Have you noticed that we, America, are the sole source of "globalization"?

[Greyhound]

"Free trade" only works one way, except where the peons are concerned, we all get screwed. Every nation has tariffs, except us. We finance the export of jobs and the means of production but can't sell into their markets.

We financed and built the "Chinese Miracle", India gets our nuclear tech, we get mangoes, we finance and fight the war, oil companies get the pipeline. The list goes on.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

[truedelphi]

1. The whole point of the "Supply Side" Theories of Economics

Was to paint this rosy picture that all that mattered was increasingly cheap goods for the American populace.

You can read pages of Friedman's friends and their bastardized theories - the words "jobs" and the word "tariffs" don't occur.

For some reason, the idiots that were our Founding Fathers thought that jobs created here at home were very important. ANd that tariffs were very important. They also knew that the two went hand in hand.

And all through the American political life of this nation, in every election, those words came up. Just until Ronald Reagan got in office.

Now using those words marks a person as being a simpleton.

[jwirr]

8. Industries built in excuse for outsourcing every manufacturing job

we had. I don't think they ever really believed that it was good for all of us - just to big guys.

[rucky]

9. Make more than you spend.

the hidden secret to wealth (macro and micro)

[closeupready]

2. Actually, we don't get India's mangoes - they consume all their own production.

Ours are from Mexico generally. ;)

[Greyhound]

7. But, but, that was Idiot Frat Boy's crowning trade agreement.

They got our tech, our jobs, our data, and our tax dollars and we get their mangoes.

[dmallind]

3. Uh?

We rank 42nd in imports ratio to GDP

We export more than any other country but Germany (yes that includes China)

http://www.nationmaster.com/cat/eco-economy&all=1

[Greyhound]

6. Right compare the US with a nation of 80 million that still manages to out-export

us and a nation that we built and is a 19th century dictatorship with a billion slaves.

But I'm sure we've just hallucinated the destruction of our nation over the last 30 years.:eyes:

[dmallind]

20. No - that comparison is to ALL countries

and is certainly not my own work

[Greyhound]

23. You're the one that pointed out Germany and China. Of course we are not the worst,

and we still have the capability and capacity to out-do every other nation in damn near every endeavor.

We have been sold the fantasy that we can have an economy based on nothing but paper, promises, and debt. An economy has to be based on making something. Remember when "made in America" was the gold standard of quality and innovation?

Do we have to go over every nation one by one, or can we just acknowledge that we have instigated and financed this race to the bottom with the sacrifice of our own population and the destruction of other peoples on the alter of global corporate domination?

[dmallind]

25. Well dy'a think that might have been because

We're number 2 and they are number 1 and 3? Isn't that sort of normal when giving a place in a long list to add context by putting the ones above and below. I suppose I could have said "and Burkina Faso is 1XXth" but there wouldn't have been much relevance to the original claim.

[Greyhound]

26. Apparently not. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. We've gone from a creditor nation to a debtor nation. Happened in 1988.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/creditor_nation.asp

[dmallind]

21. Surely - but that was not the OP's contention.

The idea that the US is merely a consumer or especially dependent on imports is just false. We have an economy that is pretty typical for a wealthy industrialized democracy, just bigger than most of them.

[YOY]

4. But it's all the "American Workers' Fault"tm

:sarcasm:

[Taverner]

5. Our version of Globalization sucks

No protections for workers, no environmental protections

Globalization doesn't HAVE to be bad

[pampango]

10. Why do you think that every nation has tariffs, except us?

Every country that belongs to the WTO/GATT has agreed to the same rules regarding tariff or no tariffs. Does the EU, Japan, Australia has tariffs that we do not have? Did we somehow agree to this when we signed the most recent round in 1993 or are you claiming that they are violating these trading rules and we are not doing anything about it?

