BEAUTIFUL photo of Dennis and Elizabeth Kucinich!

[gateley]

[dana_b]

1. wow!!

she's gorgeous! I've seen her before but not a close-up picture. Very nice shot and they look very happy.

[NNadir]

2. A beautiful picture of Kevin Federline and Brittney Spears.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

3. Who?

[NNadir]

5. That's what I was going to say when I saw the OP.

[iamthebandfanman]

6. your vision of beauty

is truly distorted ;)

[Breeze54]

13. The crack in you ASS is showing... pull your pants up

over your head. :silly:

[NNadir]

24. OK, but you ain't gonna like it...

I always thought Kevin was a beautiful man, until of course, we got married in California, making the state safe for family values.

[Cleita]

4. I saw them in person and close up back when Dennis was campaigning for

President. She is truly stunning and very tall and willowy. Dennis is shorter and very slim and they walked hand in hand together. I felt such love coming from them and I almost wanted to do a painting about it if I only knew how.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. Big difference in age. I've never understood the need for men to marry women that much younger

What's up with that?

[Breeze54]

8. Did you ever consider that ... she chose him?!

She did. That's a fact.

Yikes!

I'm surprised at you, Sarah Ibarruri !

How sexist of you! :wow:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. If he's got money. Otherwise..... no.

Seriously. How many males do you see going after older women, unless it's for money? Let's be real.

However, I will say this:


WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Breeze54]

18. Elizabeth Harper earned a certificate in Peace Studies and graduated with a BA in Religious Studies.

In 2003, Kucinich was the recipient of the Gandhi Peace Award, an annual award bestowed
by the Religious Society of Friends-affiliated organization Promoting Enduring Peace.

......................

Elizabeth Harper, she was brought up in North Ockendon in the London Borough of Havering. In 1996 she went to Agra, India, to volunteer at one of Mother Teresa's homes for India's poorest children.<1> Upon earning her bachelor's and master's degrees at the University of Kent at Canterbury, she spent 16 months in a rural Tanzanian village and worked as an advocate for regional development.<1>

After leaving Tanzania, she volunteered with a British Red Cross refugee unit; earned a certificate in Peace Studies from Coventry University; and got a job as a fund-raiser for a seafarer's charity in London.<1> Her volunteer work often brought her to the House of Lords.<1> At that time she heard financial analyst Stephen Zarlenga speak about monetary reform. She was impressed and soon was hired to become Zarlenga's assistant at the Chicago-based American Monetary Institute.<1> That work took her and Zarlenga to Dennis Kucinich's office.<1>

She married Dennis Kucinich in 2005, in his hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. The Sunday Times noted that one of her heroines is Diana, Princess of Wales, partly for her bringing "compassion back into public life".<2> Like her husband Dennis, Elizabeth is also a vegan.<3><4>

Education

She attended Coopers' Company and Coborn School located in Upminster, Essex, from 1989 to 1996.

She studied at the University of Kent at Canterbury in the United Kingdom from 1997 to 2001 and graduated with a BA in Religious Studies and Theology and a Master's degree in International Conflict Analysis. Her thesis for her master's was on "Conflict Resolution in World Politics".

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. whoopteedoo! And he's an old man and there's an excess of women his age around....

but he just COULDN'T FIND ANY, right? Uhuh!

[Breeze54]

27. What is life like for you that you think everything is based on how people look?

You sound very jealous. That's a shame... for you. :(

I hope you find a friend, love, a soul mate.

You seem to have a need to get l**d.

I hope that happens for you.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

35. Apparently for Kucinich it is! He picked someone younger. Where was he living at the time?

A town where only younger people were permitted to live? Poor baby. He couldn't find someone his age anywhere at all!

[1monster]

80. One of the happiest marriages I have even witnessed was between a middled aged woman

and her son's best friend. He was the same age as her son.

I knew them for about ten or so years before our lives began moving in different directions and we drifted apart.

When soul mates meet, age is not really a factor. It was rather amusing to watch how my friends looks changed over those ten years. He, deeply resenting it when people assumed that he was her son rather than her husband, began looking more and more mature till in his mid thirties, he looked like mid forties and her aging process seemed to slow to almost none at all.

The last time I saw them, they both looked like they were in their mid forties, contemporaries rather than a March/September (as aposed to a May/December) relationship.

They were both very happy with each other. Similar age is not the be all and end all in a relationship. Sometimes huge age differences and life experiences are insurmoutable and the relationship founders.

But, when both parties are intelligent, well-educated, and share similar values and interests, age is not a big factor.

