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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:17 AM
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Huckabee needs to be FLOODED with mail....gays haven't crossed the "violence threshold"
This was on Huff Post linking to the towleroad:

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/11/huckabee-gays-n.html

(There's a video of his View segment at the link.)

HUCKABEE: GAYS HAVEN'T CROSSED 'CIVIL RIGHTS' VIOLENCE THRESHOLD
Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee was on The View today talking about same-sex marriage and declaring that gay rights are not civil rights because gays have not had violence inflicted upon them like Blacks have.

Said Huckabee: "People who are homosexuals should have every right in terms of their civil rights, to be employed, to do anything they want. But that’s not really the issue. I know you talked about it and I think you got into it a little bit early on. But when we’re talking about a redefinition of an institution, that’s different than individual civil rights. We’re never going to convince each other...But here is the difference. Bull Connor was hosing people down in the streets of Alabama. John Lewis got his skull cracked on the Selma bridge."

No doubt Harvey Milk, Matthew Shepard, Teish Cannon, and the thousands of other victims of anti-gay hate crimes would beg to differ, if they could. As Think Progress notes, "Huckabee’s lame violence threshold is nothing more than a shoddy attempt to conceal his deep and fundamental homophobia."

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I did a quick search and found some info (posted below). If you know of better stats, PLEASE post them here and send the information to Huckabee! What an idiot.

Anyone have a better email address?

Huckabee's site contact form: http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?fa=Contact.Home
Another Huc PAC site with various email address, a phone number & snail mail address (for the PAC): http://www.huckpac.com/?FuseAction=ContactUs.Home
His Facebook page (links to all of his websites): http://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabee

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(snips below)

Note that not all states categorize attacks on GLBT as "hate crimes" so the stats are likely way higher than this. We've also all seen many instances when crimes weren't categorized as "hate crimes" and should have been.


http://www.pinke.biz/news/435/FBI-Report-Shows-Gay-Hate-Crimes-Up-for-Third-Year-In-a-Row/

FBI Report Shows Gay Hate Crimes Up for Third Year In a Row

Tuesday 28th October 2008

A new FBI report has revealed that while the number of hate crimes overall in the United States have dropped, hate crimes against homosexuals have risen.

Hate crimes based on sexual orientation, including all gays, lesbians and bisexuals and some attacks on transgender individuals that were based on the assumption the victim was gay, rose to 1,265. That’s an increase of about 6% from 2006.

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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jiCYFjVwQeFwkeHYaoBqXN7Z76sAD9435DU80

FBI: Hate crime down in 2007 but anti-gay crime up
By MATT APUZZO – Oct 27, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hate crimes incidents decreased slightly last year despite a surge in those targeting gays and lesbians.
The FBI reported more than 7,600 hate crimes incidents in 2007, down about 1 percent from the previous year. The decline was driven by decreases in the two largest categories of hate crimes — crimes against race and religion.
But incidents linked to prejudice against sexual orientation, the third-largest category, increased about 6 percent, the report found.

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http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32353

Violence Against Gays and Lesbians

Although the prevalence of anti-gay and lesbian violence is not fully known on a national scale, studies are providing detailed statistics on its possible extent:

Anti-gay and lesbian incidents increased 8 percent from 1999 to 2000. Serious injuries resulting from these incidents decreased by forty-one percent (Moore, 2001).
In 1999, the FBI reported that there were 1,317 incidents of violence based on sexual orientation. Of those, anti-male homosexuality violence characterized sixty-nine percent of the incidents (Federal Bureau of Investigation, 2000).
Approximately one-half of perpetrators are age twenty-one or younger. (Comstock, 1991).
A campus survey reported that 61 percent of the gay/lesbian respondents feared for their safety as their orientation would be used as a reason for violence. (Herek, Berrill, 1992).
Overview
The victimization of gays and lesbians based upon their sexual orientation includes harassment, vandalism, robbery, assault, rape and murder. The location of these crimes is not restricted to dark streets leading from gay establishments. Violence against gays and lesbians occurs everywhere: in schools, the workplace, public places and in the home. Those who commit these acts come from all social/economic backgrounds and represent different age groups (National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Safety and Fitness Exchange, Lance Bradley and Kevin Berrill, 1986.)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people