[Cleita]

11. When Europe was in ruins after WWII they looked to us as an example of

what they could achieve. We provided them with a Marshall Plan to help them achieve their goals. Today, I think we need to look to Europe to fix our problems as they are way ahead of us in progress.

[Diclotican]

12. Cleita

Cleita

That should be intesting to se how some of the right wingers in the US would say then.. If US was to look back into Europe to fix your current problems... They claim us to be on the loosers side of the history, and that our welfare and economical system would collapse over time, just becouse we do not do as THEY do..

If it turn out to be a good move, I know some who would turn in their beds just thinking about it...

But it would be verry funny to se if our system in Europe in fact was making a comeback into the US.. You know universal health care and the lot...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[Greyhound]

15. Or even us 50 years ago. Or even 75 years ago. FDR's never finished

"Second Bill of Rights" would have precluded all of this. If Americans had refused to allow their children to be dumbed down.

We are no longer even aware of our recent history, let alone our origins. We have elementary school teachers that don't know who Betsy Ross was or anything she did. Critical thinking and logic are lost, leaving us at the mercy of any huckster that comes along and tells them a good story and makes them feel good about being ignorant.

All of our problems can be solved and the ideas and plans already exist, they are just not offered or even allowed into the conversation. Everything we need already exists, but people are not allowed to know about it, because it will cut into the power and/or wealth of the people that matter.

[MrScorpio]

13. I've seen Japanese cars for the German car market

Others are trying

[Donald Ian Rankin]

16. What is your source for the claim that America's tariff barriers are exceptionally low?

I'm not an expert, but it sounds highly suspect to me. It's also worth noting that America subsidises some of its industries a lot more than many other countries do.

[Greyhound]

19. If you had any desire to know you'd find hundreds of sources in less than a second on Google,

but we all know what you do and what your agenda is, so why waste the time?

"The only way to win the game is not to play" - W.O.P.R.

[pampango]

28. The poster wouldn't find any sources, because our tariffs are set by

the WTO/GATT that we signed onto along with practically every other country in the world. Our tariffs are the same as other developed countries. (The developed countries agreed in the most recent round in 1993 that developing countries would be allowed more protection than developed countries got.)

[OhioChick]

17. Well Said!

K&R

:kick:

[Romulox]

18. If the Big 3 are allowed to die, I will go out of my way to not buy US made goods (or services)

Except maybe Rickenbacker guitars. Everybody else can go to hell. :hi:

[Greyhound]

22. I think the industry needs to be saved and manufacturing brought back. The poisoned pill

is management, those are the assholes that made the decisions that killed their companies and whole industries while they walked away with billions.

We can, not only compete but, kick their asses except for the hereditary management that treats the workers like shit, stifles all innovation, and colludes to eliminate any real choices.

Just look at the Tucker, he built a car that was light years beyond what Detroit offered and instead of making their cars better, they conspired to ruin him while we were left with dangerous, unreliable crap that took 40 years and several acts of Congress to equal.

They did the same thing in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s, but now, we're assured, that has all changed. The very people that are now crying over their impending fate are the one's that sent the same motherfuckers back to DC, decade after decade, to block every attempt to fix the industry.

Don't even get me started on the dealership model.

We can fix this, everything we need exists, we just have to take back our power.

[OxQQme]

24. Chamber of Commerce

http://www.wto.org/

[EFerrari]

27. Last week I heard a journalist say that globalization is the engine

for Islamic "jihad" much more than anything else. The dislocation is literally driving people violently nuts.

[Greyhound]

29. There is certainly a similarity in time lines, isn't there?

It is worrisome that, in spite of what we see happening all around the world, we are consistently told that it is just not so.

I'm convinced that Jefferson was right on the mark in regards to international relationships, but that ship sailed long ago.

How loud do you think they'll squeal when the violence of desperation comes here?

[EFerrari]

30. Imho, it's started already. Palin's klan rallies were just a focal point.

It will be called, and is in part, racism, but we're off to the races as far as I can tell. :(