[underseasurveyor]

57. Heh

Right on Breeze. An astute obsevation my dear /fistbump

[arikara]

82. Sometimes it just isn't about any ulterior motives

Back when I was a paramedic, I took an older, dying man to the hospital accompanied by his very much younger wife. She was resigned to his passing, and confided on the way to the hospital that when they first married she thought she would be a lucky woman even if she could spend 5 years with him. It turned out that they'd had 20 good years together and she was grateful for every single one.

You see, she loved him. It had nothing to do with money, age or anything other than love. From what I've read about the Kucinich's its the very same thing for them.

[JackRiddler]

103. Excuse me, but what are you saying here?

Two people choose each other. Certainly that appears to have happened in this case. (Your implied idea that he chose her and she didn't choose him equally is dubious, and should lead you to reconsider your own unspoken assumptions about a young woman's agency.)

So. Should they instead make the decision based on what message you think it sends about how a general demographic category is going to be viewed by others?

If they're in love, should they break it off because you find the age difference too great, be lonely, and hope to perhaps one day find someone they love who fits into your designated age bracket? Would that allow for up to five years diufference? Ten years? Two years?! Same graduation year in school, perhaps?

I speak as a man who has happened to always go out with women his own age, by the way.

[lildreamer316]

60. Are you kidding? His brain and soul are enough of a turn-on; that his age does not matter!!

If I were single and qualified; I would have married him at her age.
He's a great man.
Brains make me horny, though. And I'm a stripper by trade career.

[underseasurveyor]

66. They live in an extremely modest and humble home.

They have no gardeners or housekeepers or anything like that. They drive an old american model car, they both take turns mowing the lawn and picking up dog poo from their three rescued dogs. They have a no kill policy in their home which means no bugs or spiders and the like are ever killed in their house beit with pesticides or the bottom of a shoe.

If she wanted to marry for money she would have picked someone that actually has money. Remember he takes no monies from any lobbyist or special interest. Dennis is by no means a rich man as defined by dollars. However he is one of the richest people I know in heart, in soul and in spirit.

What TF seems to be your personal problem anyway:shrug: *Bitterman, party of one, your table is ready*

[Cleita]

32. I married a man 13 years older than me.

He was my soulmate. My present employer is dating a woman 15 years older than him. They fit each other like hand and glove. Remember the consenting adults thing?

[underseasurveyor]

59. My husband was 17 years 6 months and 1 day older than me

But who's counting :-) He was a very special man and I miss him.

And before miss sarah asks if we're still married or not.. he died of cancer.
So sarah put that in your little statistical notes.

[codjh9]

74. Yeah, I read that they met, and she was completely enthralled by the fact that their views

were exactly the same, and as you say, SHE chose him... so this 'old guys shallowly choosing younger women' thing isn't true here.

[Fireweed247]

78. When she 'just knew' Elizabeth knew nothing of his politics

It was 'love at first sight' then she found out his views on life. That is what I find unbelievable myself. Why would she be looking at an older guy like that at all? It makes more sense if she fell in love with who he is as a person first.

[AnOhioan]

12. I never understood the need for some folks here at DU......

to be close-minded.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. Close minded why? It's close minded that some males want to keep believing they're 18 by going...

... after younger women. Don't you agree?

[AnOhioan]

15. Close minded in the sense that you obviously believe....

that age matters where matters of the heart are concerned. Who the hell cares if she is younger than he is? I would say that same thing if a younger guy was married to an older woman. Age is nothing more than a state of mind. If they love and care for each other, that is enough for them and enough for me.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. The numbers of males that go hunting for younger women, compared to women....

are so huge they're legendary. I think it's infantile behavior, that's all. Very infantile.

[AnOhioan]

17. You are entitled to your opinion

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. Of course I am. I'm also entitled to read stats, research and have eyeballs to see :) nt

[AnOhioan]

22. And your point would be?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. That old men that take up with younger women are infantile and want to feel 18 again when they're

NOT 18.

[AnOhioan]

26. That would be an opinion....

I have an opinion for you as well....Dennis and Elizabeth are extremely lucky to have found each other.

Dennis is not infantile nor does he want to be 18 again. Dennis fell in love with a woman who fell in love with him.

Most people celebrate love, then are are those that take out the calculator and make sure the ages are close enough to be meet their definition of acceptable.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

34. Yeah whatever. It's not a new story. Same old thing about the old geezer and someone younger

Nothing new under the sun is there?

