Does not the opposition to birth control equal and increase in abortion rates

[Peacetrain]

Why does not the hierarchy in the Catholic Church address this?

I am not attacking the Catholic Laity.. my husband is Catholic and the most honest compassionate caring human being I have ever met in my life.

But I am having problems understanding these cardinals, bishops etc who say they are going to go to war with our elected officials, and yet promote an increase in abortions by opposing birth control.


Am I missing something here..it seems to me, that the powers that be are pontificating out of both sides of their mouth.

[baldguy]

1. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNgotUM4gk8

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. That's not all they will not address....

Assuming the Catholic Church and evangelicals are against abortion, why don't they protest in front of in-vitro fertilization clinic? While old-fashioned abortion clinics generally "kills" only 1 fetus, in-vitro fertilization "kills" more than that. By their definition, pregnancy begins AT CONCEPTION, so in-vitro is a big-time sin. And yet they're all silent about that. Know why? 'Cause they're using in-vitro and they aren't really pro-life to begin with. This pro-life thing is just a hobby with them that they pretend to be passionate about, but is more like a football game or contest.

[Peacetrain]

4. That is such a good point!!! Are they refusing communion to those

parents of children born through in-vitro?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. Thanks and no, because in-vitro is VERY common, and they don't want to lose congregants -

They will never refuse them communion.

And yet according to Catholic and all pro-life evangelical churches' concept of abortion, in-vitro is literally MASS ABORTION.

[WindRiverMan]

11. Yep, very good point

Excess embryo's created in fertility clinics are disposed of on a daily basis. Of all embryos created for IVF, 97% are doomed for destruction. About 3% are used in research, and rest are incenerated, tossed out in biohazard bags, or just left to whither on a petri-dish. Yet somehow, in these people's minds, the 3% used for research is a disgraceful waste of human life and a mortal sin, and we had to cheer Bush for outlawing stem cell research, but tossing the rest in the garbage is okay. More B.S., if it's bad, go to the clinics and chastize them for creating the excess embryos in the first place, don't pick on research and ignore the rest. It's a fool's position, but they embrace it because they know calling for a ban on IVF would be just about the end of their existance.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. Thanks for the explanation! And yes, they're hypocritical about it. I always...

...use the in-vitro argument against them and they try to change the subject. When you insist on discussing the subject they say that, well, yeah, they are against in-vitro. When you ask them WHY they protest before old-fashioned abortion clinics and not before in-vitro fertlization clinics, they get very very angry and stop the conversation altogether. Prolifers are the biggest hypocrites imaginable!

[Peacetrain]

13. My husband and I were talking about this, this morning..

I told him the thread I had posted, and then your take on in vitro.. which to be honest I had never thought about.. and his his reply, is it is a hypocrisy that they refuse to address..

The fact they are so adamant against birth control , which prevents fertilization, and that they are mute on the destruction of fertilized embryos.. shows they are being more political than religious.

That is a take from the Catholic side of the family :hi:

[WindRiverMan]

9. Actually, I think there is even a bigger question

How can they support Bush and his strong trade policies with China, his selling of government treasuries to China to finance the Iraq War and still keep his tax cuts, purposely imposing a weak dollar policy to help trade with China, and not boycotting the Olympics when.....


China is currently in the midst of a 29 year gendercide on females due to Bejing's one child policy. Over fifty million baby girls born to Chinese women are no longer around. They have "disappeared". Death rooms where infant girls were starved and frozen to death existed, and it was not uncommon to find baby girls dead in the gutters in major cities. Plus, over 1/3 of all baby girls are aborted, the orphanages are full of baby girls, and on and on.....


You cannot lay claim to a culture of life and finance China. It's like saying you are a strong supporters of the Jewish people while financing Nazi Germany.

BTW, I posed this very scenario to a priest. He had no answer.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. Well, to be fair, they're doing what they do within their geographical area....

But even in their geographical area, they're a buncha hypocritical @-holes.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. What you are missing is this:

They really don't give a care about "life"--they are into power and control.

[elleng]

5. George Washington said:

"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."

[Peacetrain]

6. Good points by Washington..

religion and politics do not mix

[sjdnb]

7. As an ex-Catholic who went through a lot of shit to get into this cult

let me say after breaking free ... I will never take another thing they say seriously - nor, do I care whether or not they approve of my personal decisions.

This is an old man's club who protects pedophiles and hordes wealth -- not exactly what Jesus would do.