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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:54 PM
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The illusion dies...
...just got this via e-mail:

Election spurs 'hundreds' of race threats, crimes

By JESSE WASHINGTON, AP National Writer
2 hrs 42 mins ago
Cross burnings. Schoolchildren chanting "Assassinate Obama." Black figures hung from nooses. Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars.

Incidents around the country referring to President-elect Barack Obama are dampening the postelection glow of racial progress and harmony, highlighting the stubborn racism that remains in America.

From California to Maine, police have documented a range of alleged crimes, from vandalism and vague threats to at least one physical attack. Insults and taunts have been delivered by adults, college students and second-graders.

There have been "hundreds" of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes.

One was in Snellville, Ga., where Denene Millner said a boy on the school bus told her 9-year-old daughter the day after the election: "I hope Obama gets assassinated." That night, someone trashed her sister-in-law's front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs, and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door, Millner said.
She described her emotions as a combination of anger and fear.

"I can't say that every white person in Snellville is evil and anti-Obama and willing to desecrate my property because one or two idiots did it," said Millner, who is black. "But it definitely makes you look a little different at the people who you live with, and makes you wonder what they're capable of and what they're really thinking."

Potok, who is white, said he believes there is "a large subset of white people in this country who feel that they are losing everything they know, that the country their forefathers built has somehow been stolen from them."

Grant Griffin, a 46-year-old white Georgia native, expressed similar sentiments: "I believe our nation is ruined and has been for several decades and the election of Obama is merely the culmination of the change.

"If you had real change it would involve all the members of (Obama's) church being deported," he said.

Change in whatever form does not come easy, and a black president is "the most profound change in the field of race this country has experienced since the Civil War," said William Ferris, senior associate director of the Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina. "It's shaking the foundations on which the country has existed for centuries."
"Someone once said racism is like cancer," Ferris said. "It's never totally wiped out, it's in remission."

If so, America's remission lasted until the morning of Nov. 5.

The day after the vote hailed as a sign of a nation changed, black high school student Barbara Tyler of Marietta, Ga., said she heard hateful Obama comments from white students, and that teachers cut off discussion about Obama's victory.

Tyler spoke at a press conference by the Georgia chapter of the NAACP calling for a town hall meeting to address complaints from across the state about hostility and resentment. Another student, from a Covington middle school, said he was suspended for wearing an Obama shirt to school Nov. 5 after the principal told students not to wear political paraphernalia.

The student's mother, Eshe Riviears, said the principal told her: "Whether you like it or not, we're in the South, and there are a lot of people who are not happy with this decision."
Other incidents include:

_Four North Carolina State University students admitted writing anti-Obama comments in a tunnel designated for free speech expression, including one that said: "Let's shoot that (N-word) in the head." Obama has received more threats than any other president-elect, authorities say.

_At Standish, Maine, a sign inside the Oak Hill General Store read: "Osama Obama Shotgun Pool." Customers could sign up to bet $1 on a date when Obama would be killed. "Stabbing, shooting, roadside bombs, they all count," the sign said. At the bottom of the marker board was written "Let's hope someone wins."

_Racist graffiti was found in places including New York's Long Island, where two dozen cars were spray-painted; Kilgore, Texas, where the local high school and skate park were defaced; and the Los Angeles area, where swastikas, racial slurs and "Go Back To Africa" were spray painted on sidewalks, houses and cars.

_Second- and third-grade students on a school bus in Rexburg, Idaho, chanted "assassinate Obama," a district official said.

_University of Alabama professor Marsha L. Houston said a poster of the Obama family was ripped off her office door. A replacement poster was defaced with a death threat and a racial slur. "It seems the election brought the racist rats out of the woodwork," Houston said.

_Black figures were hanged by nooses from trees on Mount Desert Island, Maine, the Bangor Daily News reported. The president of Baylor University in Waco, Texas said a rope found hanging from a campus tree was apparently an abandoned swing and not a noose.

_Crosses were burned in yards of Obama supporters in Hardwick, N.J., and Apolacan Township, Pa.

_A black teenager in New York City said he was attacked with a bat on election night by four white men who shouted 'Obama.'

_In the Pittsburgh suburb of Forest Hills, a black man said he found a note with a racial slur on his car windshield, saying "now that you voted for Obama, just watch out for your house."

Emotions are often raw after a hard-fought political campaign, but now those on the losing side have an easy target for their anger.

"The principle is very simple," said BJ Gallagher, a sociologist and co-author of the diversity book "A Peacock in the Land of Penguins." "If I can't hurt the person I'm angry at, then I'll vent my anger on a substitute, i.e., someone of the same race."