[AnOhioan]

36. Nope, nothing new....you are still close minded

[Sarah Ibarruri]

39. Nope. I'm telling the truth about him and it pisses you off. Too bad so sad. nt

[AnOhioan]

40. Your attitude does not piss me off....

It actually makes me feel sorry for you.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

41. What is it they call it? The "trophy wife" thingie? nt

[AnOhioan]

43. I hope you find some happiness and acceptance at some point

[Sarah Ibarruri]

45. Awwww poor baby. You know, in my country they have a saying....

"You can't cover the sun with one finger." Meaning: "You can try to bs me, but the truth is too BIG." :-P

Again, he did the TROPHY WIFE thingie, that's exactly what he did.

[AnOhioan]

46. Your opinion, nothing more.

Have a great night...I gotta work in the morning.

[diane in sf]

62. You might enjoy getting together with NNNNNadir

[eridani]

67. He's nowhere near rich enough to qualify for trophy wife hunter

By appearance, he looks to be about 10 years older than she is. Not a surprise, given that when he was 30 people kept mistaking him for a newsboy.

[underseasurveyor]

56. But your "eyeballs" have never personally laid eyes on Dennis or Elizabeth

So you don't know them at all.. And Yes as a personal friend of theirs, they come stay with us FOR DAYS at a time so I do know them quite well thank you very much, I can definitely say you are SO WRONG about Dennis wanting to feel younger by marrying a much younger woman. Your little stats don't apply in this case so you can put them away now and perhaps you should check into new glasses for your narrow-sighted eyeballs.

How utterly and absolutely ridiculous!

[Cults4Bush]

70. Who are you to to put limits upon Love?

My wife is 20 years older than me, we've been together for nearing 15 years now. We both love the Kooches. Its obvious you dont and thats fine but to try and tear them down because they Love each other is freaking ridiculous. Prove to us all these allegations you're making. By inference you are saying DK is infantile and pretending to still be 18 and close minded by having fallen in love with someone whose IQ and intellect surpasses 98% of the people posting on this board. Oh she's quite beautiful and younger than he is. That automatically makes him guilty of your accusations I suppose.

Your posts say a lot more about you than them.

[Kitty Herder]

25. Ya know, there's a part of me that is offended by men marrying much younger women. It's as if they

are saying that I won't be attractive once I reach a certain age, and that I'll inevitably be lonely when I get older. Hell, I'm already too old for some.

But I also have to admit that I like older men and have occasionally dated older men. There's a difference between the old pervs who just want a young thing in their bed and an older man who happens to find a younger woman with whom he shares a strong rapport and doesn't let age become an issue. Older men (aside from the aforementioned pervs) have a lot to offer. There is something to be said for maturity.

Elizabeth Kucinich and I are about the same age and I can definitely understand what she sees in Dennis. I think he's a fine, compassionate, courageous man, dedicated to high ideals. I happen to think Elizabeth is lucky. And I'm sure Dennis wouldn't have been interested in a young beauty who did not possess the traits of compassion, intelligence, and idealism that Elizabeth does.

[flvegan]

42. You might consider looking into how they met, their romance

and their lives together BEFORE look like an idiot.

But then, it's too late for some things.

[LeftyMom]

48. I didn't even see you'd responded to this.

:rofl:

Are there no women your age in your town, or what? :popcorn:

[LeftyMom]

47. I feel sorry for you.

If you see two people so obviously in love and your thoughts turn immediately to bitter, unhappy thoughts, it doesn't say anything good about you. Poor thing.

[RadicalTexan]

51. I'm 29 and I'd accept a date from Dennis Kucinich

He's awesome. There are so few men out there I meet that I would be seriously interested in. My boyfriend is three and a half years younger than me, and I am with him because we "get" each other. I think she's with him because she "gets" him and they share the same values. And he's with her for the same reason.

$0.02

[AnOhioan]

9. Great pic, thanks for posting

[AtomicKitten]

11. Happy couple.

:toast:

[malaise]

19. Lovely pix

Dennis sure needs to be loved right now - losing two siblings is never easy let alone losing both within a few months.

[Prophet 451]

28. She is stunning

Dennis still looks like a goblin. I guess that proves the old saying about love being blind.

[diane in sf]

63. I don't think he looks like a Goblin, he looks quite pleasant

[arikara]

83. I find that people

who need to make rude comments about the appearance of others are usually way worse themselves. Maybe it stems from the nasty personality gene...

[Prophet 451]

86. I actually meant it in an affectionate way

But you're right, I'm no prize either.