In the United States, the FBI reported that 15.6% of hate crimes reported to police in 2004 were founded on perceived sexual orientation. 61% of these attacks were against gay men, 14% against lesbians, 2% against heterosexuals and 1% against bisexuals, while attacks against GLBT people at large made up 20%.<3> Violence based on perceived gender identity was not recorded in the report.
In the United States, the FBI reported that for 2006, hate crimes against gays increased to 16%, from 14% in 2005, as percentages of total documented hate crimes across the US.<4> The 2006 annual report, released on November 19, 2007, also said that hate crimes based on sexual orientation are the third most common type, behind race and religion.<4>

(At the bottom I've posted individual examples that the Wikipedia article reports.)

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9A0DE7D91638F930A15752C1A960948260

November 23, 1986
VIOLENCE AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS RISING, GROUPS SEEKING WIDER PROTECTION SAY

Attacks on homosexuals appear to have increased sharply around the nation in the last three years as homosexuals have become more vocal in their pursuit of civil rights and more visible because of publicity surrounding the spread of AIDS.

Law-enforcement agencies do not record crimes against homosexuals as a specific category. In several cities, however, homosexuals have formed organizations to document what they say is growing violence against them, to lobby for more protection and to counsel the victims.
.......

David M. Wertheimer, executive director of the New York City Gay and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project, formed in 1980 after a series of gang attacks on homosexuals in Manhattan's Chelsea section, testified that the project had counted 351 incidents, from homicides to verbal attacks, aimed at homosexuals in the first nine months of 1986, as against 167 incidents in that time last year.

So far this year the group has counted 17 homicides where the victim appeared to have been selected because he was a homosexual, Mr. Wertheimer said.

The homosexual rights groups say that homosexuals have always been victims of violence but that the attacks have become more brutal and more frequent and that the assailants have increasingly referred specifically to acquired immune deficiency syndrome, which cripples the body's immune system.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people

