Fuck Dan Savage

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I don't know how many times this needs to be posted, but

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=12237

and he hasn't repented from this shit yet.

FUCK DAN SAVAGE.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Sorry.

I am sure he's a great guy and makes a great bechamel, but just not my thing.

[GOPNotForMe]

2. Yikes that is a pretty horrible (and condescending) editorial.... he's probably too embarrassed...

to take it back. NO excuse.

[Wetzelbill]

3. That is one of the most agonizingly snide and stupid articles

I have ever read. And coming from somebody like Dan Savage who I respect in many ways? Simply awful.

on edit:

I just had to add "embarrassing" to it as well.

[mondo joe]

4. I really hate to defend Dan Savage, but integrity demands it:

You may not like his reasoning, but by March 2003 he was against the war in Iraq:


http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=13624


Osama's letter reminded me why I supported the war to remove the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, and why I support the coming war on Iraq. Or supported the coming war on Iraq. I'm officially against the war now--or against it for now, I should say--which may or may not please the peaceniks who've bothered to read this far.

Did the people in the streets convince me? No. Yes. Sorta. I believe in the power of people taking to the streets. I lived in West Berlin when demonstrations brought down the East German government; I was in Prague when the demonstrations toppled Czechoslovakia's communist rulers. George W. Bush's dismissal of massive demonstrations all over the world--calling them "focus groups"--only served to prove something we already knew: The man is an idiot.

And so are a lot of the protesters. "Violence never solved anything." Really? Violence solved the Holocaust. "Bombs just make more terrorists." Really? We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we dropped on Europe during World War II. Where are all the Vietnamese terrorists? "Innocent people will die." True enough--but innocent people are dying right now in Iraq. The left's selective empathy is shocking. My lefty pals feel the pain of Iraqi civilians--but only the pain that the U.S. inflicts or might inflict. You don't hear much from the left about the pain that Saddam Hussein inflicts. "War kills the innocent." No, the status quo in the Middle East kills the innocent--and as we've seen in Manhattan and Bali, not just the innocent in the Middle East. War at times is the only hope for an oppressed people--as each Iraqi refugee quickly informs the first Western reporter he can find.

But, whatever, I'm against the war on Iraq now. Why? Because George W. Bush blew it. George W. Bush failed to make the case. George W. Bush wasn't able to convince NATO--NATO!--or the United Nations of the necessity of this necessary war. Now the Bush administration seems set on a course that may destroy NATO and the UN. I don't know about the Bushies, but I think a world without NATO and the UN will be more dangerous in the long run than a world without Saddam Hussein will be in the short run. So I'm against the war. Hey, when's the next peace march?

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6. Gee, Dan. So NRO 2004.

Would Doughy Pantload even sign such a statment any more?

Would Tom Friedman?

[Poll_Blind]

5. I would just move on, fuck him. It's like holding a grude against Jonathan Winters because...

...he savagely beat that one kid in the mid-70's. All Dan Savage is good for is giving opinions to men worried they might be gay because they like their girlfriend to stick a finger in their anus while performing fellatio.

  That's it. His opinions on all other things are inconsequential, hold no weight with the general population and are generally meaningless.

PB

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7. Thanks. True. But DU put him at the top of homepage videos.

Dan Savage has zero credibility, but he's at the top of DU homepage videos.

[mondo joe]

8. He's been a good spokesman on same sex marriage.

I have some old issues with Dan Savage - older than the war - so I have a grudge against him.

But he's been effective on same sex marriage, appears on TDS, Real Time, Colbert and so on.

Hence he's on the homepage videos.

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13. Effective on same sex marriage?

In what way?

Did he sway voters? Where? To what effect? Did Prop 8 fail?

[mondo joe]

23. The story isn't done yet. NT

[Unvanguard]

10. But he is REALLY good at that.

:)

Savage Love is one of my weekly must-reads.

[Truth2Tell]

9. Plenty of Democrats and "progressives"

support America's wars de jour. That's just the country and the Party we live in.

Dan is a pretty thoughtful guy and he is very likely reachable on this someday. His tone can be condescending, but I like it when I agree with him and he rips the other guys a new one.

Obama supports escalation in Afghanistan. All we can do is try to teach peace. Throwing every potential ally under the bus isn't going to get us there.

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16. Dan was and is wrong on Iraq.

and he is damaged goods as an opinion-leader on any issue.

In fact, he is crap.

[Truth2Tell]

19. That same logic would toss out a lot

of Democrats. I wouldn't ask Dan's opinion on foreign policy anyway. But on gay rights I give him props. He's one of the few rational voices out there on drug policy as well, btw.

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22. So be it.

[TexasObserver]

11. Being an adult with a rational mind, I can separate opinions about war from those about gay issues.

I don't follow the "wrong once and you're out" philosophy about anything.

He's right on gay issues, and right now, that's the one he's talking about.

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15. Even a blind chicken can find a kernel of corn now 'n' agin.

[TexasObserver]

17. An old homily as a retort? That's weak, and irrelevant.

Why would you attack him now for a column he wrote in 2002, unless something he's doing now displeases you?

Logic strongly suggests you're not happy with his current activities, not his past ones.

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20. He is right on Prop 8, no doubt,

but he continues to be wrong on the Iraq war, which by the crudest of estimates, has cost Iraqi civilian lives bettering six figures.

He is an idiot, and he should not be writing in a position of advocacy for any publication given his extreme wrongheadedness on a matter of such great avoidable human consequence.

Fuck Dan Savage.

[bluedawg12]

12. That was Oct 23, 2002 article

he was wrong with many other people on the eve of the war.

He has become a strong voice against the RW family values coalition types that want to keep waging an even longer was: the cultural wars, in the hopes of splitting up progressives.

Savage kicked family values Perkins ass last night on Anderson Cooper.

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14. So you're saying that Dan Savage is the Tom Friedman of his generation.

Awesome!

And fEEBLE!

[SpiralHawk]

26. A total bottomfeeder

With crappy useless degrading ideas.

[Creideiki]

18. Don't worry.

A lot of people are just looking for a reason to hate teh gays again. If there's one flaw, then Savage is bad. If Savage is bad, everything and everyone Savage supports is bad. Oh, look! Savage supports gay marriage! We're justified in screwing over teh evil gays because Savage is one.

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21. I'm very anti-8. If you're talking about me, you're just mistaken.

I'm talking about Savage: he is a bigoted, dangerous, unrepentant idiot.

He is the one who needs to get his shit straight.

He has the blood of countless Iraqi civilians on his hands.

[HamdenRice]

24. Dan Savage is an ignorant buffoon who is almost always wrong on everything

The entire premise of his column is simply that he is snarky, mean and insulting to people who ask for advice, which is to say, it's based on a kind of hatred.

Even when he is hating the "right" people -- ie conservatives -- his rhetorical strategy is still based on insult rather than reason.

So when there was an opportunity to cheerlead the mass slaughter of Iraqis, of course he was for it.

This preference to hate people explains his role in recent controversies as well.

It's amazing how many people will follow this idiot over the cliff on any issue, despite the fact that he has proven himself wrong so often. Why anyone takes seriously the deranged musings of a guy whose column runs next to adds for prostitutes and escort services in the Village Voice is a mystery.

[mondo joe]

25. OH NOES! Prostitutes?

Oh the shame, the shame.

[undeterred]

27. Repented?

That's strange language to use around here.