[arikara]

88. That's alright

I always feel very protective towards DK and there are one or two here who have been shall we say... judgmental.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

73. You Truly Think She Loves Him?

:rofl:

[AnOhioan]

90. Yes I do....

As much as I truly consider you a troll of the worst kind.

[Prophet 451]

91. Yeah, I do n/t

[bdamomma]

75. or opposites attract.

[chill_wind]

29. Exquisite character, love and beauty-- now THAT's a photograph! K & R

[girl gone mad]

30. He looks like a guy taking his granddaughter to prom.

I love DK, but that's an odd couple.

She's gotten a high profile out of it, though. I hope she uses it for good.

[Breeze54]

31. And you sound like a dried up old prune! When's the last time you got laid?

:P

Jealousy is unbecoming to you. ;)

[Madam Mossfern]

95. That's a goddam

sexist and ageist remark there feller.

[eridani]

69. IMO he looks about 10 years or so older than she does

But then again, people kept mistaking him for a newsboy when he was 30.

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[Ichingcarpenter]

37. Two old souls

Who found each other in these times to make change for this planet.

Some Buddhist would understand this.

[AnOhioan]

38. Well said :)

[Ichingcarpenter]

49. Dennis is not fake and she knows that

If she wasn't such a beauty on the outside
then there wouldn't be so much talk.

Dennis has a beauty on the inside.

They look happy together. Isn't that what we all want?
That your partner makes you better than you see yourself?

Dennis has blossom since he married her and their marriage has brought forth
vigor and truth which has benefited both of them

I would love for them to have children after so much death in his family

[underseasurveyor]

58. And that's exactly what it is

There was no dating or what's your sign, what do you do for a living or how old are you. Their eyes met and in that instant they knew. She told me personally and she's retold it many times to anyone that asks.. as soon as their eyes met it was mutual, they were married to each other from that moment on.

That transcends so many things and age isn't even in the equation.

[Fireweed247]

76. She didn't fall in love with his mind and political acumen

That would be believable. Instead this beautiful young women who could have many men of her choice, SAW Dennis and knew instantly. She knew nothing of him and how he had been fighting to prevent the war, standing up against the patriot act etc. In fact for someone who had been studying 'conflict resolution', she wasn't paying any real attention to American politics if she had no idea who he was. He led the effort against the war in Iraq in the House of Reps for GOD's sake and she was all about peace?

I don't buy it. The story sounds fake to me. I think she is a minder. Dennis was standing up to this Administration before she came along, and since then he has been very distracted and consumed with her like a puppy dog.

If they were this amazing spiritual couple, why has he accomplished less since she came along? I was very involved with both runs for president, and his second run was WORSE than the first BY FAR!! She should have been helping the campaign but instead she was distracting him. Campaign staffers said he would cancel meetings just to be with her. Other volunteers complained of her interfering with situations and purposely causing problems with volunteers.

[underseasurveyor]

81. Well since I personally know them both...

AND I've seen what they do and how they work together I can tell you I see a very different reality. You can "think" all you want to, it doesn't mean it's a correct assessment of what you've heard.

[Fireweed247]

84. Do you think she is going to act that way in front of Dennis?

If she is his minder, she is also a very good actress.

Who are you exactly? I was pretty involved in the campaign and paying close attention. Just because you 'personally know them both' does not mean that you are aware of everything that happened during the campaign. Were you on the staff?

[underseasurveyor]

85. Who am I? Should it matter?

But since you're so curious I am nobody.
Just because you were involved with the campaign in whatever state in which you live doesn't make you privy to everything that goes on in a nation wide campaign. It's a big world out there but you are correct on one thing, I don't know everything that happened in the campaign.. how could I?
How could you?

So what's your point?

[Fireweed247]

89. I was getting information from national staff

My point was that perhaps this relationship seems real great on the outside, but there is possibly something more sinister going on.

I would believe the story if Elizabeth fell in love with Dennis for his heart and mind. But the story...she said she 'just knew' when she saw him...seemed a little fake to me. Then after helping with the campaign, it became obvious that she became an obstacle in ways that Dennis would not be aware of.

I asked who you were because you keep claiming that you know better than everyone else because you personally know the Kucinichs and they have stayed at your house and therefore everyone else is wrong. I am sure that Elizabeth is a loyal and loving person in front of Dennis so how would he or you know? That is my point.