"We saw the same thing happen after the 9-11 attacks, as a wave of anti-Muslim violence swept the country. We saw it happen after the Rodney King verdict, when Los Angeles blacks erupted in rage at the injustice perpetrated by 'the white man.'"

"It's as stupid and ineffectual as kicking your dog when you've had a bad day at the office," Gallagher said. "But it happens a lot."
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Associated Press writers Errin Haines, Jerry Harkavy, Jay Reeves, Johnny Clark and researcher Rhonda Shafner contributed to this report.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:57 PM
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1. the emergency room stats on the holiday days are going to be one for the books
can you imagine how they'll act when they start getting drunk? and that lasts from thanksgiving clear to new years.

remember, these are the same idiots who are buying up the guns and ammo. gonna be a lot of toeless morans in the "e r" before it's over.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:01 AM
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2. How disheartening...
I'm hoping that these neanderthals will come to their senses once they see how much better the country is doing with Obama as President...

Yikes.

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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:06 AM
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3. My dear CaliforniaPeggy
They will never come to their senses.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:01 AM
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25. Contrary to popular belief...
...the Neanderthals were actually quite developed. At some Cro-Magnon sites neanderthal bones have been discovered which were obviously exposed to heat and exhibited teeth marks; suggesting that they were occasionally on the menu.

In a way I am happy about the overt nature of the racism we are seeing now because it will make it easier to root it out and punish those who cross the line (and they should be punished). On the other hand, it saddens me that we even have to have this conversation. The U.S. still has a long way to go.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:12 AM
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4. And this is the "Family Values" crowd, the MORAL majority.
They are spoiling for a fight.
They are too stupid to understand that they are outnumbered and outgunned.
They want to keep on pushing?
Wait until we push back.
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:18 AM
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5. What illusion?
You didn't seriously believe that everyone was going to come together and do sing a longs by a campfire because we elected Obama? I guess I'm too cynical but I didn't spend a minute thinking that it would be anything other than business as usual for racists across the country once Obama won.

Fortunately law enforcement is of the same thinking.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:54 AM
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8. Yeah, I knew this shit would happen
When a black person makes history, the racists always come out of the woodwork to promote violence and hatred.

That's why I'm glad the Secret Service is being especially vigilant.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:07 AM
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10. The illusion spurred by media and other members of society...
Edited on Sun Nov-16-08 01:08 AM by misanthrope
...in the last week, the belief that maybe things can get better, maybe we are changing.
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:30 AM
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12. We are changing on some levels
And on others not so much.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:19 AM
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29. Calling it "the illusion" is how racism-deniers are trying to save face...
Kind of like "I don't think anybody could have anticipated...".
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:40 AM
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6. Why does this have only 1 rec???
The SPLC does yoeman's work for the cause.

-Hoot
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:54 AM
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7. The majority of people transcended the past
There are lots still behind us all. Most of the people will find some new target for their blame about their lives or will be resigned. The truly hateful ones will go behind bars like bigots of every age.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:40 AM
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13. I hope when they become resigned
They just kill themselves. I am sick to death of anything right wing.I am tired of their same old shit,and it IS always that same old shit,shit we need to pressure to change or die..I am sick of conservatives and their stupid orders and classes beliefs,the fundies,the racists,sexists,homophobe,bullies, compulsive greed heads, the ASSHOLES.
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MN Farmer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 04:46 AM
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18. Hatred and Anger
Seem to be on the rise everywhere.

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:34 AM
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23. for me it is more frustration
and when I get frustrated it sounds like anger on a keyboard.
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MN Farmer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:52 PM
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31. Good Excuse
For wishing death upon someone.

An attitude like that makes one no better than the lunatics on the other side who wish Obama dead.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:06 AM
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9. This highlights a fundamental flaw in our corporate media
Edited on Sun Nov-16-08 01:07 AM by RufusTFirefly
We are witnessing the death cries of a handful of dying dinosaurs. But because action and violence -- not contentment, jubilation, and quiet affirmation -- earn you the top spot in the local news ("if it bleeds, it leads"), the message of these few desperate bigots has been magnified by the media megaphone.

Make no mistake: Obama's victory has by no means erased the ugly stain of racism from this country. But it has helped to marginalize the more obvious racist fanatics, hateful pathetic people who are doing their best to keep their message of intolerance alive just a little bit longer before it eventually dies out.