Acts of violence alleged or proven to have been inspired by hatred of LGBT victims
The arson of the The Upstairs Lounge in New Orleans, Louisiana on June 24, 1973 killing 32 people.
The stabbing death of Robert Hillsborough in San Francisco, California June 21, 1977 by a man shouting "faggot."
On November 27, 1978, openly gay San Francisco city supervisor Harvey Milk was assassinated by political rival Dan White at San Francisco City Hall, along with Mayor George Moscone. Outrage over Milk's and Moscone's assassinations and the short sentence given to White (7 years) prompted the White Night Riots.<14>
Tennessee Williams was the victim of an assault in January 1979 in Key West, being beaten by five teenage boys. He escaped serious injury. The episode was part of a spate of anti-gay violence inspired by an anti-gay newspaper ad run by a local Baptist minister.<15>
The beating death of Terry Knudsen by three men in Loring Park in Minneapolis, Minnesota on June 5th, 1979.
The beating death of Les Benscoter on June 15, 1979 in his St. Paul, Minnesota apartment with the words, "fags will die" written in toothpaste on his furniture.
The beating of Rick Hunter and John Hanson by Minneapolis police outside the Y'all Come Back Saloon on January 1, 1982. Hennepin County Hospital emergency room staff employees testified in court that the police called the two men queers and sissies while the men were being treated for their injuries.
The beating to death of Declan Flynn in Fairview Park, Dublin in 1983. The murder and subsequent suspended sentences of the perpetrators who pleaded guilty to murder saw the emergence of a more vocal gay community in the aftermath.<16>
The beating death of Charlie Howard in Bangor, Maine in 1984.
On May 13, 1988, Rebecca Wight was killed when she and her partner, Claudia Brenner, were shot by Stephen Roy Carr while hiking and camping along the Appalachian Trail. Carr later claimed that he became enraged by the couple's lesbianism when he saw them having sex. Carr claimed the woman taunted him by having sex in front of him.
The fatal stabbing of James Zappalorti, a gay Vietnam veteran (1945 – 1990)
The death of Julio Rivera in New York City on July 2, 1990 by two men who beat him with a hammer and stabbed him with a knife because he was gay.
The killing of Paul Broussard, a Houston-area banker (1968-1991)
The killing of an unknown homosexual man in Lillehammer, 21st of August, 1992. The police investigations took about a year before Bård Faust, the drummer of the band Emperor, was arrested and convicted of the killing. Apparently the man had suggested gay sex to Faust and after they arrived at a nearby forest, Faust stabbed the man 14 times.
The rape and later murder of Brandon Teena, a transsexual man (1972 – 1993). The events leading to Mr. Teena's death were depicted in the movie Boys Don't Cry.
On March 9, 1995, Scott Amedure was murdered after revealing his homosexual attraction to his friend Jonathan Schmitz on The Jenny Jones Show.
The murders of Roxanne Ellis and Michelle Abdill, a lesbian couple in Medford, Oregon in 1995, by a man who said he thought their "lifestyle" was "sick."
The bombing of the Otherside Lounge, a lesbian nightclub in Atlanta, by Eric Robert Rudolph, the "Olympic Park Bomber," on February 21, 1997; five bar patrons were injured.
The death by beating and exposure of Matthew Shepard, a gay student (1976 – 1998)
The fatal beating of supposedly gay teenager Jeff Whittington in Wellington, New Zealand on May 8, 1999.
In May 1999, Admiral Duncan pub, a gay bar in Soho was bombed by David Copeland, killing at least 2 people and wounding 73 people.<17>
The murder of Pfc Barry Winchell on July 6, 1999. He was dating Calpernia Addams, a transgendered author.
The July 1, 1999, murders of gay couple Gary Matson and Winfield Mowder by white supremacist brothers Matthew and Tyler Williams. Matthew Williams claimed that by killing the couple he was following "obeying the law of God," because he believed homosexuality violated God's laws. Williams said he hoped his actions would inspire further violence against homosexuals and ethnic minorities.
The murder of Steen Fenrich by his stepfather, in September 1999. His dismembered remains were found in March 2001, with the phrase "gay nigger number one" scrawled on his skull along with his social security number.
In November 1999, Blah Bar, a gay bar in Cape Town, South Africa, was bombed injuring 2 people.<18>
The murder of Arthur "J.R." Warren by three teenage boys on July 3, 2000, who believed Warren spread a rumor that he and one of the boys had a sexual relationship. Warren's killers ran over his body to disguise the murder as a hit-and-run.
One notorious incident of gay-bashing occurred on September 22, 2000. Ronald Gay entered a gay bar in Roanoke, Virginia and opened fire on the patrons, killing Danny Overstreet and injuring six others. Ronald said he was angry over what his name now meant, and deeply upset that three of his sons had changed their surname. He claimed that he had been told by God to find and kill lesbians and gay men, describing himself as a "Christian Soldier working for my Lord".<19>
Aaron Webster, a gay man in Vancouver, British Columbia, was beaten to death in Stanley Park in 2001.
On June 16, 2001, Fred Martinez, a transgender student was attacked and beaten to death by 18-year old Shaun Murphy.
On June 30, 2001, hundreds of soccer hooligans attacked participants of the first Serbian Pride Parade in Belgrade.
