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smkyle1 Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:36 AM
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Meet Sen. Norm Slimy (R-MN), the Ted Stevens of the Midwest
In a state known for squeaky clean, Lake Woebegon-like politics, Sen. Norm Coleman is the poster child of slimy political stunts, self-serving manoeuvring, and kow-towing to corporate campaign donors.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/11/14/meet-sen-norm-slimy-r-mn-the-ted-stevens-of-the-midwest/
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:41 AM
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1. This Dude Really make the already FILTHY GOP ...DIRTIER..its Piling On...
Norm is a nasty Guy...period....
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:52 AM
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2. I figured he was going to be Truly Special when I read that Dick Cheney hand-picked him to run
against Senator Paul Wellstone. That was our first clue. Well, that, and the fact that he was a carpet-bagger from New York or somewhere.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:04 AM
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4. As much as I hate Norman and can call him many colorful names
carpetbagger really doesn't apply. I think he moved here in the late 70s and worked in the Attorney General's office until he became mayor of St. Paul. Wellstone also moved here sometime in the 70s and we never thought of him as a carpet bagger.

And, when you hear mention of Governor Tim Pawlenty, remember that not only did Cheney handpick Coleman for the Senate, he ordered Timmy the Tool not to run for that seat and Timmy willingly complied.


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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:30 AM
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5. If Darth told me to NOT do something, believe me, I would NOT do it. I mean, like, pronto.
I feel it's not a mark against Gov. Tim Pawlenty that he backed off from the Senate seat when Darth said, "Back off."

How can Coleman still have that goofy accent if he's lived in Minnesota that long? I listen to Minnesota Public Radio all the time, and NOBODY ELSE sounds like Normie! I don't remember Wellstone having a goofy accent at all.
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Lionhearted Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:32 AM
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6. What happened to the Minnesota of my youth?
I grew up with Orville Freeman, Gene McCarthy, Hubert Humphrey, Fritz Mondale, Paul Wellstone (well, I'd moved on by then).

What happened to that tradition?
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 05:27 AM
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13. According to Wikipedia, the term Carpetbagger COULD apply to Norm**
ALSO Nermal the Republican lackey began as a DEM in NY and as soon as he was elected as a DEM in MN and was approached by the *ush team he turned his coat and started his life as a rethug.

I'd call normmy a Benedict Arnold***, but I really can't think of anything he did BEFORE turning coat that was very helpful either.




**
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger
<snip>
Since 1900 the term has been used more widely in the US to describe outsiders' attempting to gain political office or economic advantage, especially in areas (thematically or geographically) to which they previously had no connection

***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold
<snip>
As a general still on the American side, he obtained command of the fort at West Point, New York, and attempted unsuccessfully to surrender it to the British. After this he served with British forces as a Loyalist.

Arnold is considered by many to be the best general and most accomplished leader in the Continental Army. Without Arnold's earlier contributions to their cause, the American Revolution might well have been lost; but after he switched sides, his name became a byword for treason in the United States.



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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:55 PM
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18. By that definition anyone who moves for a job is a carpetbagger
and, I'm afraid, that would apply to Wellstone who moved here for a teaching job at Carlton College.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:17 AM
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7. St. Paul police cite Sen. Norm Coleman's father for lewd and disorderly
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2415515

Norm Coleman Sr., the father of Minnesota's junior senator, was cited for lewd and disorderly conduct Tuesday after police officers reported finding him engaged in a sex act in a car near a pizzeria on E. 7th St. in St. Paul.

A police report said officers were called to Savoy Inn at 7:40 p.m. to investigate a report that two people were having sex in a car. The police report stated a woman, Patrizia Marie Schrag, 38, also was cited for lewd and disorderly conduct. MORE...


Sen. Norm Coleman's Father in Sex Scandal

St. Paul police cited the 81-year-old father of Sen. Norm Coleman and a female companion after officers reported seeing them engaged in a sex act in the parking lot of a popular pizzeria.

A person passing Red Savoy's Pizza at 421 E. Seventh St. called police about 6:30 p.m. Tuesday and said two people were "having sex in a vehicle," a police report said. More...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/27/145354/576/784/231086

Norm Knows "Family Values" and shit!



