Repubs want Sarah Palin in 2012, same as if Dems picked...

[rfranklin]

Rasmussen Reports 11-17-08

"Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, including 65% who say their view is Very Favorable. Only eight percent (8%) have an unfavorable view of her, including three percent (3%) Very Unfavorable.

"When asked to choose among some of the GOP’s top names for their choice for the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, 64% say Palin. The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year -- Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2012/69_of_gop_voters_say_palin_helped_mccain

So which candidates would be the equivalent if nominated by the Democrats?

[galaxy21]

1. In fairness, republicans thought Hillary was unelectable as well

But I think we can agree if she'd won the nomination, she probably would have won the election.


Really, I just don't want that woman anywhere near the presidancy. Even if we're sure she'll ensure Obama's reelection...

[Buzz Clik]

2. There's a huge list of popular Dems who could NEVER get elected president. We could start with Biden

Kucinich
Ted Kennedy
Boxer
Feinstein
Hillary Clinton

There's also a long list of Dems are more respected outside of DU than within:
Reid
Pelosi
Rahm

Not that any of them could be elected president...

[galaxy21]

3. If the most liberal guy in the senate could get elected, almost any democrat could

Biden and Kucinich are probably more electable than Obama, in a way. They're both white and male, after all. Although Kucinich might be seen as too much of a kook.

[Berry Cool]

4. But are we just talking about unelectability here?

Electability is a fluid quality. Candidates can go from electable to unelectable in the wink of an eye (hmm, bad metaphor, maybe).

But anyway, I think that when we search for a Dem equivalent to Sarah Palin, we need more than mere unelectability. We need a special degree of Teh Stupid. And I'm not sure ANY Dem candidate embodies that quality the way Sarah Palin does.

[galaxy21]

10. You had 55 million willing to have her as president

Really, I think she is electable, despite what people seem to think. yeah, she's dumb. But a lot of people like that about her. They want someone like them.

Besides, the exit polls show she wasn't a negative on the ticket (I was quite shocked at that myself, but that's what they say)

[mondo joe]

5. What do you think makes Obama the most liberal guy in the senate?

Seriously.

[TommyO]

7. Right-wing talking points!

That's the only time and place he's been the most liberal member of the Senate.

[galaxy21]

8. Hey, I'd consider a good thing even if he was

But Obama's definetly left of the left (even if it has been exaggerated by fox), and he still got elected. Bill Clinton had to do go along and watch executions to convince people he's was conservative enough. Jimmy Carter had to make a big deal out of teaching sunday school to get elected. And they were both put foward (partly) because they were from the south.


Liberal isn't the dirty word that it used to be.

[mondo joe]

9. I still want to know what makes you think he's the most liberal guy in the senate.

Thanks.

[galaxy21]

11. Barack said himself he was (although he did say themagazine that did the poll measured it wrong)

So, techincally, he was listed as that, even if it was judged incorrectly.

[mondo joe]

12. I'm asking you why you think he is the most liberal.

Thanks.

[galaxy21]

13. "I'm asking you why you think he is the most liberal."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama

No offense, but to take an off handed remark (that I didn't even mean in a bad way) and turn it into a big argument says more about you than it does about me.

[mondo joe]

15. Which of his policies do you think puts him to the left of most Democrats in the Senate?

Are you able to articulate why you say what you say?

[TankLV]

20. YOU NEVER ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!

And WE "take offense" at your trying to dance around and ignore the subject and then get all PISSY about it!!!

ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION OR GET OUT!

[galaxy21]

21. Great, another keyboard warrior

Seriously, do you talk to anyone in your life like that? I hope you don't. (reported)


To clarfiy: I should have probably said 'he is seen as the most liberal senator' rather than he is. I probably misspoke there. I do think Barack is liberal, and I wouldn't label him a moderate just yet (nobody's really sure whether he is going to govern from the left or the middle, Bill Clinton tried to do that initially, but had to change after '94).


