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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:19 PM
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Women's choice advocates need to be aware of the Daschle Abortion Bill 1997
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 02:28 PM by madfloridian
Here is NOW's response and alarm about an anti-abortion bill he tried to get passed in 1997. I had not been aware of this, but the current climate in our country makes it pertinent. Father Pavone and others are planning on ramping up their opposition, so we need to know these things.

NOW leaders denounce Daschle Abortion Bill which does not protect women's lives or health

NOW Executive Vice President Kim Gandy said today that abortion ban legislation prepared by Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., is a politically expedient compromise that seriously imperils women's lives and health and expands government intrusion into private medical matters.

"We believe the Daschle approach is unconstitutional, as is the Republican ban that denies a woman the right to an abortion to preserve her health -- a right that Roe v. Wade and other cases have consistently protected," Gandy said.

"Daschle's so-called compromise bill, as quoted in the New York Times, permits an exception to the ban for `a severely debilitating disease or impairment specifically caused by the pregnancy (emphasis added),' but makes no provision for a pre-existing, life- and health-threatening `debilitating disease or impairment' that is being exacerbated by the pregnancy. This could include kidney disease, severe hypertension and some cancers. Nor does the Daschle bill allow for an abortion in cases of severe fetal abnormality where it is unlikely the fetus would live long outside the womb, even with technological support.

"The physician certification requirement and the potential loss of a medical license in the Daschle language invites government scrutiny of private medical matters and threatens doctor-patient confidentiality.
The intent of this and other abortion ban bills is to control women and to limit their ability to make critical reproductive decisions that affect their families, their health and their lives. These bills represent the ultimate in Congressional arrogance," Gandy charged.


The bill apparently was endorsed by President Clinton, according to this NPR newscast in 1997.

Online News Hour..Late Term Abortion

SENATOR SPENCER ABRAHAM, (R) Michigan: We should be able to end this process, and we should be able to end it in the context of this legislation, which provides, I think, protections for the life of the mother in sufficient fashion to meet whatever standards society might demand.

KWAME HOLMAN: A Democratic amendment was briefly considered and rejected, giving way to the major alternative of the abortion debate. The bill by Minority Leader Tom Daschle has attracted support of Republicans and yesterday the endorsement of President Clinton.

SENATOR TOM DASCHLE, Minority Leader: That is really the fundamental difference between the two pending bills. We ban abortion; they ban a procedure. They allow all the other abortive procedures available--dilation and evacuation, induction, hysterotomies, hysterectomies--those are still legally available. What we ban are all of those procedures--all of them.

KWAME HOLMAN: The Daschle alternative would outlaw any abortion after a fetus can survive outside the womb, generally after six months. Such abortions would be legal only if the pregnancy threatened the woman's life or poses risk of grievous injury. Most Republicans, however, argue the Daschle ban amounts to no abortion ban at all.


I am not aware of his present views. I did a search and it appears he is considered okay on the subject. CPC Watcher points out that he will have great power over the rights of women. He has a 50% rating from NARAL even after that 1997 bill. Maybe he's changed his views a lot.

Tom Daschle, Obama's pick for HHS

About CPC Watch

CPC Watch operates on one simple principle: how can we claim that women are "free to choose" their reproductive destinies when fake clinics are pushing false information to tens of thousands of women all over the country?

Presidential-Elect Barack Obama has chosen former South Dakota Senator Tom Daschle to replace Leavitt this January. As "Health Czar," Daschle will be in charge of orchestrating Obama's healthcare plan.

He will also be able to regulate things like reproductive health, family planning, and of course, restrictions on abortion. Though commonly praised for his visions on healthcare reform, Daschle is hardly a champion of reproductive justice. Daschle voted yes on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act that gives human rights to fetuses and the medically-unsound "Partial Birth Abortion" ban. He holds a 50% rating from NARAL. DNS Chairman Howard Dean, doctor and healthcare reformer, was also on the short-list for HHS secretary and holds a proud 100% NARAL rating.

