Fox "News": Republican Sen. Kyl Pushing HRC for SOS...(1 more neocon Republican for HRC)

[Faryn Balyncd]

GOP Sen. Kyl: Hillary Clinton Would Be Good Secretary of State

Sen. Hillary Clinton gets an unusual word of support in the running for the secretary of state post against New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson.



WASHINGTON -- The Senate's second-ranking Republican says it wouldn't be a bad idea if President-elect Barack Obama named Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state......

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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/16/gop-sen-kyl-hillary-clinton-good-secretary-state/

Why are Bill Kristol, Lindsey Graham, Henry Kissinger, and now John Kyl all pushing for Hillary Clinton for SOS?





:kick:

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Because they know she'd be a disaster, and the repukes want Obama to fail,

even if it means further fucking over the country.

[amdezurik]

3. and the hate keeps on coming

[Rabrrrrrr]

4. That's what Republicans do, indeed.

Pretty sad that they continue to want to screw over the country, simply to make Democrats look bad.

[amdezurik]

9. in fact I am refering to you

your hatred for "that woman" as you have been programmed for by Flush,Billdo and the Innsanity's of the media to feel...sad really

[Rabrrrrrr]

17. What a stupid pile of nonsense - pull your head out of your ass,

and go look for a brain.

I think the world of Hillary - she's an excellent senator.

You need to find the emotional maturity (that is, a maturity level beyond a toddler) to understand that just because someone thinks a person unqualified for one position doesn't mean that the person is hated.

What utter fucking childeshness.

I hope you find the courage to grow up and join the adults some day.

I have never called her "that woman", nor have I been programmed.

If not for the DU rules I would insult you highly your vapid, ignorant, asshole-like assumptions about my feelings about Clinton, and your even more ignorant, asshole-like assumptions about me being programmed.

You are an offensive person, and you need to grow up.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Then Don't Refer To Rabrrrrrr Like That. It Would Be Incorrect

It's up to you if you wish to remain wrong.
The Professor

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[Whoa20]

2. she's a consensus builder

and bipartisan indeed. I won't be surprised when the polls show an overwhelming majority of Americans in support of her nomination.

[zuul9]

6. mmmuuuuahahahahahahahahhaahaa

[ccharles000]

7. I agree

[firedupdem]

8. I don't care if she gets it or not, I'm just hoping that whoever does,

is good for the administration. We need things to run smoothly. I do wonder why all these repukes feel the need to chime in. Obama doesn't need their fucking help. They've done enough in the last eight years. They can STFU!

[CoffeeCat]

10. Because she's a neocon, and they're neocons...

...and the neocon brigade is crying and freaking out right now--because President Obama
is a man of integrity and honor--who does not share their warmongering, PNAC ideals.

Obama is a threat to this dying breed, and at this point--their only hope of having
any power at all--is having one of their own at the cabinet level.

The neocons can suck it.

Obama's all ready cooly and calmly dealing with the Hillary camp's orchestrated,
and pressure-filled PR campaign to get her the SOS job. A new article in the
NY Times reveals that Bill Clinton is being fully vetted.

HA!

That's how Obama got rid of her as a veep selection. Bill's questionable business
dealings, his undisclosed donor list and other problems--will be quietly mentioned
as reasons why Hillary was not selected.

You've got to hand it to Obama--he's handled this well. The Clinton camp really
had their marketing machine cranked up to Code Red. Today was "have foreign-policy
heavyweights endorse Hillary as SOS" day--and wasn't it nice to see Henry Kissinger
on the tv!

Rest easy, folks. Obama's got it handled. The neocons will just have to accept
their fate, and the fact that Obama is serious change--not more war and more
profits for the military-industrial complex.

GoBama! :woohoo: :)

[Terran]

19. Oh for god's sake

Voting for the Iraq war resolution does not make Hilary a neocon. If that were true almost everyone in the Senate would also be a neocon. Learn to use these terms correctly please.

[harun]

23. She is as neo-con as it gets w'out overtly saying so

Here is some neocon101 for you:

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

Hillary not fall in that camp? Of course she does.

[Terran]

24. Ok, using your own definition...

Neocon 101

What do neoconservatives believe?

"Neocons" believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action.

And her one vote to give Bush war powers puts Clinton within this description. No.

Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough. One such threat, they contend, was Saddam Hussein and his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Since the 1991 Gulf War, neocons relentlessly advocated Mr. Hussein's ouster.

Has Hilary been relentlessly adovocating Hussein's ouster since 1991? I hadn't heard that.

Most neocons share unwavering support for Israel, which they see as crucial to US military sufficiency in a volatile region. They also see Israel as a key outpost of democracy in a region ruled by despots. Believing that authoritarianism and theocracy have allowed anti-Americanism to flourish in the Middle East, neocons advocate the democratic transformation of the region, starting with Iraq. They also believe the US is unnecessarily hampered by multilateral institutions, which they do not trust to effectively neutralize threats to global security.

