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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:24 AM
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Are you a student who depends on student loans? Get ready to take a semester off.
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 10:35 AM by HamdenRice
Since the liberal blogosphere is all a twitter about Hank "Uncle Fester" Paulson's appallingly opaque and nervous performance yesterday and his hint that bailout money will be used for "credit card companies" and "student loan companies" I've started writing an analytical piece about what he was trying to get across.

The message, folks, is grim.

But my take on the full meaning of what happened yesterday will have to wait till this afternoon. In the meantime, though, here's an excerpt from it that pertains to those of you who need student loans to get through the next semester or two:

As the first wave of the mortgage backed security crisis swept the country, the general public learned what mostly only people in finance knew: that for the last several decades, when consumers bought houses and took out loans from banks or mortgage companies, those banks or mortgage companies almost always sold those loans to Wall Street investment firms, which in turn, pooled and sold those mortgages to giant trusts, which in turn sold “shares” of those pools of mortgages to the public, but mostly to other financial firms, banks, pension funds and institutional investors. Those “shares” weren’t shares, however, because they weren’t like stocks; they were more like bonds – that is they were debt instruments. They were called “mortgage backed securities.”

Now that there is a crisis in the consumer market we have to learn that lesson all over again: When you get a credit card and use it, and maintain a balance of debt to a Mastercard affiliate, that company does not keep your debt. As with mortgages, your debt, which is called a “credit card receivable,” is sold to Wall Street, pooled and sold to a giant trust, which sells debt instruments to the same market it sells mortgage backed securities to. These securities are called “credit card receivable backed securities.”

...

And when you take out a student loan, that loan is also packaged and sold, and “student loan backed securities” are issued to the same market.

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What all of this means to us as consumers, is that the companies that you think have money to lend you – for credit cards, car loans and student loans – don’t. They are basically borrowing it themselves through the asset backed security market, although “they” are not liable for the debt because they’ve offloaded that debt to an independent trust.

Which also means that if car lenders, credit card companies and student loan lenders cannot “borrow” from the asset backed securities market, then they can’t make car loans, can’t make student loans, and can’t issue credit cards or let you increase the amount of your credit card debt.

...

This summary by the Washington Post actually made me nauseous this morning and I thought I was going to throw up my coffee on my keyboard:

“The market that provides private student loans is in particularly bad shape. Since late last year, no lender has been able to raise money for loans by selling them to investors. Instead, these lenders have relied on traditional sources of finance, such as banks. But in the past few months, those wells dried up, too.”

Let’s repeat that and let it sink in: Not a single student loan company was able to sell student loan securities since late last year. As a result, they are running out of money. There will be no money for student loans.

Combine this with a paragraph from the dire email message that the richest university in the country, Harvard, sent out yesterday to all faculty, staff, students and alumni:

“But given the breadth and the depth of the present downturn, even well-diversified portfolios are experiencing major losses. Moody's, a leading financial research and ratings service, recently projected a 30 percent decline in the value of college and university endowments in the current fiscal year. While we can hope that markets will improve, we need to be prepared to absorb unprecedented endowment losses and plan for a period of greater financial constraint.”

Now I realize that communications coming out of Cambridge are about as straightforward as communications that came out of the Kremlin during the Brezhnev era, but I have to wonder whether Harvard is talking about those other folks' colleges losing 30 percent of their endowment? Or could they be hinting that Harvard, one of the biggest investors in hedge funds in the country -- including hedge funds that have taken massive hits -- might be getting ready to "majorly" take a hit.

And nationwide, if Harvard is right, and endowments shrink by 30 percent while student loans for Junior and Sissy dry up completely, while Mom and Dad’s college investment fund has been ravaged by the 30-40 percent stock market drop – well, all I can say is there are going to be a lot of bearded guys in a community near you holding signs that say: “Will Deconstruct White Male Patriarchy for Food.”



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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:28 AM
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1. We are so fucked. nt
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:29 AM
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2. Oh well...there's no jobs for them when they graduate anyways
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:34 AM
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3. Thanks for this timely information.... All I can mutter these last
few days is bag of hammers. These bottom feeders are walking away with their golden parachutes, our retirement, my kids student loans, and the real national securtiy in this country. So glad our elected officials continue to take care of Corporation of America.
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:44 AM
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5. They're still walking away with their large bonuses and over the top retirement packages too
You see our wonderful politicians (on both sides) who helped write and then voted for the bailouts didn't forget who their real friends are. They left a wide window of opportunity for current CEOs and upper management to go ahead and cash out early, go ahead and take their $10 million plus bonuses and their $20 million retirement packages, just do it before the rules about bonuses and golden parachutes (that they put in just for appearances) goes into effect.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:37 AM
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4. In AIG/Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac terms, Sallie Mae would be a much smaller rescue...
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While Sallie Mae said it was able to sell $6.7 billion in federal student loans by packaging them into securities, it has not completed a similar such deal for private loans since last year. However, it has been able to sell $3.6 billion of the federally backed loans to the U.S. Department of Education under the government purchase program.