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Lionhearted Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:34 AM
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8. Arrested for having sex in a car at 81?
Jeez, I hope I'm that lucky. :)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 04:13 AM
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12. Norm reminds me of George in Seinfeld.....
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:00 AM
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3. What did you expect...? He grew up in Brooklyn...
:hide:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:01 AM
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9. Shitheeel Norm is a disgrace to the fine state of Minnesota
and a carpetbagging asshole to boot.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:14 AM
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10. An excellent read...kicked and recommended
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:29 AM
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11. Coleman absolutely has to dirty up the recount.
My expectation is that the recount totals in Anoka, Dakota, Ramsey and Washington counties are going to wildly diverge from the reported totals.

Why?

These are the four Minnesota counties that use Diebold Machines. When these recount totals come in, Norm is going to cry foul. I believe Norm already knows the totals are going to no longer reflect the original totals and he knows he has to dirty the water fast.

On a side note, Anoka and Washington Counties are part of the 6th congressional district - you know, the one that Michele Bachmann represents. Both counties are pretty populous with Anoka at 327,005 and Washington at 228,103.

The sixth Congressional district population total is about 614,935.

So, if the Senatorial totals go crazy people may start to wonder if Bachmann even really won her race.

I may deserve a good pelting after the recount but this is what I think will happen.

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MN Farmer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 05:50 AM
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14. This entire election has been a shame.....
Neither candidate understand or represent MN or it's people, neither grew up nor worked here in their lives-it's really sad that we can't get more folks like Oberstar who are natives, have lived here their whole life and actually understand the community because that's where their roots lie. If this is the best and brightest leaders we can dredge up, as a nation, we are screwed.


What boggles my mind, is votes are turning up in hundreds for Franken (I shouldn't complain), but no votes seem to be found that have Coleman checked off. That sounds kinda fishy.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Coleman with a passion-he's a turncoat of the first order, but this entire race stinks like something rotten.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:05 PM
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15. Franken may not have been the best candidate in the world
but he's far better than Coleman.

Franken did grow up here. He was raised in St. Louis Park.

Coleman's been here since at least the late '70s - to me, however, that doesn't alter his "carpetbagger" status. Norm will do whatever it takes to advance his own career. If he thought he'd get ahead by becoming the Guns And Dope Party candidate, he'd be onboard before nightfall.


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MN Farmer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 02:43 AM
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16. They're both outsiders
Franken has spent most of his adult life residing outside MN. In reality, they're both carpetbaggers.

I voted for Franken just because he wasn't Coleman, but it's really sad that's why I voted for him. I really wish we had someone who has lived the majority of their lives (or at least the last decade) residing in the state in which they wish to represent.

Like I said, if this is the best and the brightest we can come up with here in MN for leadership, we're SOL.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 10:51 AM
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17. Franken isn't Coleman, that's for certain - especially when you consider their positions
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/ongoing/select_a_candidate/positions.php?race_id=14

Social Security
Do you favor privatizing Social Security to any degree?

Coleman: Yes

Individuals ought to be allowed to invest in IRA's, but Social Security should not be completely privatized.

Franken: No.

In a written statement to MPR Franken said, "my wife's family survived because of Social Security survivor benefits, and I will go to the mat to protect Social Security from privatization. I think the Bush administration and its apologists have exaggerated concerns about solvency. But those concerns do exist, and I think we should look at raising the cap on income subject to FICA."


Tax Cuts
Should the President's tax cuts be made permanent?

Coleman: Yes

Voted NO on $47 billion for military by repealing capital gains tax cut (Feb. 2006). Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends (Feb. 2006). Voted YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends (Nov. 2005). Voted YES on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years (May 2003). Voted YES on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (March 2007). Voted YES on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts (Aug. 2006). Voted YES on permanently repealing the `death tax` (June 2006).

Franken: No.

In a written statement to MPR Franken said, "I am strongly opposed to making Bush's tax cuts permanent. Never before in the history of our country have we had a tax cut during a time of war - and under this Administration, we've had two. That's ridiculous. We should not extend the tax cuts for the top 1%. When President Clinton raised the top marginal tax rate, Republicans claimed it would lead to financial ruin. Instead, it led to unprecedented prosperity. I think we should go back to unprecedented prosperity."


Health Care
Do you favor or oppose universal health care?

