Air America is essentially gone ... what's left of liberal radio---???

[defendandprotect]

Schultz was pushing an auto bail out very aggresively the other day --

permitting no "but's" about it but was forced to back down 2nd day --

Coomsby is a right-wing nut ...

No prfetense anymore ....

[Idealism]

1. I like Hartmann, hes very intelligent

Stephanie Miller makes me laugh in the morning, but I only listen to her on the way to school. Randi Rhodes isn't bad but by 3pm I am so inundated with breaking news, the things she talks about are old to me.

[baldguy]

2. Randi, Stephie, Mike, Rachel?

[tridim]

3. I think only Rachel is on AAR. The rest are on NovaM.

[baldguy]

5. Liberal radio has never been limited to AAR.

[bunkerbuster1]

35. Right. Heck, Ed Schulz was never actually AAR, himelf

which made the OP rather odd.

AAR was, and is, the best-known public entity. Since they are perpetually underfunded and incapable of making a commercial splash comparable to their high-powered conservo rivals you sort of have to seek them out, but their broadcast lineup is plenty solid today.

Obviously Rachel Maddow's their best-known personality (and I hope she keeps her show on AAR, although I'm sure she's hearing offers from others to jump when her contract's up) but following her is Ron Reagan, who does a terrific job.

And anyone missing out on Thom Hartmann's noon-3 slot (Al Franken's old territory) simply isn't paying attention to liberal radio.

[defendandprotect]

7. I'm usually out in afternoon and miss Randi---!!!!

She's brilliant and hate to miss her ---

[davidinalameda]

4. maybe if Air America didn't bow down to the hill campaign

during the primary and didn't fire Randi Rhodes, then maybe they'd be doing a bit better

I lost all respect for AA after that

my local radio station runs both AA and NovaM (or whatever its' called) so I get both

[fadedrose]

45. David Shuster got in trouble over the hill, but

msnbc backed him up and he's on a roll now.

[chrisclub]

6. Thom Hartmann is terrific! n/t

[JDPriestly]

10. Thom Hartmann is the absolute best. No one can match him.

He is head and shoulders above the rest. He really knows what he is talking about.

Actually, I like Ed Schultz. Stephanie is fun Randi Rhodes is passionate. I also like Mike Malloy.

But I was terribly disappointed because this afternoon KTLK in L.A. broadcast a football game. We have one station for liberal radio (other than listener funded radio which is very mixed in quality) and PBS which is non-stop pablum as far as I am concerned, and they do all these paid ads on the weekends and sports for money. They need a sales rep in their ad department who understands the community that listens to their station and will raise advertising revenue for them so that they don't have to broadcast programs that their core listeners do not want to hear.

[Touchdown]

26. His Sylvio Berlusconi crap needs to stop. It's boring.

Who cares about that guy. We need another day of Bernie Sanders! Friday isn't enough!

[DonCoquixote]

8. Community Radio

Community Radio is done by the listeners, and is usually far to the left. In my own Tampa, there is WMNF (88.5 fm) Also look up WFMU (Hoboken) and WWOZ (New orleans) all of whom have net pages and streaming audio.

[HooptieWagon]

52. WMNF is great...

I'm a loyal listener, I got several friends there.

[backscatter712]

9. Most of the cool kids moved to Nova M

And most of the progressive talk stations across the country have at least picked up Randi on Nova M, probably picked up Mike Malloy, but they also pick up Thom Hartmann and Rachel Maddow on AAR.

[Canuckistanian]

11. All the action is at NovaM

Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy....

I used to like Jeff Farias on KPHX in Phoenix, but they canned him.

Oh, and Steph in the mornings - although I don't think she's with NovaM.

[Edweird]

20. I think Stephanie Miller is on the 'Jones' network..

At least that's what I recall...

[Frank Cannon]

21. She is, as is Ed Schultz.

Some Air America affiliates play them instead of the usual AA fair because they get decent ratings.