The first three sentences could, for the most part, describe Barack Obama and almost everyone in Congress, with the exception of "starting with Iraq". What US politician doesn't at least publicly think that about Israel? As for the last sentence, do you really suppose Obama is going to appoint someone with that mindset as Sec State?

Let's face it: she gave tacit support for Bush's invasion of Iraq, along with John Kerry and a host of other Democrats. You're misusing the term "neo-con" to tar and feather her for that one mistake. If you actually believe that Hilary Clinton is the same kind of person, politically, as, say, Bill Kristol, then you are seriously deluded.

[blm]

29. Unlike Kerry, Clinton sided WITH Bush's DECISION to invade. Kerry sided with weapon inspectors

whose reports back were proving force was not needed. IWR voters had a special obligation to hold Bush to the proof from weapon inspections, and I didn't see Clinton standing with Kerry on that....and it was Bill who went on a 3 week booktour in summer 2004 and defended Bush's decision to invade even as the Dem nominee was attacking Bush for his actions.

[harun]

31. Domestically she is different, foreign policy wise she is not.

[CoffeeCat]

25. What in the hell are you talking about?

Hillary Clinton didn't JUST vote for the Iraq war Resolution.

She stood on the Senate floor and spouted off the Bush talking points, saying, "Saddam had
given 'aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.'"

She also voted AGAINST the Levin Amendment--the day before her Iraq war vote. The Levin
amendment required UN approval before force could be authorized.

Our nation was rushing to war, and she knew damn well that Bush would use the vote
to go to war. The Levin Amendment could have curtailed Bush's rush to war. Hillary
said 'no.'

Hillary also voted for Kyl/Lieberman--which defined an arm of the Iranian military--
"a terrorist organization." This vote was symbolic. Bush had just begun ramping up
his propaganda campaign against Iran. The administration was ready to go to war, but
they needed to sell the American people--just like they did with Iraq. Kyl/Lieberman
was a publicity plank that allowed Bush to tout that he would be fighting "a terrorist
organization."

Many Democrats and Republicans spoke out against Kyl/Lieberman--because it greased Bush's Iran-war
propaganda machine.

I'd also like to remind you that the neocon Project For a New American Century--sent a letter
to then-President Clinton in January of 1998. They begged him for war with Iraq. The letter was signed by
Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Bolton and other neocons--who later rose to powerful positions
in the Bush Administration.

(Copy of the neocon letter to Bill Clinton) http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Fast forward to 2002. These same neocons ask again--for the same war with Iraq. They'd been shopping
around this war--looking for a buyer---for YEARS. They finally found an opening--when 9/11
allowed them to justify just about anything.

Bill knew. Hillary knew. She knew damn well that these insidious criminals wanted war for years--and that they
were lying--to get the war they'd wanted for years. Yet, she stood on the Senate floor--repeating
neocon talking points, and gee--- NEVER, EVER MENTIONING THE LETTER THE NEOCONS SENT HER HUSBAND IN 1998.

I am so sick and tired of people turning a blind eye to the facts about Hillary Clinton and touting
her as some kind of respectable person. If you like the corruption and warmongering
that has sunk our country during the past eight years--then I guess she's your hero.

Wake up, please!

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. Ever think the Repubs might be dabbling in a little reverse psychology?

Maybe they know that Hillary would be a success at SOS, and they want to sink her chances with the progressive blogosphere? With all the Repukes coming out in support of her, will naturally create suspicion among those of us who want to do the exact opposite of what they want. That being said, I still like Bill Richardson for the post.

[Sophree]

12. Iraq War

I just had a depressing thought- what if it's all about the continuation of the Iraq War. SOS would have to be heavily involved with any negotiations in handing Iraq back to the Iraqis.

I hope I'm wrong. I want to give Sen. Clinton the benefit of the doubt and feel confident that she'll be on the same page re: Obama's foreign policy.

I just have a sick feeling of- I don't know what. Foot-dragging, in-fighting.

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

[TexasObserver]

13. The GOP just took a beat down, and you're wondering why some are playing nice?

Politicians do things that serve THEIR interest. When the GOP figures say something positive about Hillary, it's because they think it will serve their political purposes, but not necessarily in the direct manner you might envision. They're thinking about votes, in the case of Kyl or Graham.

Kissinger knows she's going to get it, and he's simply getting his name out there, because he's very active representing foreigners.

Kristol? Who knows? He got burned pretty badly on the Palin-McCain ticket, and is probably licking his wounds.

[salin]

15. guessing that they assume that her replacement

named by the gov. would be able to be 'picked off' in a general election in a couple of years by Rudy.

It doesn't make sense, but this is from some of the same folks who think Palin is going to be the face of the GOP going forward.

[AtomicKitten]

14. She's their only hope to keep the neocon dream alive.

Kyl also promised to filibuster all of Obama's Supreme Court nominees.