My point was it didn't matter that he wasn't seen as conservative, he still got elected. So, throwing a liberal label at a politician doesn't mean what it used to. So, within reason, no democrat should fear that being liberal makes them unelectable(apart from maybe someone like Kucinich who is seen as kind of kooky.)

[TommyO]

16. Barack Obama is pretty darned centrist

That's not a bad thing, consider the far-right shift that this country has taken over the past eight years with chimpy in charge. Practically everybody is left of the bar that * has set.

[galaxy21]

24. I think he's trying to be a moderate, but I do think he's liberal more than anything (thank God)

Whenever he tries to come off as conservative on things like gay marriage and the death penalty he doesn't really seem convincing. I think both him and Hillary have no problem with gay marriage personally, but they can't say that or they'll never get elected.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a moderate. Moderates don't get anything done, because they're too busy trying to please both sides. The right already hates Barack, and they're not going him to give him a chance anyway, so why bother? People are moving away from the right anyway. He can be a liberal president, and still get re-elected in 4 years.

I don't know why there is all the emphanis on being a moderate. The worst thing the republicans ever did was convince people that being a liberal was a bad thing. And it seems some people on here bought into it as well.

[TankLV]

19. "Left of the left". Hardly. Stop spewing repuke talking points...

Obama is MODERATE at best.

And that's a FACT.

[galaxy21]

22. read my response to your above post

[spanone]

6. it only proves how partisanship totally fucks up the brain

[norepubsin08]

14. Tim Mahoney

[davekriss]

17. Lurleen Brigham Wallace

Lurleen Brigham Wallace was elected governer of Alabama in 1966. She was a housewife. An important housewife, mind you, as she served as First Lady to George Wallace when he was governer the previous four years.

In Alabama at the time, you could not be elected governor for two successive terms. So arch segregationist and race-baiting hate-mongerer George Wallace, a dixiecrat, had his wife run and when she won served as de facto governer while she attended to the drapery and silverware (this was a rightwing household in the sixties deep south, mind you -- repressive, absolute patriarchy reigned).

Things didn't work out for George, though. That cancer that Lurleen's doctor told George about years earlier and that George, because it was politically inconvenient, failed to tell Lurleen about (in the deep south back then doctors told bad news to the husband and didn't deign to tell the stricken wife), well it reared its ugly head in 1968 and Lurleen died in office. (You see, not knowing about it, she did not seek early treatment and thus guaranteed her death -- needless to say she was a little ticked off when she learned that George was told years earlier.) Poor George, all his plotting and the sacrifice of his wife was for nought, as the Lieutenant Governor took over and had the silly idea that he could have a political career of his own and pushed George aside. George took care of Governer Al Brewer in the 1970 campaign by escalating the hate-mogering demogogery. Wallace's campaign in 1970 is considered the most vile in state history.

George was a uber-racist while his wife was an airhead who did what she was told.

Palin is an airhead that does what she wants. Hard to say which is more dangerous.

[and-justice-for-all]

18. They are going to put her up against Obama again??

dumb. Obama will be a 2 term pres.

[rucky]

23. Paris Hilton has a better energy policy. n/t

[Yukari Yakumo]

25. Dennis Kucinich

Face it, this guy is pretty out there.

[galaxy21]

26. I bet he wishes he had kept quiet about the UFO thing now

[cliffordu]

27. Andy Dick

[Vidar]

28. More power to the delusional loons on this one. It's nice when they make it easy for us.

[galaxy21]

29. I really don't think it was be Palin

It seems too obvious.And besides, the republicans don't seem to want her anyway.


And the thought her debating a president is frightening. Hilarious, but frightening.

[Vidar]

31. Probably not, but we can dream.

[suede1]

30. Pauly Shore.

[MiniMe]

32. 91% of Repubicans have a favorable view of Palin?? Really?

I highly doubt that, since many people including dems cited her pick as a main reason they wouldn't vote for McCain.

[opihimoimoi]

33. Palin is Porky Pig AIR HEAD...she is a fraud thingy...pagent/ empty language expert...

Classless ass....