[defendandprotect]

29. Many people listen to radio talk in car ...liberals are disconnected now ...

Air America is also broken up a lot with static in my area --

Hard to listen to at times even if I wanted to hear one of the all-male

daytime crew ---

[eleny]

12. Peter Werbe Sunday nights 11 PM Eastern Time on WRIF

http://www.wrif.com/listenlive/

[Hippo_Tron]

13. Radio is a largely outdated medium of communication

Liberals don't need radio because we have are light years ahead of conservatives in our ability to use the Internet. Let the right wingers have radio. The longer they take to wean themselves off of it, the more elections they will lose.

[DonCoquixote]

14. er..

We really do not want to "give" them anything, especially since Radio has been effective in swaying minds since the outset. Admittedly, the fascists have an advantage: Marconi himself used it to help Mussolini win. But we can also use it to summon forth the Garrison Keliors that will do as much as ten internet pages would.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. It helped Mussolini win in the 1920's

When there was no television and there was no internet. But it's not the 1920's anymore, it's 2008 and radio is simply not the predominant way of reaching voters anymore and has not been for quite some time. Internet is the future, television is the present, and radio is the past. Lets let the Republicans live in the past while we move forward.

[ConsAreLiars]

16. Uhh, maybe you missed it, but there is audio and video streaming of Air America on the internet.

as well as much other stuff. If you think Air America and all the rest are purely "radio" you need a reality check. You are posing a phony dichotomy, and if you don't realize it, well, that's almost as sad as if you do.

[DonCoquixote]

17. Yes.however

Some want to abandon radio entirely. My response is, if we leave it entirely to the GOP, we are giving them a free space to thrive in. Why give them that luxury?

[ConsAreLiars]

18. Quite right.

Fight on every front using whatever means available.

Few may know it, but the Obama victory was won by never conceding any one medium while launching offensives in media that the opposition never even thought about. Not only Facebook and such. He even leased a channel on Dish Network and ran ads on CNN and the rest with a "click-for-more-info" link to that channel that brought some (who knows how many or few) to view his message, bio and so on.

There is a tendency among some armchair or couch generals to claim that their uninformed opinion that one arena is best also means that they should argue that all others suck and should be abandoned. Delusional -- in the kindest interpretation.

[defendandprotect]

30. The point is..can you listen in your car...???? Without special equipment--??

I listen to NOVA at home --

For much of afternoon, I ca't listen to NOVA.

Big disconnect for most people ---


And do you come home at night and try to catch up with replays from earlier in the day--??

Whom has time foir that -- EXCEPT to catch up with an Amy Goodman program--!!!

[Beaverhausen]

54. depends on where you live - if your city has a local progressive talk station

I'm in Los Angeles and we have KTLK so we can listen in the car.

[Hippo_Tron]

40. Yes, which is the beauty of the internet

Anybody can create a streaming audio or video. Which is why I don't see the reason that everybody is so focused on broadcast radio.

[Touchdown]

44. So you think Obama wasted money on his TV infomercial?

You know the one, the Wednesday before the election, that everybody raved about? The one that ad better ratings than the final World Series game? It was on that outdated, ready for the cemetery Television.

Is anybody demanding money from you to invest in Liberal talk radio? If others wish to invest in it, then what's your problem? How is that a shirt off your back?

[Hippo_Tron]

46. Television is still the dominant medium

And in politics it doesn't matter how good you are with radio or internet it doesn't mean jack shit if you aren't good with television. So I'm not really saying the internet is the only thing but I am saying that it is the way of the future and broadcast radio is the way of the past.

I don't really have a problem with others investing in liberal talk radio but it's just something I don't understand. Maybe it's because I don't drive all that much and don't listen to radio frequently.

[Touchdown]

47. Well it is a for profit medium.

So as long as it's profitable for Hartmann, Rhodes et al. continue to make a living out of it, then you shouldn't try to put them out of work.

I'm just not getting your argument against it. It's as if you believe that it's all campaign funds paying for it, and that it's just a sink hole, as if we don't have enough diversity in the Democratic Party for people to use their talents and money where it best suits them. There's more than enough talent and money for everywhere, especially in a for profit medium like AM talk radio, that receives absolutely no campaign money.

[Touchdown]

27. The 1994 Gingrich" revolution was due to RW talk radio.

Those wins back then were mainly because of a constant drum of lies about Bill Clinton and cheerleading for the GOP that led to their takeover and our nation's destruction. That's a little later than the 1920s. Gingrich went so far as to make Rush Limbaugh an honorary Congress critter for his efforts.