Coleman: Oppose

According to a posting on Sen. Coleman's Web site he is opposed to a single payer health care system and supports affordable health care through (1) Health Savings Accounts (2) Association Health Plans (3) Medicare Part D and (4) income-based tax credits for individuals and families without employer-based health insurance.

Franken: Favor

In a written statement to MPR Franken said, "My number one domestic priority is to get us to universal health care. We spend 16% of our GDP on health care; no other industrialized country spends more than 11%. Yet we cover only 82% of our people; they all cover 100% of theirs. "The first thing we should do, and we should do it immediately, is cover every kid in America by essentially expanding Medicare to include everyone 18 and under. And, by the way, Medicare should really be Medicare - we shouldn't be throwing away Medicare dollars by overpaying the insurance companies to cherry-pick the healthiest seniors to cover. "There are several feasible options being used around the world for covering everyone else, including a single-payer system, and my priority is to get to universal health care as quickly as possible, even if this means temporarily adopting a mixed system or a system that allows states some flexibility how they cover their citizens."


Abortion
Do you favor or oppose legalized abortion?

Coleman: Oppose.

"I am pro-life," Coleman said during a speech at the Humphrey Institute May 14, 2007. He voted in favor of banning partial birth abortions except for when maternal life is threatened in March 2003.

Franken: Favor

In a written statement to MPR Franken said, "I believe that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. And during the Clinton Administration, the number of abortions declined every year. Why? Because under President Clinton, our government understood that the best way to prevent abortions is to prevent unwanted pregnancies. That should be our focus."


Marriage Equality
Do you favor or oppose a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman?

Coleman: Favor

Voted in favor of a constitutional amendment that defined marriage as being between one man and one woman in June 2006.

Franken: Oppose.

In a written statement to MPR Franken said, "I would strongly oppose such an amendment. We shouldn't be writing discrimination into the Constitution. I'm for equal rights in marriage, since I've been married for almost 32 years and don't really feel like my marriage is threatened by two people of the same sex making a public and binding commitment to each other. I do understand that many reasonable people of good faith disagree with this position but agree that all Americans should have the same legal rights and we shouldn't let right-wing ideologues invent divisions that don't exist. "The issue of equal rights in employment is actually a more important issue that gets very little attention. In a large majority of states, it is still legal to fire someone simply for being gay. That's wrong. Minnesota is not one of those states, and I will fight to end employment discrimination based on sexual preference nationwide."



There's more at the link.

So yeah, it's sad that you voted for Franken "just because he wasn't Coleman" - but maybe not for the reason you think.

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MN Farmer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 07:33 PM
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19. Franken knows little to nothing about MN
He couldn't even find Forest Lake on the fourth of July, nor could any of his campaign workers for the parade. He was supposed to be one of the first floats (in person), but never showed.


What does Franken know about MN? He hasn't been here in years.

Those issues are cookie cutter stuff-anyone can easily fill in the blanks.

Al has not been a part of our community for years, he doesn't have firsthand knowledge of what MN'ans really want or need.

He's no Paul Wellstone, he's an outsider who came here looking for a Senate seat-he's better than the other option, but I doubt he's going to really grasp what we need.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 09:54 PM
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20. I'm not sure your information is correct.
Al Did three parade appearances on the 4th of July, Starting in Gilbert, then Brainerd and finally Aurora.

http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:U1DIuHPRQEoJ:www.alfranken.com/index.php/content/video_list%3Fpage%3D7+al+franken+schedule+4th+of+july&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


here's some photos of the Franken contingent at the Forest Lake parade:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfranken/sets/72157606037330023/detail/

It looks like Thomasin was there.

Was he scheduled for Forest Lake? Got a link?
It seems like you have hurt feelings that he wasn't there.

Here's an interesting little article from earlier this year with a 2004 interview with Al.

http://www.mplsobserver.com/node/1281
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 10:13 PM
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21. No pelting here
Edited on Sun Nov-16-08 10:14 PM by loindelrio
I have been thinking along similar lines myself.

The MN recount could well be an event with sweeping nationwide implications. With MN's law requiring a hand recount, and if the hand count varies significantly from the reported machine total, particularly in one direction . . .
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 10:42 PM
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22. It could get interesting in a hurry, couldn't it?
It's fortunate we have paper ballots to recount here. I can't imagine having to trust total electronic voting.
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