It's difficult to say these things without being accused of being "too picky." After all, coming from eight painful years under Bush and his anti-choice, anti-woman cabinet, Daschle might seem a fine replacement to some. He's certainly no Leavittt, and is a supporter of Roe. But in these times of economic disparity, massive unemployment, bunk sex education, and patriarchal control, we must ask clearly, is Roe enough? Is simply accepting abortion rights within the first trimester with absolutely no guarantee to access and affordability all we're going to ask of those who have sworn to represent us and protect our rights?


We need to be aware.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:23 PM
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1. I am aware.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:25 PM
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3. I wasn't aware of it until today.
It surprised me.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:24 PM
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2. He is also a Distinguished Senior Fellow
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 02:25 PM by ben_meyers
at the Center for American Progress. This is most likely a little payback to George Soros, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:18 PM
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9. CAP is playing a huge role.
Nothing wrong with that.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:29 PM
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4. K&R
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:31 PM
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5. I wanted Howard Dean!
I think Daschle is the wrong choice for this position.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:33 PM
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6. It was a rear-guard action
I don't think you have to worry about legislation limiting choice in the near term.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:36 PM
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7. Explain.
Because to me it was anti-woman, and we women are not supposed to be political footballs.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 03:02 AM
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31. it's the Daschle way
notice that he was minority leader. Republicans had a piece of legislation they were gonna ram through with their majority - a (sc) partial-birth abortion ban. They and the RWNM would make hay with this bill to batter President Clinton as well as all Democrats in the 1998 elections. Daschle, as Senate minority leader, offered a slightly more palatable alternative as a way to supposedly blunt their attacks.

I cannot find the quote from Krugman, but he wrote in 2003 or so, that if Republicans proposed cutting off Daschle's right arm, that Daschle would get on TV and smile and agree that his arm needs to come off, but in a Democratic way and he would then work out a compromise in the Senate to remove his arm from the elbow, and Republicans would privately laugh and brag that they were going after the whole arm in the conference committee.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:14 PM
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35. Wow...
I find that scary. I remember him from the 90s, but I was not paying attention to all the compromises.

Thanks for the Krugman info. Interesting.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:31 PM
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36. RWNM =? Right wing national media
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 03:03 PM
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37. close enough - Right Wing Noise Machine - UNA
Use No Abbreviations
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:39 PM
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8. I was not aware, but now I wonder WTF is it with people from South Dakota!? n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:09 PM
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10. Found this fairly recent video clip....he doesn't want women put in jail
for having an abortion.

Now that's a good thing. :eyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbUpRhfO6nM
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:16 PM
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11. Christ, I must have been asleep in '97 --
I was completely unaware of that particular bill. :( We'll have to watch him like a hawk.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:19 PM
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12. I did not know of it either, and Bill Clinton endorsed it, per PBS
I guess I was not really paying attention. I should have been.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:39 PM
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13. Once Clinton/Gore got elected...
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 04:40 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
I sat back and relaxed a bit -- silly me. I won't be making that mistake again. :hi:
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:42 PM
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14. Thanks for the heads-up on this.
There's got to be someone out there better than Daschle. Howard Dean???
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 05:33 PM
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15. Daschle has already been announced.
I just think we should not forget what he tried to do about 10 years ago.

At least he doesn't think a woman should be jailed.

I don't want our Democrats doing these things. It is just wrong.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:15 PM
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19. Argh. I agree. nt
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:39 PM
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16. Hello, why do you think we called him pink tutu Daschle
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:50 PM
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17. Spencer Abraham, Now THERE'S a Blast From the Past
Wonder what happened to him? Hope it was permanent.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:05 PM
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18. Did you notice the conversation between two?
It amounted to "our side is banning abortion better than your side."

How sad.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:15 PM
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20. I mentioned Father Pavone. Here are his plans.
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:16 PM
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21. Daschle will be head of the HHS, not president. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:25 PM
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22. That's a little obvious for you to say. A little condescending.
Don't you think we should examine his stances at all. There's a great post at Open Left...about the evolution of everything the last couple of days.