The 2002 homicide of Nizah Morris, a transgender in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and the mishandling of the case by the Philadelphia Police Department.
The non-fatal stabbing of Bertrand Delanoë, a gay politician, Mayor of Paris, France, in 2002
The killing of Gwen Araujo, a transsexual woman (1985 – 2002). Michael Magidson, Jaron Nabors, and José Merél were charged with the murder as a hate crime, with Jason Cazares charged as an accomplice. Nabors made a deal with prosecution, receiving a manslaughter conviction in exchange for testimony, but his testimony was largely considered unreliable. The jury hung on Cazares, who then pled guilty to voluntary manslaughter to avoid a retrial. Magidson and Merél were convicted of second-degree murder, but the hate crime enhancement was not accepted by the jury.
Sakia Gunn (May 26, 1987-May 11, 2003) was a 15-year old African American lesbian who was murdered in a hate crime in Newark, New Jersey. On the night of May 11, Gunn was returning from a night out in Greenwich Village, Manhattan with her friends. While waiting for the #1 New Jersey Transit bus at the corner of Broad and Market Streets in downtown Newark, Gunn and her friends were propositioned by two men. When the girls rejected their advances, by declaring themselves to be lesbians, the men attacked them. Gunn fought back, and one of the men, Richard McCullough, stabbed her in the chest. Both men immediately fled the scene in their vehicle. After one of Gunn's friends flagged down a passing driver, she was taken to nearby University Hospital, where she died.
On June 17, 2003, Richie Phillips was murdered by Joseph Cottrell. His body was later found in a suitcase, in Rough River Lake. During his trial, Cottrell's relatives testified that he lured Phillips to his death, and killed him because he was gay.
On July 23, 2003, Nireah Johnson and Brandie Coleman were murdered by Paul Moore, when Moore learned after a sexual encounter that Johnson was transgender.
On July 31, 2003, 37-year-old Glenn Kopitske was killed by 17-year-old Gary Hirte. Hirte pleaded insanity, claiming he killed Kopitske in a murderous rage after a consensual sexual encounter with the victim, because he felt a homosexual act was "worse than murder."
On June 5, 2004, Jamaican Gay rights activist Brian Williamson was murdered with a machete, suffering several stab wounds to neck and face.
On September 28, 2004, Sierra Leonean gay and lesbian rights activist FannyAnn Eddy was murdered while she was working late in her office. Her attackers have escaped from prison and have never been recaptured and prosecuted.
On October 2, 2004 two men in Waverly, Ohio beat Daniel Fetty to death with bricks and boards. Prosecuters believe it was because Fetty was gay.
On January 28, 2005, Ronnie Paris, a three-year-old African American child died due to brain injuries resulting from abuse by his father. According to his mother and other relatives, Ronnie Paris, Jr., would slam his son into walls and force him to "slap-box" because he was concerned the child was gay and feared his son would grow up a sissy.
On March 11, 2005, Jason Gage -- an openly gay man -- was murdered in his Waterloo, Iowa apartment by an assailant who claimed Gage had made advances and was killed when he fought with the victim. The district attorney in the case noted neither the victim or the perpetrator, or the apartment bore any signs of struggle. Gage was bludgeoned to death with a bottle, and stabbed in the neck with a shard of glass.
On June 30, 2005, Yishai Shlisel, a Haredi Jew stabbed three marchers in a gay pride parade in Jerusalem, Israel, claiming he acted on behalf of God.<20>
Jody Dobrowski, murdered in 2005 in London, the two murderers were later sentenced to life in prison.
In September 2005, Lauren Harries, a former child antiques expert who had gender realignment surgery to become a woman, her father and brother were attacked by 8 young men in their home in Cardiff. According to court, the youths were shouting and swearing and were heard to shout out the word "tranny" - a term of abuse associated with hate crime.<21>
In December 2005, a Jamaican mob chased an alleged gay man who, fearful of the crowd, jumped into the water and drowned.<22>
In February 2006, Gisberta Salce Júnior, a homeless Brazilian transsexual living in extreme social exclusion in the Portuguese city of Oporto, was tortured and anally raped with sticks over a period of three days and then thrown into a pit and left to die in an abandoned construction site. A group of twelve to fourteen adolescent boys between the age of 12 and 16 admitted to committing this crime.<23>
On February 2, 2006, 18 year-old Jacob D. Robida entered a bar in New Bedford, Massachusetts, confirmed that it was a gay bar, and then attacked patrons with a gun and a hatchet, wounding at least three.<24>
In April 2006, students rioted at the University of the West Indies in Jamaica and attacked an alleged gay student.<22>
On April 6, 2006, two American television producers, CBS Evening News senior producer Richard Jefferson and 48 Hours producer-researcher Ryan Smith, were beaten with a tire iron outside the Sunset Beach Bar on the Caribbean island of St. Maarten by a group of four men and two women. The attack left Smith unable to speak properly, having suffered a skull fracture and brain damage.<25>
On June 10, 2006, Kevin Aviance was robbed and beaten by a group of men who yelled anti-gay slurs at him
