Need some advice...

[Whalestoe]

What do I say to someone (my brother) who says that a woman who gets an abortion more than once because "they don't want the kid" is "pro-abortion" (I can't stand the term)--I got into a big fight over this tonight; he eventually just dropped the subject by calling me "ignorant" and a "fucking idiot". I just don't know what to say sometimes when discussions get heated I just can't articulate my point.

[HeresyLives]

1. 'Forced-pregnancy'

is the term to use.

[peace13]

2. Put it in man terms.

If a man impregnates a woman and causes an unwanted child he should not be permitted to have sex again until his vasectomy has healed and proven effective.

[seabeyond]

3. what do you call ALL the people that have never had an abortion, may not even agree with

abortion, yet feel it is the womans right to chose?

pro choice.

that is what i would say to brother and then drop it without calling names. seems to be a republicans standard fair to reduce it to name calling

what do you call a grown person who resorts to name calling?

childish.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. Anyone who believes that is beyond reason

You flip out because you're up against ignorance and irrationality and, probably, a deep mistrust of women. Maybe even a fear of women, but certainly your brother isn't all that fond of women who think for themselves.

Your reaction is frustration because you're being factual and reasonable and he's being emotional and dismissive. He clearly can't understand what "pro-choice" means, and that no one is "pro-abortion."

There is nothing you can say to someone like that, except that the next time the subject comes up, just call him "an ignorant fucking idiot," and get it over with. At least you'll have the comfort of knowing you were right.

[Whalestoe]

8. I tried to tell him no woman is pro abortion.

That's what started the whole argument. He tried to say that he knew a girl who had seven abortions solely because she didn't want the kid, thus she was pro abortion. I didn't even know what to say to that idea...

[Tangerine LaBamba]

10. Yeah, sure, seven abortions

I've heard about that woman. She sure gets around, mostly in anti-choice circles. Somehow, though, she never really appears, you know, in human form, anywhere. That mystical, mythical woman of the "seven abortions."

And if someone had seven abortions, so what? What's it to your brother? What's it to anyone besides the woman?

What you say to that sort of phony crap your brother is trying to feed you is "Bullshit. Bring her here and let's talk it over."

[drmeow]

5. Tell him

condoms break, women get raped, birth defect and risks to the mother happen. Those things don't just happen to women who have never had an abortion. Sometimes they also happen to women who have had an abortion.

Is there nothing he has ever done or has ever happened to him about which he said, "never again" and then it happened again? Has he been badly dumped by a significant other more than one time? Has his car broken down more than once? What does that make him?

[Whalestoe]

7. The argument he tried to throw at me is:

"I know a girl who has had an abortion seven times. Why didn't she ever use birth control? She told me she got an abortion because she just didn't want the kid. That's being pro-abortion."

Like, is that really pro-abortion, or just a stupid girl? Although I have a hard time believing she's gotten seven abortions like it was nothing. I told him I would LOVE to meet this girl.

[drmeow]

9. No, that's being anti-kid

there is a difference. If she told your brother she got pregnant cause she wanted to have an abortion and she had all those abortions because she enjoyed having abortions, then she would be pro-abortion.

She MIGHT be anti-birth control. She probably is stupid (or ignorant). She's definitely a sad case and could probably use some counseling. She might be anti-pregnancy (anti-episiotomy?). She might be/have been in an abusive relationship where her partner refuses to use birth control and she said that about the abortion because its more embarrassed/frightening/whatever to admit that she's abused.

[The Wielding Truth]

6. Tell him that it is her moral and medical decision, since it is

her body. If she has decided to do it, she will do it, legal or not, and we don't want it to go black market.

It is safer for everyone, even the unborn, to support all women and all pregnancies.