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10037

Most 2007: Lieberman sucks but at least he votes with us sometimes.
Dec., 2007: I can’t believe he’s endorsing McCain. Loser.

July, 2008: If he speaks at the RNC then he’s OUT!

Sep.,2008: Traitor! I can’t stand the sight of his smirky little face.

Nov., 2008: He must lose his committee chairmanship.

(Obama intercedes)

Today: You guys are a bunch of babies for whining about Lieberman so much


It goes for other topics as well.


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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:29 PM
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23. It's not condescending.
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 07:32 PM by Barack08
People make mistakes. Daschle will have very little input into Barack's abortion policy. He will be head of the HHS. And it is a terrific fit for him.

Thanks for reminding everybody, though. It always helps to stay informed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:35 PM
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24. There are I think 31 anti-choice Dems in the House now.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

That's a lot of Democrats. Yes, it helps to stay informed.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:52 PM
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26. "Dems"
I don't believe that any body that is against a woman's right to choose what is best for her is not a Democrat.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:48 PM
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25. "It goes for other topics as well." - Yes indeed. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:13 PM
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28. Yes, it does for other topics.
It's hard to have a good discussion here without someone saying we are not loyal.
What the HHS secretary believes about women's rights is vital.

:hi:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:36 PM
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27. Is there a single cabinet pick that you do like
maybe one?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:53 AM
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29. Just for comparison...Dean's views on the abortion issue.
It's really quite a shock to see the difference.

From my notes, no link.

Individual freedom should apply to abortion decision
I believe that the issue of abortion is a medical rather than a political
decision. I don't see how a government regulation that tells doctors how to
practice medicine can be supported. Republicans claim that they are the
party of individual freedom, but they are the first to tell other people how
to live their lives.
Source: Winning Back America, by Howard Dean, p.142-3 Dec 3, 2003


Q: Where do you stand on the partial birth abortion ban?
A: In the four years between 1996 & 2000 there were no late term abortions
performed in my state. Late term abortions are very rare and should never be
used except to save the life or health of the mother. I just don't think the
government ought to be making personal medical decisions for Americans. No
respectable physician would ever do a late term abortion except for the most
serious reasons. That is why I did not support the President's bill
Source: Concord Monitor / WashingtonPost.com on-line Q&A Nov 6, 2003


Q: Will you rollback Bush's restrictions on stem cell research?
A: Yes. The president's anti-science bias should not be permitted to deprive
Americans with Parkinson's, diabetes, and other treatable diseases of the
help that they need.
Source: Concord Monitor / WashingtonPost.com on-line Q&A Nov 6, 2003

As a physician, I do not like the idea that Congress or the President think
they should practice medicine. Abortion is a deeply personal decision which
ought to be made between the patient, the family and physician. It's none of
the government's business.
Source: Campaign web site, DeanForAmerica.com, "On the Issues" Nov 30, 2002


The notion of "partial birth abortion" is nonsense. This is a rare procedure
used only to save the life or health of the mother. We have had no third
trimester abortions in Vermont in the past four years.
Source: Campaign web site, DeanForAmerica.com, "On the Issues" Nov 30, 2002

Most of these quotes are from a book...Citizen's Guide, written by mostly
reporters and folks who watched his VT politics.

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ksimons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 02:39 AM
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30. AWARE is definitely the key word - knowing is half the battle!
thanks for posting this
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:27 AM
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32. It shows his lack of respect for women's rights....
Did you see the video I posted above...that he at least doesn't think women who have an abortion should go to jail? Isn't that nice?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:49 AM
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33. I'm pretty sure you could find unsavory compromises in the career of every minority-party Senator.
Being HHS sec is a slightly different situation than being Senate minority leader. But, given your infatuation with Howard Dean and obsessive need to believe that Dean is being wronged...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:32 PM
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34. There you are...saying the same thing. Over and over.
While not acknowledging what Daschle tried to get passed in 1997

Not surprised.
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