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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:28 AM
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11. conservatism is a social disease
Edited on Sun Nov-16-08 01:36 AM by undergroundpanther
manifested in people with a sociopath,authoritarian or narcissistic personality type.They do not want to be fair,open-minded, just, share or change.They want the old days they romanticize where THEY had control and could hurt whomever they wanted to and NO ONE stood against them.They hate Obama because they realise the 'old days' will be dead,like the 'conservative' culture..Racists and other conservative beliefs like"family values" are based in the belief in social orders and classes.Randing from the divine rights of kings that they obey blindly down the social hierarchy to the deviants or minorities they kick.Racists and those like them are just a bunch of weak,insecure,abusive,bullies.I say bullies because of their fear of LOSING(everything is a zero sum equation) and habitual abusiveness are terrified of losing any power over people they want to label inferior..Because they so fear the repercussions from their actions they NEVER want to be held responsible for what they are and how they HARM others.They want to be abusive racist shits and get away with it.
And that is why these racist shitheads are crawling out of the woodwork.It is the death throes of the right wing,and like a hookworm infestation it is harmful or potentially deadly until it is cut off and the bigot's passive/apathetic kind of influence is removed from the host(society) keeping it alive(enablers,the people that think that racism is over etc).
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:55 AM
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14. Panther, I'd say that analysis of conservatives is a LOT over the top. I know many conservatives
who do not fit the description you wrote. Many of my friends and family members are conservatives. They certainly have their faults just like most liberals I know. But, by and large, they are decent people who have a narrowly prescribed set of beliefs based on their life experience. Most of them are not weak, insecure, abusive, bullies or parasites. They are honest, hard-working, taxpaying, generous, loving, and mostly fun to be around. But their politics are way different from mine. It's always dangerous to place labels on groups of people, especially when you're very angry, which you appear to be. You are referring to a small percentage of conservatives who DO fit into the box you've outlined.

For a bit of perspective look at the number of Americans who voted for McCain. Of those 58 million plus people, how many of them were among the rabid anti-Obama types? Judging by the crowds at the rallies for McCain and Palin, I'd say that they probably represent a small fraction of the party. That's not to say that the rest of the Republicans who voted for McCain weren't unhappy with Obama's win, but they aren't going to go out and beat up a black person because they are so pissed off.

Those assholes who are doing the despicable acts against Obama supporters and who are hoping something terrible happens to our President-elect remind me of the idiots I knew who cheered and clapped when John Kennedy was assassinated. They were a small minority in a very conservative, Republican area. The rest of the folks were stunned and outraged even though they did not like Kennedy as President.

It's an unfortunate reality that there will always be enough crazies in the population to make it miserable for the rest of us. Right now I am hoping that the Secret Service is at the top of its game. It wouldn't hurt for there to be a couple of high-profile busts of some of these fascist fringe nuts to knock the edge off the rest of them.

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 04:18 AM
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16. "nice"??
<Many of my friends and family members are conservatives. They certainly have their faults just like most liberals I know. But, by and large, they are decent people who have a narrowly prescribed set of beliefs based on their life experience. >

Ok Do any of these "nice" conservatives believe:

That women should be FORCED to give birth?

What part of a narrow life experince does that fit into? Because rape and domestic abuse happens everywhere.

That gays should not be allowed to marry each other?

I guess they never met a gay person up close,or the gay person didn't want to hear any crap so they didn't let on they were gay around them perhaps?

That poor people should pull themselves up and quit asking for help from the government??
Poor bashing is a pastime of "fiscal*snort* conservatives" that are running the country into a debt hole we will leave for future generations to fix.

Do they believe a CEO deserves multi million dollar golden parachutes because they"earned" it?
Horatio? Algier,Horaaatioooo?

Do they believe America is founded on christianity?
(nuff said)

Do they"disapline" their own children with a belt?
(because the bible says to)

Do they believe in the myth of "authority"?

Do they question conservatism,family values or other such right wing toxic spew?

Do the women"nice" conservatives defer to their husbands?
Tolerate being interrupted,do alot more housework and other 'traditionally womanly"tasks? etc.

Do they understand what conservatism IS??

Do you know what it IS?
Find out.
What do conservatives conserve?
http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html

So good these"nice" people are..NOT.

Knowing what I know about what conservatism is and what is stands for,I must conclude either they are not all that nice or they are fucking stupid and do not know WHY their own belief system is about and believe it anyway,even if it is ethically bankrupt and wrong,because they will not think or step out of the lemmings and back away from the cliff.There is no rational or humane reason to be a conservative in this world.
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MN Farmer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 05:06 AM
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19. I think you're confused.....
On terminology-you've confused "radical christian" and "republican" with "conservative".....

True conservatives of today are much closer to libertarianism than they are to the republican party.

I consider myself a social liberal (do what you want, but don't force me to do it), while being fiscally conservative (if there's a good reason to spend taxpayer money on this, then fine, but there should be a good reason).