Nuff said. :puke:

[CoffeeCat]

27. Yep, the neocons are scrambling...

I am astounded that any reasonable person would need to see more evidence regarding
Hillary's neocon alliances.

These corrupt warmongers assumed they had it in the bag--with neocon McCain on the right
and neocon Hillary on the left. They were assured continuation of their scheme to widen
their war and continue with their corruption and greed.

Now, they're trying to claw and scratch their way into Obama's cabinet--because it's all
that they've got.

I like Obama's strategy. After the Clintons launched this "Hillary as SOS" campaign
in the media, Obama launches his own with, "Bill Clinton is now being vetted" meme.

Bill Clinton's weaknesses were publicly touted as the reason why Hillary was not
selected as VP. Once again, the Obama camp will use these points to overcome
the Clinton camp trying to intimidate and manipulate him into picking Hillary
for SOS.

I'm so sick and tired of the Clintons and their game playing. Hillary could be
a fine NY Senator and a force for change, if she's just stop behaving like a
sociopathic bully who plays dirty. It's really getting old.

[AtomicKitten]

30. from the Obama camp:

I completely agree with you. :hi:

from ClarkUSA's post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7881371&mesg_id=7881371

Team Obama, after all but offering SecState to Senator Clinton, is expressing EXASPERATION with the Clinton camp for the difficulty in getting a clean vet on President Bill Clinton’s many entanglements. “The ball is very much in her court, but the president's finances have been a major point of sensitivity from day one,” a Democratic official said. (“Day One!”) “Given that everyone's mystified by how deliberately public the Clintons have made this once secret process, the assumption is either that the Clintons are trying to use the public buzz to steamroll their way in, create a sense of inevitability that overcomes those concerns, or that it's just a matter of time before they … satisfy vetting somehow, some way. Otherwise, after all this speculation, there’ll be a permanent dark cloud hanging over her finances. … But generally the sense among the no-drama Obama world is: This is well on its way to winning best Oscar for drama.”

[obiwan]

16. Hillary is an ambitious seasoned politician...

... who is also a world-class liar and an aggressive bully. Perfect for SOS.

[Mari333]

18. The GOP knows that in 2012

the best thing they have going for them is to have Hillary in Obama's camp. Soooo many folks in the GOP base hate the Clintons, especially Hillary, that having her anywhere near Obama now will assure them a lot of votes down the road.
Thats yet another reason I would rather not see Hillary on Obamas team. Her presence would be poison to his campaign in more ways then one.

[LynneSin]

22. So what the hell was Hillary doing these past 3 months?

She was already in Obama's campaign out there campaigning heavily for him.

[Mari333]

26. yes,and that was to drag back her own constituents into the party again

The GOP, imo, may be wrong on this one now. and maybe I am wrong, I agree. But they know there is a base out there who hates her, and the GOP wants to keep that base alive by backing her as part of the Obama team. I would personally like no one on Obama's team that backed the Iraq war, but perhaps Obama is keeping his friends close and his enemies closer. we shall see
peace

[NNN0LHI]

20. Of course if they didn't want her as SOS they would be forthright and say so

The Republicans are such a truthful bunch. Right?

Don

[immoderate]

28. I don't see Hillary as the best choice for SOS.

And I am automatically suspicious of anything Kyl says. He is glib, but an idiot.

I associate Hillary more with power than with diplomacy. I see her as a triangulator rather than a healer. Her Senate war votes were more mindful of her future political bid for the presidency than what was good for the country. For now, I would go with a diplomat.

--IMM

[LeFleur1]

32. When I Read Shit Like This

About Hillary it almost (almost) makes me wish she and Bill had stayed home and not campaigned for Obama. Kinda like cutting off my nose to spite my face.
He'd have had a hell of a time getting all those people who know Hillary's voting record and supported her, to come around to voting for him, Some people on here are showing their ignorance...again.

Obama himself knows all about Hillary. I guess that's why I voted for him. Because he is better and smarter than his supporters on here by a long shot. Hillary voted with Obama (or he with her) on nearly every issue as long as he was in the Senate. He wasn't there for the vote to give Bush the choice to go to war if necessary, so we don't know what he would have done. We DO know he voted for every Iraq funding bill except while he was running for President. The same one she didn't vote for.

Just for the record, Hillary has traveled extensively, she knows every head of state on a first name basis, she has respect. She'd be good at the job. If she doesn't get it, that's okay too, because she's an excellent liberal Senator.

[immoderate]

33. I have some reservations about Obama too.

Many Democrats voted against the war resolution. A majority of House Democrats did. I think it's clear that Hillary did it for political reasons, unless she thought Saddam was an imminent threat to the US, or a member of al Qeada. She's surely smarter than that. You really think that Hillary didn't know that Bush had an agenda, and wanted to go to war no matter what?

Barack voted for war funding for political reasons too. If he hadn't, he wouldn't be president.

I like Hillary in the Senate. (I'm a former New Yorker.) I don't think SOS is a good fit for her. I would prefer someone more associated with diplomacy.

--IMM