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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:25 AM
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"USA. USA." "We're number 27" in gender equality.
Article here (about the UK rankings). http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/nov/13/gener-equality-pay-gap-europe

The listings here. http://www.weforum.org/pdf/gendergap/rankings2008.pdf

Some things struck me immediately. While it didn't surprise me that 9 of the top 10 were European countries, I'm quite shocked about some of the countries the US ranks behind. This is not to take anything away from these countries, since they are obviously doing something right.

#6 - Philippines
#12 - Sri Lanka
#16 - Lesotho
#18 - Mozambique
#20 - Moldova

But :wtf:
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Gullvann Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:35 AM
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1. But, Canada and Belgium
are behind :patriot:

Though Namibia is catching up fast :hide:

Weird list.

Off course, number one is not surprising :toast:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:39 AM
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2. 27? Really?
I thought we were dead last.

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:44 AM
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3. Dead last?
Ok, don't take this the wrong way 'cos I'm not trying to flame you, but didn't you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4430790&mesg_id=4430790
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:14 AM
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8. how could you possibly think that?
seriously, think about it for a moment. Think about Arab countries in the mideast. Do you really think that they're ahead of the U.S. when it comes to gender equality? Not just representation in gov't (hell, in some states, women aren't even allowed to vote) but gender equality in general.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:17 PM
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10. I was being sarcastic.
Guess I should have included the :sarcasm: smilie, huh?
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:51 AM
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4. Cool, we're #9!
Looks like rational thinking is leaking from the North Pole, but only on the Scandinavian side.
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mirror wall Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:53 AM
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5. There is something really weird with that list.
There is absolutely ZERO way that Morocco is that close to the bottom. There is no way that it's more oppressive than Syria, Iran, etc. I am a woman living in Morocco who knows women from both Iran and Syria Arabia (who currently live in Morocco and enjoy many more freedoms than they did in their home countries) and can safely say that that's bullshit. I don't need to dress any differently that I would in Europe-- which would not be the case in many of the countries in Arabia proper. The first time I ever visited the country, the train I took from the airport to my destination was driven by a woman. I work with an NGO and most of the people I deal with in the government are women. My landlord is a woman.

I'm really curious to see how this data was collected because something's really not right with it.
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:49 AM
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6. Maybe it's on this page somewhere?
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:10 AM
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7. Here is the Morocco link.
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mirror wall Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:19 AM
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9. Thanks.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 09:20 AM by mirror wall
I went back and compared Morocco to Malawi.

It seems that what's pushing Malawi into its high position is that a lot more women are categorized as "participating in the labor force" than in a lot of other countries. I think it's erroneous to conclude that having to work is akin to choosing to work. Women in the western world choose (and in the most developed Scandinavian countries, almost all do work since they don't ever have to make the choice between family and work), but for those in the third it's often a matter of course that every woman works her poor ass off or everyone would starve.

Morocco is in between the third and first worlds socio-economically speaking and thus a lot of middle class families can opt to allow women to stay at home, just as most did in the States and Western Europe 50 years ago. Morocco, however is developing at a blinding pace. I'd almost say it's unprecedented in the whole world and is extremely fascinating to watch first hand. It's being guided by a blessedly liberal and benevolent King who has launched an initiative to promote woman's rights in general and especially to encourage them to go to college and obtain professional employment. The initiative even has a cute name (like the tourist initiative which is called "Plan Azure"), I can't for the life of me remember what it is at the moment.

The ministerial data from that survey just does not jive with my experience in Morocco, however. I suppose the fact that I work in health increases my odds of working with women, but having worked in nine different countries both in Sub Saharan and North Africa I have found that the Ministry of Health here is comprised of mainly females vs. other countries such as Benin, Togo, Burkina, etc. where it's mostly a (really fucking annoyingly obstructionist) old boy's club. I found some data that supports this here:

http://www.awid.org/eng/Issues-and-Analysis/Library/Moroccan-Women-s-Rights-Wear-Royal-Robes
On the political front, the 2002 Electoral Code introduced a novel "national list" that reserved 30 parliamentary seats for women. Currently, women hold 35 out of 325 seats in the lower house, including 30 from the national list as well as five who won in their local districts.

So, yea. I think that this survey is not very well put together.

While I don't doubt that the US lags behind most of Western Europe in terms of gender equality, I find it utterly preposterous to assert that it's behind Malawi. I think that the survey needs to weight things like Female Genital Mutilation, # of deaths while in labor, life expectancy, etc. a wee tad heavier to bear any reflection to the real world. Both Morocco and the States have a 0.00 in FGM, while Malawi has a 0.20. That's pretty fucking ridiculous if you ask me.
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