[underseasurveyor]

96. I don't necessarily 'know better' than everyone else... however

since I do know them, and have at times spent days with them, and since I have seen them work together and how they interact and how they look at each other I can tell you that there is great love, adoration and respect between these two people. E. is absolutely instrumental in helping to keep his daily life and schedule on track and pulling together the finer details and I'm just saying that since I have personally witnessed this I do believe that I can offer a more accurate opinion based on real observations as compared to anyone that says, oh well I heard this or I think that.

You may also consider that fact that perhaps if any campaign staffers feel that she has slowed him down or prevented him from accomplishing as much as they think he should, that since she has jumped in with both feet and taken over much of his daily duties they may feel somewhat slighted or left out and perhaps a little resentful because they aren't doing as much for him as they were before E. came on the scene? Sometimes ego's have a tendency to get in the way.

[AnOhioan]

97. I agree wholeheartedly with the point about staffer ego's....

I worked on Dennis' 04 campaign, well before he met Elizabeth, and yes, a political campaign can be filled with staffers whose ego is bigger than their talents.

[Pastiche423]

44. I often get photos of Dennis and Elizabeth in their emails

They make the most beautiful photos together.

[LeftyMom]

50. There was a big layout of their wedding in VegNews a few years back

(they have an annual vegan wedding issue, and they featured theirs that year) and the pictures were so sweet that I saved it. :)

[Pastiche423]

55. I've only seen a few photos of their wedding

Would you mine sharing a few?

[elshiva]

52. K&R I'm a 26 who LOVES older men.

Did anyone think that she may also be attracted to older, more mature men?

Anyway, he's not an "old foogey," he is a mature man.

[InvisibleTouch]

53. They're both very lucky.

I don't give two bits of a damn what the age difference is between them. When I was younger I prefered to date older men, myself, because guys my age were just too damn immature. By now they've caught up - a little. ;) Whatever works for two people is good, and more power to Dennis & Elizabeth.

[gauguin57]

54. gotta add this pic to the beautiful democratic couples thread

(the one about obamas' public kiss)

[Eurobabe]

61. Why can't people just be HAPPY for them??

JFC. :shrug:

[gateley]

72. Yeah -- no kidding. They seem to adore one another -- isn't that enough? nt

[ProfessorG]

64. That does it! I'm becoming a vegetarian.

Good for him. he can get off the box now.

[votetastic]

65. So, how many telephone books is Kucinich standing on?

:)

[eridani]

68. He uses a stepladder

http://www2.kucinich.us/node/934
Wedding present from his father-in-law. Got to love that wry Brit humor!

[bdamomma]

71. they both make me smile

:)

[JI7]

77. for some reason it doesn't look as weird to me as the Fred Thompson and his wife pics

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

79. She's a beautiful and intelligent woman

Dennis is very lucky.

I'm also very saddened by some of the replies here. As respected as this man is on this site, the personal anger and jealousy of some on this "issue" can't be tempered.

[WritersBlock]

87. They are a beautiful couple.

From what I have learned of them, the beauty is both inside and on the outside.

For both of them.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

92. Here's something else. If she had been 60, with short hair, and frumpy, I would put all my money

That she would not be occupying the photo of him groping her and idolizing her.

Just sayin'!

It's the old TROPHY WIFE thing. I work at a law firm with lots of wealthy attorneys and even more wealthy clients. Trust me, they all have trophy wives. It's the thing rich men do.

Now let me say this, and let me say it in caps so it will clear: OF COURSE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. BUT THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CALLED EXCEPTIONS, BECAUSE THEY ARE EXCEPTIONS.

The rule is that men with money, will go for the trophy wife rather than the millions of women their same age.

[RetroLounge]

98. Bitter party of one

:eyes:

RL

[EFerrari]

101. Who cares? Do you seriously believe there is nothing for women to do

besides be chosen by wealthy men?!

If we really thought that and acted on it, this planet would stop.

All things would cease.

lol

[GreenPartyVoter]

93. That is a lovely portrait, and "boo sucks to you" to all the grumps on this thread.

[Madam Mossfern]

94. Post that's bound to piss some, or most of you off

WTF cares? Why is it necessary to post pretty pictures of couples? Maybe this is in the same line as posting photos of cute puppies?

Sorry, I question the motive of the OP. What are they?

[RetroLounge]

100. What could their motive possibly be?

:shrug:

RL

[galaxy21]

99. You know Kucinich isn't a conventionally handsome man, but when he was reading out the impeachment

charges against Bush...I'll admit it, there was something quite attractive about him.

[EFerrari]

102. His intelligence all by itself is attractive.

The rest of him is just a bonus. :)