On July 30, 2006, six men were brutally beaten after leaving the San Diego, California Gay Pride festival. One of the gay men was beaten so badly that he had to undergo extensive facial reconstructive surgery. All but one of the attackers were adults the exception being a 15-year-old. The attackers were charged with hate crimes.<26>
On October 8, 2006, Michael Sandy was attacked by four heterosexual young men who lured him into meeting after chatting with him online, while they were looking for gay men to rob. Sandy was hit by a car while trying to escape his attackers. He died five days later, never having regained consciousness.
On February 14, 2007, three gay men and the gay activist Gareth Williams were stoned by a huge mob in a homophobic attack in Kingston, Jamaica. International human rights organisations have described Jamaica as one of the most homophobic places in the world<27><28>
On April 8, 2007, approximately 100 men gathered outside a church where 150 people were attending the funeral of a gay man in Mandeville, Jamaica. According to mourners, the crowd broke the windows with bottles and shouted, “We want no battyman funeral here. Leave or else we’re going to kill you. We don’t want no battyman buried here in Mandeville.” <22>
On May 12, 2007, Roberto Duncanson was murdered in Brooklyn, New York. He was stabbed to death by Omar Willock, who claimed Duncanson had flirted with him.
May 16, 2007, Sean William Kennedy, 20, was walking to his car from Brew's Bar in Greenville, SC when Andrew Moller, 18, got out of another car and approached Kennedy. Investigators said that Moller made a comment about Kennedy's sexual orientation, and threw a fatal punch because he didn't like another man's sexual preference.<29>
On May 29, 2007, Michael Marcil, better known as drag queen Dixie Landers was beaten outside of an Ottawa, Ontario gay pub. Andrew Lefebvre and Sheri-Lee Rand have been charged for the attack.<30>
On July 7, 2007, 30 participants at a gay pride event in Croatia were attacked by multiple assailants. The attackers had also prepared Molotov cocktails but were stopped by the police before using them. Many people taking part in Gay Pride marches in Eastern Europe (e.g: Romania, Russia, Serbia) have been beaten after leaving the marches.<31><32>
In September 2007, Osvan Inacio dos Santos, 19, was attacked and murdered in a street near a bar where he had just won the local "Miss Gay" competition in the town of Batingas in northeast Brazil. dos Santos' naked body was found on Sunday morning and forensic examination found his skull had been fractured and indicated sexual assault.<33>
On December 3, 2007, Craig Gee was attacked by four men whilst holding his boyfriend's hand walking down Crown Street in Surry Hills, Sydney, Australia. Part of his skull was reduced to powder and his leg was broken during the attack. <34> This incident prompted a vigil against the rising level of homophobia in the city and alleged apathy from police <35>, and despite the attack, Gee and his boyfriend joined the Chief of Parade Margaret Cho to lead the 2008 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade. <36>
In January, 2008, three gay men were attacked in the privacy of their dwelling by an angry mob who had days before threatened them if they did not leave the community in Mandeville, Jamaica. According to reports, two men were hospitalised, one with serious injuries, while another man is still missing and feared dead.<28><22>
In February 2008, Brazilian gay rights activist Alexandre Peixe dos Santos was attacked and beaten at the Sao Paulo's Gay Pride Association offices in Brazil. Activists estimate that more than 2,680 gay people were murdered in Brazil between 1980 and 2006<37>
In February 2008, transsexual Duanna Johnson was beaten by a police officer while she was held in the Shelby County Criminal Justice Center. Johnson said the officers reportedly called her a “faggot” and “he-she,” before and during the incident.<38><39>. In November 2008, she was found dead in the street, reportedly gunned down by three unknown individuals.<40>
On February 12, 2008, Lawrence "Larry" King, a 15 year old junior highschool student was shot by a classmate at E.O. Green School in Oxnard, California. He was taken off life support after doctors declared him brain dead on February 15. According to Associated Press reports, "prosecutors have charged a 14-year-old classmate with premeditated murder with hate-crime and firearm-use enhancements".<41><42><43>
In Rochester, New York on March 16, 2008 police say Lance Neve was beaten unconscious because Neve was gay. A man attacked Neve at a bar leaving him with a fractured skull, and a broken nose.<44>
In Baltimore County, Maryland on May 29, 2008 eighteen year old Steven Parrish—a member of the Young Swans subgroup of the Bloods—was murdered by Steven T. Hollis III and Juan L. Flythe after they found "gay messages" on his cell phone. They felt having a gay member would make their gang appear weak and that by killing Parrish they could prevent that perception.<45>
September 7, 2008 - Tony Randolph Hunter, 27, and his partner were attacked and beaten near a gay bar in Washington DC. Hunter later died from his injuries on September 18th. Police are investigating it as a possible hate crime.<1><2>
On November 7, 2008 in Newton, NC the home of openly gay Melvin Whistlehunt was destroyed by arsonists. Investigators found homophobic graffiti spray painted on the back of the house. <46>
On November 14, 2008, Moses "Teish" Cannon was shot and killed in Syracuse, NY for being openly gay.<47>