Who knows how much credit 2006 & 2008 can be given to liberal radio, since it only became widespread in 2004, but I wouldn't dismiss it's impact.

It's another channel for our message. Besides, every one of these shows offers podcasts, and that's better than live streaming (no commercials, and no static from weak am signals).

[Hippo_Tron]

41. Again, that was 1994

The internet as a political tool did not really take off until Web 2.0 and Howard Dean (2003-2004). YouTube's emergence in 2006 was another big turning point. YouTube, as far as I'm concerned, had far more to do with our victories in 2006 and 2008 than liberal radio did. And not just because of things like the "Macaca" video although that was part of it. The internet allowed Obama to take his message directly to the people in a way that no other candidate had really done before. No filtering through talk radio or television pundits. You simply click a button on YouTube and hear Barack Obama speak. That is the way of the future for progressives.

The other thing that you have to realize is that Limbaugh is as much of a blessing as a curse over the GOP. Limbaugh hated McCain and wasn't going to drum up support among his minions to go volunteer for the campaign until McCain picked Palin. As a result McCain had a completely incompetent VP who turned off a large segment of the middle. If McCain had half of Obama's internet savvy he could've drummed up his own grassroots instead of having to pander to Limbaugh to do it for him.

Republicans have an organizing model where their foot soldiers come from Limbaugh and the Fundie Churches. In order to get those foot soldiers they have to pander to Limbaugh and those Fundie Churches. We just saw Barack Obama create a model where he amassed an even better army of foot soldiers by appealing directly to the people largely using the internet. Obama didn't have to pander to anybody to get his volunteers. So what I can't understand is why in god's name people are so gung ho about adopting the Republican model when Obama just showed us there is a much better way to do it.

[Touchdown]

43. You're an eggs in one basket kind of guy, aren't you?

That's fine, but if at least 3 people who happened to drop into this thread, in this website, on these two days, disagree with you, then how many more millions do as well? Now take that, and factor in those liberals and Democratic leaning people, and others who are open to our ideas, who use the internet for shopping, playing games and porn, and never think twice about talking, much less reading politics here on Web 2.0., who might not vote for somebody they never heard of, or donate money to them either. How are you going to reach them? 28% still FEAR Obama, because they haven't seen the You Tube ads, read DKos/Media Matters, or gone to Obama's fight the smears site, and STILL believe that he's a communist muslim who's the anti-christ.

Hint... Every one of them has a radio in their cars.

I'm not discounting what a powerful tool we're taking advantage of (the tubes), but to dismiss all avenues to get our message out, and that includes lowly am radio, is the equivalent of the DNC's pre- Howard Dean 50 state strategy, where we only focused on a few winnable states and big battlegrounds.

Saturation wins elections, not secret handshakes and memberships to You Tube. Nobody is "adopting" the Republican model of talk radio. Liberals started it with Alan Berg in Denver, who got assassinated in the early 80s before Limbaugh.

And... The You Tube videos, while effective, were nothing to the hundreds of thousands of us who knocked on millions of doors. Yeah, the net was great at getting volunteers, but so was the good old phone and flyer at the Safeway entrance.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

19. The Guy James Show

http://www.theguyjamesshow.com/

You can check out archived shows here:

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/James.html

:patriot:

[Kalyke]

22. There was liberal radio?

I live in Tennessee. It went MORE to the right this election. Why? No liberal radio. No moderate radio. Only right-wing radio.

If you can't afford satellite, you hear RusHanniBorvage and that's it.

[cobalt1999]

23. I don't think liberal radio will ever succeed.

Republicans get more into the "group think" and bloc voting thing more than liberals.

When conservatives state the "official position" on any of 100's of topics, other conservatives fall in line.

That's also why there is so much debate on this site, we all have our own opinions on each of 100's of issues AND we all want our say.

It's just not an attitude that is conducive to the one-way "here's my opinion" radio format.

[Jade Fox]

42. Exactly....

Liberals/progressives don't need talk radio the way dittohead types do. We don't need it as an organizing tool, and we don't need it to tell us what to think.

