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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:46 AM
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*LOL* must read-the 32 "Car ballots" in Minn. (Fox News irate over this)-NONE of it is true
I figured that someone might have forgotten them and that that was the more full explanation.
Turns out NONE of the story is true. Another one dissolves into pieces.

Full Story here
http://www.minnpost.com/davidbrauer/2008/11/12/4565/minneapolis_election_director_speaks_ballots_in_my_car_story_false

SUMMARY
Before getting into the details, she makes three fundamental points:
1. The ballots were never in her car.
2. The ballots were never in anyone’s car for several days.
3. The ballots were never lost or forgotten, and spent Election Night until counting day in secure city facilities.

In the end, Franken claimed 18 of the 32 votes and Coleman got seven. The rest were non-votes or for other candidates.

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The “car ballot” story emerged Saturday from the mouth of Coleman lawyer Fritz Knaak, who, according to AP, told reporters, “We were actually told ballots had been riding around in her car for several days, which raised all kinds of integrity questions.”

Knaak never provided a source and did not return two MinnPost calls for comment. However, he was already backing off his story at the same press event. As that day’s Pioneer Press noted, “Knaak said he feels assured that what was going on with the 32 ballots was neither wrong nor unfair.”

OK, so were the ballots ever in a car?
State law mandates voters return absentee ballots to elections offices, such as the Government Center or City Hall. Officials then must deliver the ballots to individual precincts on Election Day for tallying.
Since the "Star Trek" teleporter has not yet been invented, these ballots are driven to the polling places.
Yes, in cars — like they are every year, throughout Minnesota. (Ramsey County officials confirm they do this, too, for example.)

Driving the ballots
So: The ballots were in cars because state law mandates precinct counting. An election judge always had custody, and they were never “lost.” They were not in vehicles overnight and spent Election Night, and the next several nights, tucked away safely in City Hall.

The Saturday count
Reichert says she needed to get back each precinct's voter rolls to assure absentee voters didn't cast in-person ballots Election Day. Truckers bring back precinct supplies to the city’s elections warehouse throughout election week. Enough equipment came back Friday to count the first 28 votes Saturday.

For the record, those ballots, plus the four mistakenly uncounted precinct ones, made a final car trip that morning. They were driven from City Hall to the warehouse — accompanied by three election judges from differing parties.


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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:55 AM
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1. Frankin explained this whole thing on the radio this AM.
FOX & the Pubs always try to distort EVERYTHING!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 08:59 AM
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2. “Knaak said he feels assured that what was going on with the 32 ballots was neither wrong nor unfair
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/11/13/hannity_kelly_fox_news_help_propagate_phony_found_votes_story_in_minnesota_election.php

Also
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/11/13/hannity_and_fox_news_allege_voter_fraud_in_minnesota_voter_fraud_allegations_without_proof_and_despite_admonishments_from_governor.php
The discussion began with a “FOX News Alert” in which a banner read, “Voter fraud concerns grow.”

Hannity asked, “The question is, 'Is the fix in?'”

“No reasonable person can conclude there's not funny business going on here,” Hannity said as his opening question to Pawlenty.

Pawlenty said, “We don't have any evidence of wrongdoing, “ but, he added, the numbers (in which recent added votes broke disproportionately for Franken) were “cause for concern.”

Instead of providing evidence, Hannity moved on to Plan B, innuendo via smearing the Democratic Secretary of State (and implicitly suggesting that he was a conduit for voter fraud). Hannity said, “We have a problem with the Secretary of State, Mark Ritchie, do we not? ...He has ties to this controversial group we've discussed a lot, ACORN. He attended the 2008 Democratic Convention. How much faith and hope and confidence do you have in Ritchie considering his radical relationships and partisanship, even connected to MoveOn.Org?”

Once again, Pawlenty would not take Hannity's bait. He noted that all Secretary of States have some kind of partisan background. Pawlenty added, “In this case, the final decisions are made by a canvassing board.” He noted that four of the five members were judges, two of whom he had appointed and that the other two had good reputations. “I think it's gonna be a fair system,” Pawlenty said.

Hannity gave a brusque “OK” and reverted to Plan A, pressing his case for voter fraud based on the suspicious numbers. “My fear is that the fix may already be in,” he said.

Pawlenty answered, “Sean, we don't have any direct evidence of that. And when you make an allegation, not you but anybody, of fraud in an election, it's a very serious matter. So you gotta have specific evidence to back it up.”

Hannity never offered any.

Not until Part 2 did we learn the Franken camp's side of the story, that Coleman is trying to prevent all votes from being counted.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:34 AM
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3. “No reasonable person ..."
it will be news when Hannity is considered a "reasonable person" ...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 09:46 AM
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4. Hannity is right
there is funny business going on...by them
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:00 AM
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5. Know how I knew this story was false?
I mean, besides that Faux was flogging it.

Thirty-two ballots. Thirty-two! That's not a vote fraud number. That's a Driving-Miss-Ballot number. A field-trip-for-ballots number. That's a taking-cranky-ballots-out-for-some-fresh-air-till-they-fall-asleep number.

Why would you bother having 32 ballots in your car? Is everything Minnesotan so low-key and reserved that they'd be embarrassed to steal more than a few votes?

Thirty-two. That's such a cute number. It's the kind of number comedians would say is funny. "Pickles? I got pickles for ya! Thirty-two pickles, howdaya like that!?"

Thirty-two ballots. So sweet.
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