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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:21 AM
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1. Did any of The View gals take him to task?
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:34 AM
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10. Joy did, though it wasn't strong enough....
she said something like there's violence against gays, too. He just went on with a lame violence is wrong no matter what. But he clearly said it's different because of the violence against African Americans and not gays (my words paraphrasing him).
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:22 AM
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2. What a...
wicked man.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:25 AM
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3. And an asshole, to boot.
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mrih Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:28 AM
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4. All of those guys were killed from homophobia, but..
Here's a fundamental difference in Homosexuality .vs Race.

The OUTSIDE appearance is VERY evident in a race, not in an openly gay person.

You notice the hate and phobia felt towards an individual who is gay doesn't show until the one with the phobia finds out the other is gay.

While in the case of say African Americans, they could never just "come out".

Your talking about being repressed from BIRTH !!

I'm not trying to knock down the cause for rights for gays, but I really don't believe the equality struggle is, was, or ever will be as bad as what African Americans endured.

The only way to win the culture war battle for gay rights, is to keep people educated, society will eventually adapt.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:29 AM
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5. It's not a contest between which group has suffered more. Sheesh. n/t
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mrih Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:31 AM
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7. Really
You sure couldn't tell by reading some of the threads around here.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:34 AM
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9. Including your post, hence mine.
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:44 AM
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12. Bigotry cannot be "compared"
It is ALL based on pure evil.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:00 PM
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17. African-American kids don't have to tell their parents that they're AA
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:31 AM
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6. And the "Huckabee seems like a nice guy" needs to remember what he said, he's not a nice
guy he just isn't hyperbolic, he's one of the more dangerous nuts because he tends to fly under the radar.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:32 AM
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8. Huckabee's just as wrong on this as his church/state were in the 1960's.
Back then, Arkansas had a constitution that prohibited marriage between the races and now, thanks to Huck, it has one that prohibits marriage to couples of the same sex. It will take another SCOTUS ruling to get that stupid thing out of here.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:40 AM
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11. Still don't know why some DUers insist on liking this man
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:08 PM
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14. He's more poisonous because he comes off as affable somehow.
What an evil lying sack of sh!t he is. I hope his site crashes. He deserves it.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:07 PM
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19. I am forever baffled by that myself. Being affable on the surface
apparently goes a long way in fooling people here.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:04 PM
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13. Most so-called "religious leaders" on the right are insane
Whether it's Fuck-a-Bee, the Krazy Katholic Kardinal in Baltimore, the entire Mormon Hierarchy, the National Council of Catholic Bishops (individually and as a group), etc.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:15 PM
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15. What a piece of shit
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:40 PM
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16. Huckabee - he must have been a racist in 50s
now that Obama is in white house, he's all for civil liberties.

Ask him what he did to erase the racism he saw around him.

And what is he doing to stop the homophobia?
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:05 PM
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18. It amazes me how ignorant people can be about
what GLBT people go through. Over the years, I've had to explain some things that seem really really obvious, to me, to some very liberal people (my father included--it never occurred to him when I came out that I could not get married).
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