush*s attack on Iraq, I could take no more. I announced to my entire family, even the Ministers, that I was leaving the Church because it had become too involved in politics, a subject it knew nothing about.

I personally think people who go to church do so for food for the soul. Any church that becomes involved in politics runs the huge risk of destroying its congregation.

Unfortunately, the second church I decided to look into, it appears is just as bad. I won't name it. I consider myself to be very ethical, but, despite everything I have written above, I live by those principles I learned in the Baptist Church as a child. Those are not the principles the Church itself observes today. In an ironic twist, the Baptist Church has become one of the things it reviles the most, a hypocrite.

Sam
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:03 AM
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31. First Baptist Church of Summerfield, Fl, myself
Of course, I left the church a few decades before you and it was still a Democratic stronghold back then, though I had no idea what a Dixiecrat was back then.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:59 AM
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32. I, too, am a recovering Southern Baptist...
...Other than an aunt and an uncle, the rest of my family is still completely immersed in it.

They stood for slavery when the crucial moment arose. They did the same with Jim Crow and only took the most tentative of steps toward enlightenment when MLK was killed.

I went to the Website of the church in which I was raised a couple of years ago and it repulsed me. They were mixing nationalism with our teachings when I was a kid but it's even more egregious now, holding jingoistic rallies in the church that mix religious symbols with militaristic ones, men in full gear rappelling from the balcony and pre-school children dressed in jungle gear with camouflage.

The maternal side of my family especially holds that dear and it can make for some regrettably uncomfortable gatherings. Nothing like feeling like a pariah in your own family.
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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:05 AM
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35. Comparisons
I find your representations fascinating. My background is as a social anthropologist and I have witnessed many of the same conclusions that you noted. Nationalism and patriotism are no more than the expressions of a civil religion. I had noted that I am leary of theological dogma, and as a result, I have arrived at the same place relative to civil theocracy. In the small community where I live I witness the meshing of the two all the time. This morning the local SBC church on Main Street had a message about Veterans Day on its marquee and a plethora of small American flags arranged all around it stuck into the ground. Its a very strange mix. The message is always that if you do not fall into line "...you ain't Uh-Merican!" What a bizarre world!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:09 AM
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36. Flags overtook our church and our community in 2003.
The churches gave out yard signs about supporting the president and supporting the war. There was nearly always a flag near the sign.

They called us unpatriotic when we questioned the war, the church that is.

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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:17 AM
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34. These Florida Baptists are un-American
Their disdain for the U.S Constitution is clear.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:29 PM
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40. They are not respectful of the rights of others.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:28 AM
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37. Found some articles about Jimmy Carter's leaving the church in 2000
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/baptist_SBC_Carter.html

""In my opinion, leaders of the SBC have become increasingly demanding in the specificity of their creed," he said. "I think there ought to be the ability for Baptists who have slightly different commitments to Christianity to get along, work together and love each other. ... I have always felt and feel very deeply that the ultimate interpreter of scripture is Jesus Christ."

Carter said he believes biblical passages concerning women have been taken out of context by Southern Baptist leaders.

"I'm familiar with the verses they have quoted about wives being subjugated to their husbands," he said. "In my opinion, this is a distortion of the meaning of Scripture. ... I personally feel the Bible says all people are equal in the eyes of God. I personally feel that women should play an absolutely equal role in service of Christ in the church."

The former president, whose evangelical Christianity gained national attention during his successful run for the White House in 1976, said he will continue to serve as a deacon and Sunday school teacher at Maranatha Baptist Church in his hometown, Plains. He said he and Rosalynn will associate with Baptist groups "who share such beliefs as separation of church and state ... a free religious press, and equality of women."

Carter said he hopes a letter presenting his views will go out to Baptist churches in Georgia before the Georgia Baptist Convention convenes in Savannah next month, when delegates, called messengers, will be asked to ratify the Baptist Faith and Message. Carter's statement is being mailed to 75,000 Baptists across the nation by the moderate group Texas Baptists Committed.

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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:29 PM
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41. Oh Goody... Just what Florida needs.. more Whack-Job Wing Nuts...
..It's not like we don't have enough Gray-Panther, Condo-Commando Senior Citizen Republicans who oppose everything except Depends and Lawrence Welk Music.. now we gotta have Baptist's on a crusade...... spare me....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:06 AM
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42. Now WV Southern Baptists will try the same thing.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/baptists-press-marriage-amendment-wv

"After last week's election, the Christian Coalition announced that one of its primary goals for the short-term future was seeing that the 20 states that do not currently ban gays from getting married do so and that those states that do allow marriage put an end to the practice.

Presumably, the first step in that battle will take place in West Virginia. The Family Policy Council of West Virginia is already threatening the Governor that if he doesn't call a special legislative session to put an amendment on the ballot, he'll face the wrath of the voters and now the West Virginia Convention of Southern Baptists has joined the call:

The resolution, adopted at the 38th meeting of the West Virginia Convention of Southern Baptists, passed unanimously.

"As citizens of West Virginia, we avail ourselves of the opportunity to affirm the historic, legal, and reasonable definition of marriage by supporting and promoting a marriage amendment to the state constitution," the resolution states. "... e will strongly encourage Christians throughout West Virginia to engage in the civic process in defense of marriage and in support of the government's leadership in defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman (Romans 13)."

They gone so far to the right, they have lost their way. They want control and power.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 06:15 PM
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45. They are as guilty of bigotry as the Mormons.
But they are being pretty much ignored.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 06:30 PM
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46. They do seem to be obsessed with "teh gay"
It's too bad they've lost touch with Christ's ACTUAL teachings.

I suspect that Christ himself would have been turned out of their little convention for being too "broad-minded" if he came back today
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:25 PM
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47. Southern Baptists of Texas urge Obama to stop abortions.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/6113109.html

They have the most narrow agendas, the most restrictive views, they appear to have no love for their fellow man anymore.

Just on a power trip against gays and women's rights.
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