Overall, student loan originations made by Sallie Mae declined in the third quarter, to $7.7 billion from $8.9 billion in the same period of 2007. The company said the decrease was driven, in part, by tightening underwriting criteria for private loans.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/22/AR2008102203368.html
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:50 AM
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6. A few interesting questions
Note that Sallie was able to finance operations by selling to the DoEd, which is, in essence, a fed bailout.

Also, do you know whether, since the privatization craze, Sallie continues to be the major player? I thought it's share of the market has shrunk. I don't know what percentage of student loans are financed by Sallie, but the WaPo article suggests "several" student loan lenders can't sell asset backed securities.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:45 AM
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13. Don't know, but in terms of $$ size / priority, it seems that keeping higher ed alive...
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 11:45 AM by Junkdrawer
is a no-brainer - pun intended.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:55 AM
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7. Oh, no...DO NOT take a semester off if you have a ton of student loans
With a lot of them, being out of school for more than 6 months or so triggers the repayment schedule. You can end up using up your 'grace period' (if they still have those), and then you end up getting slammed with payments while you are still trying to take classes (or immediately after you graduate, instead of having a grace period first).

The same is true of trying to go part time. You usually need to take a minimum number of credits to avoid triggering the repayment schedule.

Been there, done that.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:00 AM
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8. Just curious (not being pedantic)
Do you think that triggering the repayment schedule is an intended OR unintended consequence of this?
If I had to bet...I would bet intended.
Those loans coming due with interests and penalties glommed on...another republican wet dream at the expense of the working class Americans.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:04 AM
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9. I know that student loans have to be one of the most safest loans to provide
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can get a person out of the burden of paying them back. Not bankruptcy, I bet not even death (they'd take it out of your 'estate', such as it is).

About the only thing that can hold them off is staying in school with a full load of classes. But if you can't stay in school anymore...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:08 AM
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10. Yep. The IRS will take your money
your state will hold your professional licenses...you are 100% correct...they are VERY SAFE.
But you can't make EXTRA money off of being safe now, can you?
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:23 AM
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11. You get a deferrment if you go back to school, just fill out the form
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:25 AM
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12. *IF*
That's a pretty big word these days.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:58 AM
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15. But how can a person afford to go back to school if they can't get *another* student loan?
That's the rub...if there are no more loans available, you probably can't stay in school (or go back to school) and you have to start paying them back.

In an environment like this, it's pretty easy find yourself without a degree and with a bunch of loans to pay back right away.


Hey now better make a decision
Be a moron and keep your position
You wanna know now all your education
Won't help you no how

You're gonna wind up workin' in a gas station
Wind up working in a gas station
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Wind up workin' in a gas station
-- Frank Zappa

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:18 PM
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18. I think the point is that some may not have a choice....
It's one of the many disturbing things that distinguishes a credit crisis from an "ordinary" stock market crash and recession.
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 11:49 AM
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14. Will this affect Stafford loans?
Or just private loans?
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:13 PM
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16. When i graduated HS in 84 ..east boston Umana


One single scholarship was available to the entire technical school .. a very limited tiny one to MIT

Despite being a whiz at electronics... I joined the Army. Only hope I had. They went back on their deal too. Promising 8 months of electronics training ..only to give two weeks of stuff I already knew.

Then it was ..pick up this book and follow whatever it says to fix the Cobra weapon systems. No more thinking needed.

BTW I graduated top of my class... multiple choice questions with an open book made it quite easy.

I do not like to swear on DU ..but a big fu to Harvard. They are complicit in this mess. They take in rich kids and graduate idiots.

That is why you see these big companies make enormously stupid decisions .. like Ebay .. they drove all there sales people elsewhere because of pure greed. Or Gm ..still pumping out Hummers .. no interest in hybrids. "Americans want big cars " blah blah while Prious demand climbed up so far there was a waiting list...you stupid fools.

Stop hiring the idiot sons of the rich.







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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:02 PM
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17. K&R so others may see this.
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