Personally, I never listen to progressive talk radio, tho it's available in my area. I don't have the time to listen, and I don't care for someone yammering in my ear when I'm trying to do other things. I know how to get information when I want it.

[marmar]

24. But most of the progressive talk hosts have supported the auto bailout.....

.... with significant strings attached, but they all supported it: Randi, Mike Malloy, Hartmann etc etc....

[defendandprotect]

33. Exactly ...so anyone under impression we have anything left of liberal radio ...

is wrong -- especially with Randi now gone to NOVA ...

[democracy1st]

55. thats because they see the manufacturing base going down the drain

[Touchdown]

25. The only ones left are Hartmann, Maddow and Ring of Fire

At least the only ones worth listening to. They fired Sam Seder, who was my favorite for that bridge troll Lionel (Buy me a Cinnabon to cross the bridge, Precious!).

Since Al Franken quit, it's gone downhill real quick. Milke Malloy was fired, Randi quit. Both of those went to NovaM, which Malloy co-founded. Hopefully NovaM will hire Seder and renew his show. They used to have him on as a fill in for vacation days.

[shireen]

37. why was Seder fired?

damn! I really like him!

[Raineyb]

53. His contract was up and they didn't renew

Oddly enough the AAR station in my area which is supposed to be the flagship station hardly plays any AAR content at all. It that's how they plan to make money it's no wonder they're not doing all that well.

Regards

[morillon]

28. We definitely need liberal/progressive talk shows on the public airwaves.

I've got XM, so I listen to Radio Left all the time, but that's not the same as publicly available.

[defendandprotect]

31. RIGHT ... You exactly "get" what I'm pointing out ...!!!

[itsrobert]

32. Schultz and Steph Miller have contracts with GM

GM spread the money around, not only do they buy time on right wing radio (Hannity) but they buy time and "star" endorsement from Schultz and Miller.

So, I'm not saying Miller and Schultz are bought and paid for, but they do get money from GM.

[defendandprotect]

49. Never heard Miller .. but anyone worthwhile is gone ---

Schultz and Coomsby working the right tricks -- Schultz more so since election --

Randi Rhodes became very dangerous to GOP and Dems as well when she stated --

just before she was "Swiftboated" out that AFTER we elected a new Dem regime

and got a few things straightened out that ....

WE HAD TO ALL WORK TO STRENGTHEN THIRD PARTIES AND GET IRV VOTING ---
\
That it was essential because only way we would get any control of this thing --

I was surprised she finally got that because she was very poorly informed

about Nader and went strongly with his scapegoating --

Randi is brilliant and the most well informed host I've ever listened to --

she can connect a few amazing dots, as well --

but she somehow missed Nader's true history ---

[bunkerbuster1]

34. AAR is essentially gone? Huh?

That's rather ridiculous, although it's certainly what right wing yahoos want people to believe.

[defendandprotect]

48. I'm a liberal -- and do you think Lionel and Coomsby are --???

Only Hartmann is left and he's never gotten anyone off the couch

to react to anything ---

[OwnedByFerrets]

50. You lost all credibility when you criticized Thom.

[defendandprotect]

51. BS ... Thom is a slow go and hardly a response to Rush ---

[OwnedByFerrets]

56. He also beats Limpballs in several key markets AND.....

I am so glad he isnt anything like Mr Oxycontin.

[riqster]

36. Fairness Doctrine nt

[Lydia Leftcoast]

38. Large cities may have alternative community radio stations

Portland has KBOO-FM, which offers left-wing talk from 7:30-9:00AM every weekday with a different host every day. When I lived there, I especially liked Joe Uris and Barbara Bernstein.

In Minneapolis, KFAI-FM is more oriented towards non-commercial music and ethnic programming, but it does have left-leaning talk scattered around the schedule, as well as Democracy Now.

[CatholicEdHead]

39. Big Eddie has his place to reach the moderates

and I am sure he did his work this past cycle. He moves far righters a bit more to the center and center people to left of center. He does a good job reaching out to the plains.

Otherwise I am spoiled with Minnesota Public Radio (KNOW 91.1) and usually have that on when I do not have my rock music station on (93X (KXXR FM) in Mpls/St Paul).