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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:52 AM
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UAW Faces Prospect Of More Concessions
NOVEMBER 17, 2008

UAW Faces Prospect Of More Concessions
By MATTHEW DOLAN and JOHN D. STOLL
WSJ


The United Auto Workers is holding the line against wage and benefit cuts, but it may not be able to escape further concessions if it hopes to get the government to bail out Detroit. Even labor's closest allies are coming out publicly to say the UAW must pitch in to sway a wary public and convince skeptical members of Congress that federal assistance for General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC is a good investment for taxpayers.

Robert Reich, who was labor secretary under President Bill Clinton and is an adviser to President-elect Barack Obama, said the union should expect to accept broad wage and benefit cuts to assure Congress that an outlay of public dollars is essential. UAW President Ron Gettelfinger's challenge in the 2007 contract talks was to get workers to accept large-scale concessions he knew had to be made. He is increasingly likely to be put in that spot again, to make his membership comfortable with givebacks once unfathomable to the 150,000 U.S. auto workers he represents.

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"This industry is in a crisis situation not of its own making," Mr. Gettelfinger said, blaming the mortgage crisis, credit crunch and financial-sector meltdown for the auto sector's condition. But that argument is increasingly falling on deaf ears in Washington. Sen. Richard Shelby (R., Ala.) said on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday that investing in U.S. auto makers is "money wasted" if they don't fundamentally change the way they do business. "It's throwing money down the drain and it won't work in the long run," Sen. Shelby said. "It's postponing the inevitable." Sen. Carl Levin (D., Mich.) countered that government actually made money on the Chrysler bailout in the 1970s. The government would lose $200 billion in taxes if the Big Three downfall led to the loss of three million jobs, Sen. Levin said.

At stake for union workers could be more than 70 years of collective-bargaining gains, according to labor and bankruptcy experts. In the public's mind, "the UAW has an embarrassment of riches," said Gary Chaison, a professor of labor relations at Clark University in Worcester, Mass. "It has to show some flexibility to show that it is serious about a multibillion-dollar bailout."

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One person close to the UAW said the union may have some flexibility in delaying the cash payments the auto makers committed to pay in 2010. GM alone owes the union $7 billion for its health-care trust fund, but it probably won't have the money to pay. Bankruptcy is "the worst possible route that any of these companies could go down," Mr. Gettelfinger said in an interview Saturday. The union believes the auto makers wouldn't be able to recover from a bankruptcy filing and would have to "liquidate everything," he said. In a bankruptcy, the UAW could only expect to see a "mild advantage" over other unsecured creditors in relation to preserving contracts made before the filing, according to Mark Bane, a bankruptcy attorney with Ropes & Gray in New York.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122679146976431189.html (subscription)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:24 AM
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1. Is this the start of union busting?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:30 AM
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2. More like the endgame.
;(
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:17 AM
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5. buy low sell high..
get rid of the unions and gm becomes an attractive buy. squeeze every dollar out of what is left of the us manufacturing base
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:34 AM
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3. Have to "pitch in" for the home team, do they? Didn't I just hear uaw pres saying "no concessions"?
"but it may not be able to escape further concessions if it hopes to get the government to bail out Detroit. Even labor's closest allies are coming out publicly to say the UAW must pitch in"


Oh, wait, the pattern is: talk tough, call a one day symbolic strike, go into secret negotiations, concede.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:12 AM
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4.  universal healthcare would solve the problem of healthcare costs
the rest of the industrial nations have universal healthcare which free up the auto companies from that debt. american auto companies that produce cars in those countries
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:44 PM
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6. ...but...but...that is SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!!!!
:silly:

It has become a joke when you realize how much the American citizens are paying for health care...IT would definitely be less per capita if everyone had an increase in taxes to cover Universal healthcare, and the burden was removed from employers and private citizens.

As long as insurance companies can influence the govt, it will never happen, and we will all have to suffer.
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:53 PM
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13. Universal Health Care
I actually think this is a good time for one of the members of Congress to introduce an universal healthcare bill.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:54 PM
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7. As They Should. If GM Is To Survive It's A No Brainer That They Have To. They're Part Of The
problem too.

If GM is to become viable, then there absolutely has to be more concessions from the UAW. They aren't as big of a problem as the mismanagement and shitty business plan, but they're still problematic enough. It makes perfect sense that they'd have to have some serious talks of concessions.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:01 PM
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8. The UAW should buy GM, fire the top 5 layers of management, dump
GM's non auto related business.

This is looking more like union busting.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:07 PM
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9. "looking more like union busting"
It is exactly what it is...blame everything on the workers when the CEOs are the real culprits.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:23 PM
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10. Excellent suggestion
It is time for the people who are actually doing the work - in factories or in hospitals and clinics - to be adequately compensated, instead of the "executives" shuffling papers.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:28 PM
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11. What would that take, numbers-wise?
Could it actually be done? (in more than the "just keep waiting for the stock to drop more" sense)
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:50 PM
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12. Looks like it could be had for less than 2 billion. 1/10th of the bailout
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 03:52 PM by dkofos
# shares 610,500,000
Price/share $3.00
Market Capitalization 1.95 Bil
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:08 PM
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14. Then the UAW should propose that as a counter to calls for concessions
They certainly need something that will cut through the media foamfest directed at them.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:09 PM
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15. That would get the attention of management for sure.
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