It says a lot about Obama's character that he would even CONSIDER Hillary Clinton

[mudesi]

I think it's big of Obama to even consider Hillary Clinton, and it says a lot about the kind of person he is after the disgusting campaign she ran during the primaries. But I can't say it makes me happy to hear that he may be thinking of her for a place in his administration. I'm not too happy with Rahm Emanuel, either. It looks like Obama may be preparing to govern from the right of center, though I'll hold that judgment for later, when he is actually the president.

I really wish Americans would wake up. Dennis Kucinich, or someone like him, is the path to real change. Obama ran his election right of center, and now he's choosing a right of center cabinet. It's not like McCain would've been an alternative, but it's really very tiring to have to choose between conservatives and conservatives every four years.

I want an abolishment to capital punishment.
I want gay marriage.
I want women's rights.
I want an end to unilateral military power.
I want socialism.
I want universal, single payer government funded health care.
I want gun control.

These things are not going to happen when half your administration is run by the DLC and the blue dog conservatives. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[MiniMe]

1. He is willing to forgive Lieberman. At least Hillary campaigned for him

[saigon68]

2. willing to forgive judas limpmann

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. And they both also endorsed McCain.

I wonder if Lieberman's being considered for a cabinet position.

[cornermouse]

12. That old lie again?

She never ever endorsed McCain.

[MiniMe]

14. No, she didn't endorse McCain. She campaigned hard for Obama

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Sure, after the primary.

Standard political flip-flopping.

Lieberman quickly changed his opinion after the election too.

[mondo joe]

3. HRC campaigned for him. They're both adults in politics - they can take the primary.

And I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't reach some arrangement back then.

[mikelgb]

4. it appears he wants to burn no bridges

or to keep his friends close and his enemies closer

[AndrewP]

18. Exactly what I thought

I may not like it, but it's political reality. Clinton will be a factor, might as well make it as good a factor as possible.

[amdezurik]

5. huh, so you still want to split up the party

gonna have to ignore your sorry ass. You claim to be for "women's rights" right up to the point when one of them gets too "uppity" for you.

[mudesi]

7. I don't know where you got that from

What does Hillary Clinton's horrible campaigning during the primaries have to do with women's rights?

[fla nocount]

17. Pssst... the party is over here...

We've got the music and Admin. supplies the booze.

http://www.progressivesplayground.com/

[aquart]

6. Gratuitous Clinton insults continue.

I'll bet Kucinich wouldn't thank you for them. I know I don't.

[Codeine]

9. Those things are not going to happen

if you vote for any Democrat, really. These are not, in the main, the positions of the Democratic Party, so voting for a Democrat and hoping these things will happen is delusional.

Most Americans still support capital punishment. This will not change until the views of the American people change.

The President can't give us gay marriage; this has to be a movement that starts at the state level.

Obama will protect a woman's right to choose and is not going to take the anti-woman path that the Bushites blazed. You're fine on this one, at least.

America is always going to project unilateral military power. This is a geopolitical reality, unfortunately. No Dem has ever seriously moved to curtail this tendency.

Socialism? We're not the Socialist Party. Why would you vote for a Democrat if you want a Socialist?

Universal, single-payer health care is an historical inevitability, and it will come during a Democratic administartion. But it will take time, as most Americans are suspicious of the concept.

Gun control is an electoral nightmare -- that ship has sailed. We have gun rights in the United States. Deal.

[mudesi]

20. Why not? I remember people saying a black president wasn't possible either

How many concern troll threads popped up about how it was utterly impossible for Obama to win because "America is too racist"?

What you're essentially saying with your post that "America is too conservative".

I just don't believe that. The liberals are out there. They just need a leader.

40% of Americans did not vote in the election. Maybe it's because they had nobody to choose from.

[Codeine]

24. I'm not saying that they can't happen,

I'm saying that most of those positions are not Democratic positions. They are positions I share, but I don't vote for the Democrats anticipating they will bring Socialism to the United States -- they aren't a Socialist party. Voting for the Democrats in the hope that we will nationalize resources and establish a national living wage is like voting for Republicans expecting increased environmental protections -- it's delusional because it's in direct conflict with the inherent positions of the party.

>40% of Americans did not vote in the election. Maybe it's because they had nobody to choose from.

No, it's because lots and lots of people just don't give a shit, don't pay attention, and don't think about politics. I know plenty of them and their lack of voting has nothing to do with needing a new choice; they just don't care to make the choice in any event.

[asjr]

10. This proves Obama is very astute in

choosing who he appreciates.

[Beausoir]

11. Seek professional help.

[RollWithIt]

13. Ok Ralph, talk to you in 4 years....

When I clear my ignore list.

[NeedleCast]

15. Hand-ringing over Obama cabinet thread #15428

Obama is not right of center. He is center-left.

You are so far to the left that you no longer know where the center is.

[mudesi]

19. Actually I'm a liberal

All of my positions are liberal positions.

To say Obama is center left is laughable. He doesn't even support gay marriage, and that one is a no brainer.

[NeedleCast]

22. You may consider all your positions liberal

You may feel all your positions are liberal, but not all liberals would agree with your positions. I don't want socialism. I think we have plenty of gun control.

Do you think Kucinich would get more liberal legislation passed than Obama will? I don't.

It's why I've supported Obama, because I see in him the ability to advance liberal causes. I understand that progress doesn't take place in the short term in a country with the size and diversity of the US. In fact, I expect progress to be made at a fairly glacial pace. Obama understands this.

The advancement of liberal causes takes place at a slow pace because people are, genearlly, slow to accept change, especially to long-standing belief structures. Advancing liberal issues will always happen in baby steps. Always. Unfortunatly gay marriage is currently political suicide. Arguably the most liberal state in the US just passed a gay marriage ban. How do you suppose a Democrat, or any politician for that matter, would get elected if he/she came out in support of gay marriage? Does that suck? Yes. But it's a political reality.

If we want any progress to be made at all, we need Democrats in office, as things tend to regress quickly under Republicans.

Again, if you think Obama is center-right then you have no idea where the center is.

[Pastiche423]

21. I wish the same thing as you do

At least now I know why I had such misgivings.

[cobalt1999]

23. Well, I don't want all those things.

I'm not okay with an abolishing capital punishment.
I'm not okay with socialism.
I'm not okay with gun control.

Furthermore, add in the hundreds of other issues out there and NOBODY is going to agree with ANY president completely.