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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:21 PM
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in August-- 4 mos ago-- I paid $4.70 for a gallon of unleaded reg gasoline....
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 07:22 PM by mike_c
...in my norcal neighborhood. Today I filled my tank at $1.99/gal. There is no way that demand for gas has dropped by a similar amount-- that would be somewhere close to a 2/3 reduction in demand. I honestly doubt that U.S. demand has dropped much at all, although I'm sure that the growth in demand has declined in response to high prices. Nor has production outstripped demand by enough to account for such a dramatic price decline.

This is NOT the ebb and flow of supply and demand in action. I'm convinced that prices were artificially inflated in order to pump the maximum amount of wealth out of working people before the economic crash ended the party.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:23 PM
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1. Speculation Bubbles
The exact same thing that drove the mortgage writing industry and real estate bubble.

Speculation.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:24 PM
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2. yup....
Bingo!

Unregulated capitalism at its finest.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:36 PM
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16. And they pay 15% taxes, while working people
pay 28% and 35% and more if you include state and local. And dumb motherfucking JOE THE PLUMBERS worry about raising taxes on the rich.

:argh:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:24 PM
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3. You are right....There were many who cashed in on the high prices.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:31 PM
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13. every dollar of oil company profit for the past 8 years should be seized
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:19 PM
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18. Time for some windfall taxes!!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:24 PM
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4. Here's part of the reason


The other part is that hurricane season is now over and they budget for less spot market gas in the winter than they do in the summer.

However, some of the summer pricing was obvious gouging.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:28 PM
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9. I understand that there are legitimate reasons for seasonal variation...
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 07:28 PM by mike_c
...in price, including increased summer demand for gasoline that at least partly shifts to demand for heating oil in winter, but unless those factors were off the scale this year it's hard to account for such remarkably high variation without invoking additional driving variables. I think price gouging is exactly what happened. We were fleeced.
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:25 PM
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5. Futures trading depended on continued high demand and low supply, when the economy tanked, so did...
the Futures market. That's the simple explanation.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:28 PM
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8. yarp
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:26 PM
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6. How can we justify so much for home land security, military,
NSA, CIA, and other expenses to protect America if we cannot be protected from price gouging at the pumps and other types of consumer fraud?
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:27 PM
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7. FYI

A few weeks ago, a barrel of oil topped out at around $147 a barrel. When I checked a day or so ago, oil had dropped below $50 a barrel. That's a 2/3 drop in price......
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:31 PM
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14. well of course....
But that simply shifts the question from the price at the pump to the price in the commodities market. Either way, it's being driven by factors that are WAY more influential than simple supply and demand, IMO. The primary resource that's being pumped is working peoples' wallets.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:28 PM
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10. the price of everything went up
because of gas. are those prices going to come back down? i doubt it.
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:29 PM
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11. Spec bubble collapse and the economy grinding to a halt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:31 PM
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12. Yes.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:34 PM
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15. Welcome to "Free Enterprise." Translation: "Bend Over And Spread 'em."
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:38 PM
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17. Beer's still up.
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