Ok Do any of these "nice" conservatives believe:

That women should be FORCED to give birth?

What part of a narrow life experince does that fit into? Because rape and domestic abuse happens everywhere.


I believe that people should be free to do what they want in the case of birth control, it's not my body, it's not my decision, but also feel that I shouldn't have to pay for it.


That gays should not be allowed to marry each other?

I guess they never met a gay person up close,or the gay person didn't want to hear any crap so they didn't let on they were gay around them perhaps?


Once again, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with whomever they want, but if you're going to parade down main street, at least put some pants on, and do it on a day that doesn't screw up business, the rest of us have work to do.

Every time I have met a gay person that announces this, my standard response has been "OK, that's cool" Many seem to have a problem with that....they WANT a fight......I could care less what they like to do, or who they want to do it with.

That poor people should pull themselves up and quit asking for help from the government??
Poor bashing is a pastime of "fiscal*snort* conservatives" that are running the country into a debt hole we will leave for future generations to fix.


I have no problem giving some a helping hand, as long as they take that help and use it to better their lot in life. I'll buy anyone a meal, some shoes, warm clothes, but I'm not going to give you cash to spend on drugs or alcohol.

A handup is what people need, not a handout. Teach that person to fish, don't give them a fish.

Without education and skills that can be put to good use, society has gained nothing.

Do they believe America is founded on christianity?
(nuff said)


If you actually study Christianity and the teachings of Christ, you will see that he would be a Democrat-he always stopped to help the sick, gave of what little he had to those who had nothing, preached that we should take care of the least among us, and most of all, forgiveness. Carrying a grudge is one of the worst things a Christian can do.

See, bigotry and hatred knows no bounds, and as long as we continue to hate and stereotype everyone as "with us or against us", we will continue to have problems as a nation.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:31 AM
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20. Some of these people you obviously consider ethically bankrupt and wrong, spent weeks
volunteering and helping people clean up and rebuild after Katrina. Some of them spent many of their dollars and hours working to clean up the homes of people flooded after Hurricane Floyd devastated eastern North Carolina in '98. Did you?

I know conservatives who voted for Obama this election because they have come to see their party's actions as being destructive to our country. They still don't believe in the things that many of us liberals believe in, but they do want a better America. Are they still evil conservatives?

Your hatred for "conservatives" and anyone who disagrees with you is obvious, so I'll just leave you to your own poisonous fantasties about the evil "others", since nothing I'd say would change your mind.


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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 01:58 AM
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15. "Hundreds" of incidents
in a nation of 350 million isn't so bad. It sucks that it still exists, but we've come a long way.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 04:22 AM
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17. Let's give the isolated hate some attention...why don't we!
Millions of folks in this country...but of course, we aren't living in a Utopia.

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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:32 AM
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21. No wonder the rest of the world views us as fat and stupid.
It's because most idiot Americans ARE.
Duckie
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:33 AM
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22. Alot of stupid
Sick of the fat bashing.
Americans are fat I think because many are on medications and guess what the most common side effect is? Weight gain.I think people in America are less happy and have less ability to deal with others in a fulfilling intimate friendship way.Also we have been conditioned to be like this somewhat. Some can fight it better than others.Being fat sometimes has nothing to do with gluttony.So quit the fat bashing. It's the same shit the racists do.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:28 PM
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27. Oh my God. I AM Fat.
I was just saying what the rest of the world says about Americans!...
See picture below of me skipping rocks:

Duckie
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MN Farmer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:09 AM
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28. There's no excuse for stupid........
Being close minded and filled with anger is the key building blocks to ignorance, and ignorance is one the key building blocks of hatred.

Blind hatred accomplishes nothing but destroying one's own health (mentally and physically), reducing one's quality of life, and in general, making one's existence miserable.

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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:44 AM
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24. Historicaily, It's typical for people to get more violent when a minority group makes gains.
It will die down eventually. I just hope no-one gets hurt....
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:47 AM
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26. Authoritarians believe that they have a complete handle on the truth
and feel very threatened by people who disagree.

Authoritarians are not that far from people with paranoia, psychologically, and I think we can all agree that it's not unreasonable for someone to break down and react violently to a constant, oppressive threat. That the threat is in their minds doesn't matter - to them it's real.

Watch the authoritarians at DU - there are a lot of them here. When someone suggests that their beliefs are flawed, they don't defend them in a calm, rational way - they get angry. How DARE anyone not fall into line!?!
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:21 AM
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30. These people could buy a clue
Had not GWB went a bankrupt the whole God damned country
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