With the economy in the shitcan, do you feel guilty now, for attacking poor people on welfare?

[Breeze54]

:shrug:

Not that you did but I wonder if those that have been effected by 'Bush's economy'; are now applying
for Food Stamps and State Health Care and standing in line at the Unemployment Office? Do you wonder too?

[babylonsister]

1. I never attacked anyone, but I do have 3 family members out of work

in the past three weeks, and that's just me. Not lookin' good...

[Breeze54]

2. I know you didn't. I said that I didn't accuse anyone here but

I'm sorry to hear about your family members. My two oldest sons got laid off on the 8th.

:hug:

[rocktivity]

3. It's the RICH people on welfare

that are causing all the trouble.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Breeze54]

6. LOL ! Those damn 'welfare Kings and Queens' from middle America!

:P

"Get a fucking job!1!"

[fascisthunter]

4. Ironic, Isn't It? The FIrst Depression brought on by Republicans...

forced FDR to socialize much of this country to get it back on it's feet again. It worked, and these bastards want us to move away from socialism altogether. Socialism in a mixed economy is no the problem.

The problem is greed, and how the greedy tend to bend rules in their favor or deregulate, so they can pilfer everyone. They deregulated the system so they could steal... and boy did they ever.

[Breeze54]

7. I think it's called 'rape and pillage' .... in the "War on the Middle Class"

They sure are 'raping and pillaging', aren't they? :grr:

[fascisthunter]

12. Yep... and Guess Who Will Have to Repay What They Raped and Pillaged?

Lowerclass republicans who vote for this are really blind and stupid. Because, they'll be paying for it too...

(and they're concerned about their taxes being raised... HA!)

[Breeze54]

15. and all our children and grand children... it's so sad.

:(

[fascisthunter]

18. we are all indentured tax servants to the Rich

just like it was when we had another King George...

[Breeze54]

21. That sounds sooo depressing.....

:(

I think I'll have some more cheese and crackers and make a cocktail. :toast:

[fascisthunter]

22. you are right...

I'll smoke something special tonight... I can't drink. :smoke:

[Breeze54]

24. Enjoy!

It's now almost legal here, where I live! :P

To bad I stopped smoking 'that shit' :rofl: years ago!

[liberalmuse]

5. The only welfare recipients I've ever attacked...

are the rich corporations feeding off of the public trough. I'm sure it's a whole new story when a Republican is getting unemployment or foodstamps. :eyes:

[Breeze54]

9. Exactly.. the repukes are the first in line!! - It's amazing!!

:hi:

[sandnsea]

8. Joe the Plumber had no problem doing it

and I guarantee you that many of the people who will have to apply will blame the poor people who lied to buy houses they couldn't afford, even as they were on food stamps at the time. :crazy:

[Breeze54]

10. Of course they'll blame the poor. What else is new and F Sam the unlicensed "plumber".

:eyes:

[Edweird]

11. I never attacked anyone. I've been hungry. I've been homeless. You do what you gotta do.

Life is hard when you're alone.

[Breeze54]

13. I prefaced my comment with, "Not that you did" but I didn't think you did.

Life is hard when one is all alone. I agree.

Been there, done that and it's scary.

I don't know what I'd have done if my son

had decided to get his own apartment.

But you have us!! :hug:

[sofa king]

14. My guess is those people do not feel guilty.

My evidence is one Jim David Adkisson, a down on his luck truck driver from Knoxville, Tennessee. When Adkisson's food stamps ran out, he left his copies of Sean Hannity's, Michael Savage's, and Bill O'Reilly's books at home and shot up a church that dared to welcome gays.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

The media tried hard to skip over both the food stamps and the books. As far as I can tell (an I looked pretty hard), only one newspaper mentioned both things in the same article.

The kind of folks you're talking about have a documented inability to find fault in themselves or the leaders they follow. They don't understand or use logic, and are therefore unaware of their own hypocrisy and contradictory beliefs. They're programmed by their talk radio and Fox News, and so they are still to this day unaware of the full extent of how screwed they are. As a result, they'll be among the hardest hit, and more of them will take their frustrations out on their fantasy-football enemies, like homosexuals and people of color.

[Breeze54]

16. I forgot about him. Great post! - You make a lot of sense.

:hi:

[rucky]

17. Of course they don't.

They're entitled to it, not like those other people.

[Breeze54]

19. "They're entitled to it, not like those other people." - LOL! .. Well said!

:D

[zehnkatzen]

20. I'd sooner register Republican than criticize a welfare recipient

But, then again, I'd have to be Republican to be that insensitive, wouldn't I.

I have, by myself and my family, taken government cheese (quite tasty, actually), been on food stamps, been on Section 8, and been on welfare. Right now I'm employed at a hourly wage job that doesn't quite pay enough to keep our noses above water most of the time, but it IS a union job and because of that I have seniority and great beneifits.

So as far as that goes, I'm set ... at least as long as my company doesn't go under. You never can tell about these things.

I don't want to be on welfare or food stamps again not because I'm ashamed to do it (why should I? Why should I be ashamed to ask for the help that my tax dollars have provided for me in times of stress? Why is it only okay for rich people to get gratis help?) but because the way Welfare is set up in the USA, it programs you to limit your options and to stop trying. You'll get just enough to eke out on and if you do anything to improve your situation all you'll get out of it is your assistance taken away before you have enough to really come off welfare, therefore falling into the hole again.

Also while there are a lot of good people working in public assistance there are enough who are also working low-paying jobs full of stress and unsmiling faces that they'll just want you to shut up, be good, and move along.

You can go on welfare in America, if you're willing to surrender your dignity. You are usually given no choice. Your dignity for survival. It doesn't matter who you are or how hard you've worked or how strong you are. I've seen towers of strength go on public assistance just to get worn down to a nub if the situation doesn't change.

And in America, hard work and honesty sometimes never made you anything more than a chump, so sometimes, no matter how hard you try, you just can't change your circumstances.

[Breeze54]

23. I agree with almost all that you wrote except this...

"it programs you to limit your options and to stop trying"

That I don't agree with. I think the majority of those needing assistance do want to make their lives better and I wasn't ashamed at all when my kids were little to ask for help. I worked for years before that and like you, had paid into the system. It was my duty to make sure they were OK, even if the state didn't do a F'n thing to collect the child support they were owed and their father was ordered to pay. I didn't feel guilty at all but I was pissed off that the state was complicit in allowing him to abscond on his responsibilities and the court order. Now that pissed me off!!

[sandnsea]

25. No, the problem is not demanding a living wage

The corporations have set the system up so that half the workers require govt assistance to make ends meet. It has absolutely nothing to do with "limiting options" or "trying". The corporations want it that way to reduce their labor costs. Then they turn right around and fill the publics' head with ridiculous ideas about minimum wage reducing jobs and the fattest poor people in the world. They make you feel guilty for using the system that actually supports the corporate bottom line far more than it supports the person using it.

Workers have more right to the money than shareholders do. That's the only answer.